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[ninjadip]

I hope to have your problem.

I know he makes it look they are his bitch while I'm slapping mine on the ass and she could care less

 

[Observer]

Ah okay.

But is that what made them grow so huge?

Red leaning spectrum and DWC and smokes skills

For instance if he grew under straight blues they'd probably be shorter but fucking compact dense and stacked af, not that they aren't already nust spectrum/quality plays a huge role in demands and photomorphogenesis

 

[smoke]

First chance I've had to get pictures under normal lights. The room has 2 normal bulbs and 2 green bulbs so not too bright.
Day 55 of flwr ppm at 620

Edit; @Moe.Red asked for pictures under natural light. So these pictures are showing off my K deficiency
but yea @Anthem275 said i could probably take these 10 weeks

 

[GoodShit97]

First chance I've had to get pictures under normal lights. The room has 2 normal bulbs and 2 green bulbs so not too bright.
Day 55 of flwr ppm at 620

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Wow smoke, those look so damn good
Some real chunky buds too!

 

[Aqua Man]

A bit of explanation on how smoke does this.

Its overall environment of the rootzone and atmosphere.

High o2 will speed growth… thats the hydro part with good aeration.

VPD. You can feed a low ppm solution if the plants are taking up enough of it to facilitate adequate nutrients. The high the temp (of the plant) and lower humidity greatly increases uptake. You can also feed high ppm under low VPD without burning them.

Plant temps are key and fast vigorous healthy growth drastically increase the plant health and immune system and response.

What you are see is a well dialled in grow by a very experienced grower.

This is why everyone will see slightly different results in their rooms with varying environmental parameters, EC and gas exchange. There are many ways to grow some nutrients work better with high VOD and some with low VPD depending on the ratios of nutrients used

 

[Aqua Man]

Also high o2/low co2 rootzones and high co2/low o2 atmospheres increase a plant’s efficiency at making energy.

Thats right co2 in the rootzone and high o2 in the atmosphere both reduce a plant’s efficiency while the opposite will increase its efficiency

 

[Anthem275]

Also high o2/low co2 rootzones and high co2/low o2 atmospheres increase a plant’s efficiency at making energy.

Thats right co2 in the rootzone and high o2 in the atmosphere both reduce a plant’s efficiency while the opposite will increase its efficiency

I 100m percent agree

 

[smoke]

A bit of explanation on how smoke does this.

Its overall environment of the rootzone and atmosphere.

High o2 will speed growth… thats the hydro part with good aeration.

VPD. You can feed a low ppm solution if the plants are taking up enough of it to facilitate adequate nutrients. The high the temp (of the plant) and lower humidity greatly increases uptake. You can also feed high ppm under low VPD without burning them.

Plant temps are key and fast vigorous healthy growth drastically increase the plant health and immune system and response.

What you are see is a well dialled in grow by a very experienced grower.

This is why everyone will see slightly different results in their rooms with varying environmental parameters, EC and gas exchange. There are many ways to grow some nutrients work better with high VOD and some with low VPD depending on the ratios of nutrients used

Thanks for your words of wisdom aqua but can you explain how we do it while adding no bennies and adding nothing corrosive to the water. lol

 

[Aqua Man]

Thanks for your words of wisdom aqua but can you explain how we do it while adding no bennies and adding nothing corrosive to the water. lol

Bennies will occur naturally although it takes a bit more time. Inoculation is just a jump start. A healthy plant is also very resistant

 

[Observer]

Bennies will occur naturally although it takes a bit more time. Inoculation is just a jump start. A healthy plant is also very resistant

Plants "natural Bennies" exudates,hormones (?)

 

[Observer]

But hell yea thanks aqua lol

 

[Aqua Man]

Plants "natural Bennies" exudates,hormones (?)

