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[Rootsruler]

My buddies growing an auto plant. He's having issues. Miracle Gro soil in a 3 gallon pot with an SF1000 for light. 76°/55%

 

[steamroller]

I would not intentionally reduce a photo to 14 hours if I did not want it to flower.
What it does outside you have no control over unless you have a green house.
I drop my photos to flower week by week from 18/6 and most show clearly at 14/10 hours.

 

[Terrapin]

I would not intentionally reduce a photo to 14 hours if I did not want it to flower.
What it does outside you have no control over unless you have a green house.
I drop my photos to flower week by week from 18/6 and most show clearly at 14/10 hours.

@GoodShit97

Oh man, either I'm totally confused on how to start photos indoors and the move them outside or I did a poor job asking my question, or both. Lol

Just to focus on the photos I'm starting starting now. When they reach 3 weeks old in 3 weeks from now there will be 14 hours of daylight outside and the daylight will still be increasing until the solstice in June, so I thought I should have them at 14 hours per day in veg so they wouldn't go into flowering stage. I thought the idea was to have your veging photos at the same light schedule inside as what it is when you take them outside?

I definitely appreciate any help understanding this please.

 

[GoodShit97]

@GoodShit97

Oh man, either I'm totally confused on how to start photos indoors and the move them outside or I did a poor job asking my question, or both. Lol

Just to focus on the photos I'm starting starting now. When they reach 3 weeks old in 3 weeks from now there will be 14 hours of daylight outside and the daylight will still be increasing until the solstice in June, so I thought I should have them at 14 hours per day in veg so they wouldn't go into flowering stage. I thought the idea was to have your veging photos at the same light schedule inside as what it is when you take them outside?

I definitely appreciate any help understanding this please.

Where are you located? That plays a big role too. Any way to keep light on them for 4 or 5 hours when the sun goes down?

I can't put anything out until the end of May beginning of June so I haven't even started anything yet lol.

 

[Terrapin]

Where are you located? That plays a big role too. Any way to keep light on them for 4 or 5 hours when the sun goes down?

I can't put anything out until the end of May beginning of June so I haven't even started anything yet lol.

I'm in SW Ohio, I can put vegetable plants out by mid May here.

But, I think I might see what you are saying because if I have my plants at 14 hours a day under grow lights and then move them outside where there is 14 hours a day of light, the early morning hours and the evening hours of light are dim and not as intense so this would be perceived as a light reduction by the photos . . .

Hmmm . . . I wonder if you would have a suggestion for hours per day to run them at for the next 3 weeks before they go outside?

 

[OLDCRO]

18/6

 

[Terrapin]

18/6

@steamroller

Is the idea since we can't control things like putting them outside and having a week of cloudy weather we just grow them like normal at 18/6, harden them off and hope for the best after we transplant them?

 

[steamroller]

@steamroller

Is the idea since we can't control things like putting them outside and having a week of cloudy weather we just grow them like normal at 18/6, harden them off and hope for the best after we transplant them?

Pretty much.
If you could supplement any light [ not even a grow light but regular incandescent ] it would help the plant think it was getting more hours of light.
I am in middle NY like G$ and I have seen plants start to flower in August and plants that did not finish by October.
Choosing a plant/seed with a good finishing history and being mold resistant is about all you can do to help without going through extreme measures.
I am not one who will go out every morning in the 'fall' and use a leaf blower to dry up my plants but people do.
Where did you get your seeds? What are the strains?

 

[Terrapin]

Pretty much.
If you could supplement any light [ not even a grow light but regular incandescent ] it would help the plant think it was getting more hours of light.
I am in middle NY like G$ and I have seen plants start to flower in August and plants that did not finish by October.
Choosing a plant/seed with a good finishing history and being mold resistant is about all you can do to help without going through extreme measures.
I am not one who will go out every morning in the 'fall' and use a leaf blower to dry up my plants but people do.
Where did you get your seeds? What are the strains?

From Royal Queen seeds I have White Widow and OG Kush.

And, from Great Lakes Genetics I have Tennessee Kush.

 

[Rootsruler]

@steamroller

Is the idea since we can't control things like putting them outside and having a week of cloudy weather we just grow them like normal at 18/6, harden them off and hope for the best after we transplant them?

Keep in mind that "cloudy day" doesn't mean they get no light. Just means less DLI. This means on cloudy days their photosynthetic maximum won't be reached but they will continue growing just at a reduced rate.

IME, for outdoor you want a humid, cool spring to get the veg going and a drier, medium hot summer going into an even drier cooler fall. As few cloudy days as possible within that time frame.

 

[Terrapin]

Keep in mind that "cloudy day" doesn't mean they get no light. Just means less DLI. This means on cloudy days their photosynthetic maximum won't be reached but they will continue growing just at a reduced rate.

IME, for outdoor you want a humid, cool spring to get the veg going and a drier, medium hot summer going into an even drier cooler fall. As few cloudy days as possible within that time frame.

Excellent point about DLI! I was not looking at that correctly. I need to learn about a photosynthetic maximum now.

Where I live they will get a humid cool spring, a hot humid summer, and a drier cool fall

 

[Rootsruler]

Excellent point about DLI! I was not looking at that correctly. I need to learn about a photosynthetic maximum now.

Where I live they will get a humid cool spring, a hot humid summer, and a drier cool fall

I've been to your neck of the woods, sort of, in July. I used to go to the Good Guys Auto show in Columbus. Definitely hot and humid but nothing too bad for cannabis.

 

[Terrapin]

I've been to your neck of the woods, sort of, in July. I used to go to the Good Guys Auto show in Columbus. Definitely hot and humid but nothing too bad for cannabis.

Cool.

Also, I took a closer look at the light chart and it is 14 hours and 28 minutes of daylight the week I want to plant outside.

Royal Queen Seeds is saying I should gradually reduce the lighting the last week in the closet from 18 hours to get it closer to this 14.5 hour mark