Plants exude food that attracts beneficial bacteria… that’s exactly how it works in nature and spores etc are everywhere they just need the right conditions

 

[Observer]

Plants exude food that attracts beneficial bacteria… that’s exactly how it works in nature and spores etc are everywhere they just need the right conditions

Glad to have ya back lol

 

[Aqua Man]

Glad to have ya back lol

Missed you all and glad to be back

 

[smoke]

Plants exude food that attracts beneficial bacteria… that’s exactly how it works in nature and spores etc are everywhere they just need the right conditions

As the plants shits food, that food attracts beneficial bacteria, why dosen't it also attract the bad bacteria?

So with the "right conditions" everyone should be able to do as i do and run neither?

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

So with the "right conditions" everyone should be able to do as i do and run neither?

My theory says that you are creating the right conditions for the good bacteria, which like the cooler temps, whereas the bad bacteria prefer the warmer temps. Using the chiller keeps the bad in check and gives the beneficials a leg up on the bad. Good and bad bacteria are everywhere and because you are not adding any BB's, doesn't mean they are not there, I believe they are and you are giving them the proper environment to thrive and dominate the bad.

That's my theory, right or wrong.

 

[Aqua Man]

As the plants shits food, that food attracts beneficial bacteria, why dosen't it also attract the bad bacteria?

So with the "right conditions" everyone should be able to do as i do and run neither?

There is a chance you could generate more harmful bacteria but that’s conducive to environment and apore counts etc

 

[Aqua Man]

My theory says that you are creating the right conditions for the good bacteria, which like the cooler temps, whereas the bad bacteria prefer the warmer temps. Using the chiller keeps the bad in check and gives the beneficials a leg up on the bad. Good and bad bacteria are everywhere and because you are not adding any BB's, doesn't mean they are not there, I believe they are and you are giving them the proper environment to thrive and dominate the bad.

That's my theory, right or wrong.

Good and bad both generally speaking prefer a warmer temp but thats not all. You have bacteria that perform the sane function in varying temps, salinity and other variables there are different species of denitrifying bacteria that favour or do better in higher salinity and species that cannot tolerate higher salinity that perform the exact same functions but are different species.

Generally speaking the temp effect the metabolism which in turn effects reproduction, speed of performing varying functions. Bad bacteria like pythium also have species that prefer cooler water or at least tolerate it.

Imo a warmer environment just speeds up the metabolism so if you do have a majority of undesirable bacteria they will make a greater impact faster.

Now cannabis growth rates and health need to also be taken into account so you not wrong that cooler temps can help but for a different reason. The plant can tolerate the cooler temps and still keep a higher functioning immune system. So if you have issues it’s likely to make less impact.

With that said a warmer environment favours faster growth not only for bacteria metabolism but also plant’s metabolism which means faster growth rates.

So if you can manage the higher temps keeping good bacteria in power (generally done through inoculation) you will see a big benefit to growth rates and plant health.

 

[smoke]

My theory says that you are creating the right conditions for the good bacteria, which like the cooler temps, whereas the bad bacteria prefer the warmer temps. Using the chiller keeps the bad in check and gives the beneficials a leg up on the bad. Good and bad bacteria are everywhere and because you are not adding any BB's, doesn't mean they are not there, I believe they are and you are giving them the proper environment to thrive and dominate the bad.

That's my theory, right or wrong.

I do believe that a chiller is partially responsible for how I'm able to run "neither", but how i can't explain.

The plant can tolerate the cooler temps and still keep a higher functioning immune system. So if you have issues it’s likely to make less impact.

Tempted to try a run at 72deg just to see this better growth and if i run into problems with plthium (probably won't)

So if you can manage the higher temps keeping good bacteria in power (generally done through inoculation) you will see a big benefit to growth rates and plant health.

^^

 

[Aqua Man]

I do believe that a chiller is partially responsible for how I'm able to run "neither", but how i can't explain.


Tempted to try a run at 72deg just to see this better growth and if i run into problems with plthium (probably won't)

^^

I always say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but i have found 72f to be ideal for growth rates

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I've always ran at 68F on the chiller but I do have the Sativa that is not running a chiller at all and those temps were jumping fairly high during the day a couple of months ago. Almost need a warmer now but seems to be doing ok despite my lack of attention to her. I've never noticed any obvious signs of root rot but I had suspected it lately as I have been having unexplained pH dives and wondered if that was the culprit.

 

[Observer]

Good and bad both generally speaking prefer a warmer temp but thats not all. You have bacteria that perform the sane function in varying temps, salinity and other variables there are different species of denitrifying bacteria that favour or do better in higher salinity and species that cannot tolerate higher salinity that perform the exact same functions but are different species.

Generally speaking the temp effect the metabolism which in turn effects reproduction, speed of performing varying functions. Bad bacteria like pythium also have species that prefer cooler water or at least tolerate it.

Imo a warmer environment just speeds up the metabolism so if you do have a majority of undesirable bacteria they will make a greater impact faster.

Now cannabis growth rates and health need to also be taken into account so you not wrong that cooler temps can help but for a different reason. The plant can tolerate the cooler temps and still keep a higher functioning immune system. So if you have issues it’s likely to make less impact.

With that said a warmer environment favours faster growth not only for bacteria metabolism but also plant’s metabolism which means faster growth rates.

So if you can manage the higher temps keeping good bacteria in power (generally done through inoculation) you will see a big benefit to growth rates and plant health.

Nice

 

[Aqua Man]

Nice

To my point about many different species. This article refers to i think 120 different species of pythium. This should put to bed the long standing argument that warm is bad and you need a chiller. Its not the case but thats again not to say there is no benefit as i explained before. I have long stated and stand by my opinion that pythium is NOT in the least related to water temp… its plant heath and environmental much related to plant stress with a high spore count present or lack of beneficials to combat it.

I have had many arguments against chillers over the years with many many growers over the claim that a chiller prevents root rot (pythium)

Hopefully this can help put that to bed once and for all

https://gpnmag.com/wp-content/uploads/GPN%202_02%20pythium.pdf

 

[smoke]

Day 60 flwr for the af1

Athens Silver Haze next up

 

[moe.red]

To my point about many different species. This article refers to i think 120 different species of pythium. This should put to bed the long standing argument that warm is bad and you need a chiller. Its not the case but thats again not to say there is no benefit as i explained before. I have long stated and stand by my opinion that pythium is NOT in the least related to water temp… its plant heath and environmental much related to plant stress with a high spore count present or lack of beneficials to combat it.

I have had many arguments against chillers over the years with many many growers over the claim that a chiller prevents root rot (pythium)

Hopefully this can help put that to bed once and for all

https://gpnmag.com/wp-content/uploads/GPN%202_02%20pythium.pdf

Wait, are you saying Dr. Cashmeh was wrong? Can't be.

I'm seriously considering turning my chiller off this grow if I get good O2 readings with injection. 80* roots, if they still have good O2, grow like friggin crazy.

 

[moe.red]

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Athens Silver Haze next up

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When are you going to grow some real plants not these little weenies.
They sell bigger ladders you know.

Or could go with one of these

 

[Anthem275]

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Athens Silver Haze next up

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Man those sure are bulking up nicely Smoke!

 

[Aqua Man]

Wait, are you saying Dr. Cashmeh was wrong? Can't be.

I'm seriously considering turning my chiller off this grow if I get good O2 readings with injection. 80* roots, if they still have good O2, grow like friggin crazy.

I have had more intelligent conversations with my pet rock than that guy. In fairness that has been a long standing misinformed myth for many many years. But you could slap that guy in the face with the truth and drown him factual literature and he would still claim his broscience expertise is fact…..

I pity the people who followed his advise or still do. I spent a lot of time helping that man in PMs which was wasted.
Ok ill just stop ranting about him because im not sure the internet has enough space for me to finish lol

 

[Anthem275]

I have had more intelligent conversations with my pet rock than that guy. In fairness that has been a long standing misinformed myth for many many years. But you could slap that guy in the face with the truth and drown him factual literature and he would still claim his broscience expertise is fact…..

I pity the people who followed his advise or still do. I spent a lot of time helping that man in PMs which was wasted.
Ok ill just stop ranting about him because im not sure the internet has enough space for me to finish lol

You two might want to put a zipper on this conversation. If those bots work as well as intended he will be on here in a couple days.

 

[smoke]

Wait, are you saying Dr. Cashmeh was wrong? Can't be.

I'm seriously considering turning my chiller off this grow if I get good O2 readings with injection. 80* roots, if they still have good O2, grow like friggin crazy.

I would like to see you try " neither " while using your chiller

 

[Rootsruler]

When are you going to grow some real plants not these little weenies.
They sell bigger ladders you know.

Or could go with one of these


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At the rate those plants are blowing up I don't think those will be sufficient. I'm thinking something more along these lines......

 

[smoke]

Day 65 flwr ppm @ 600 a few amber drinking much less but man they are still noticeably stacking. @Anthem275 said he took his 9 weeks and could have gone 10.

 

[GoodShit97]

Day 65 flwr ppm @ 600 a few amber drinking much less but man they are still noticeably stacking. @Anthem275 said he took his 9 weeks and could have gone 10.

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Man, i love the trees!!
Would hate to hand trim it all.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Day 65 flwr ppm @ 600 a few amber drinking much less but man they are still noticeably stacking. @Anthem275 said he took his 9 weeks and could have gone 10.

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Beautiful my bro

 

[smoke]

Man, i love the trees!!
Would hate to hand trim it all.

I think these are more bushes than trees lol

We don't hand trim any more, have bean using a bowl trimmer the last 6 crops and have decided to go electric prime delivery lol arriving in 5 to 6 wkd

 

[moe.red]

I think these are more bushes than trees lol

We don't hand trim any more, have bean using a bowl trimmer the last 6 crops and have decided to go electric prime delivery lol arriving in 5 to 6 wkd
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After you trim, what's next? Do you save flower or make extracts or? I've seen your flower curing vessels, just curious what you do with several pounds all at once?

 

[smoke]

Don't know. 2 crops a year probably 5 lbs will be tumbled for kif during the winter months in the sunroom. Kif makes 4 briks spent material gets washed with everclear with most that reclaimed. Some will get squished a lot of flower will be smoked (helpers preference mine is brick hash) at beginning of this harvest 6 lbs flwr will be in vaults from last years 2 grows.

 

[steamroller]

My man~!
Me and you is the same besides my lack of a helper.
I play both parts well though. Smoke flower for convenience and prefer hash or press for the buzz.
Passed out joints again at the end of the day and everyone who has had them before all said thank you.
Almost 2 year old bud and they all still say it is fire~!

 

[moe.red]

My man~!
Me and you is the same besides my lack of a helper.
I play both parts well though. Smoke flower for convenience and prefer hash or press for the buzz.
Passed out joints again at the end of the day and everyone who has had them before all said thank you.
Almost 2 year old bud and they all still say it is fire~!

I give away pounds. Holy hell. The wife and I would be happy with 1/4 a month. Maybe 1/2 ozzy around Christmas. I haven't been out of good weed since 2017, the year it became legal here of course. That was for my agent.

I can't ever see myself getting the tolerance you guys have. I have a petite constitution.

 

[moe.red]

Don't know. 2 crops a year probably 5 lbs will be tumbled for kif during the winter months in the sunroom. Kif makes 4 briks spent material gets washed with everclear with most that reclaimed. Some will get squished a lot of flower will be smoked (helpers preference mine is brick hash) at beginning of this harvest 6 lbs flwr will be in vaults from last years 2 grows.

I really should try keif. I just like smoking flower, I always seem to go there.

Does it taste like the plant it came from?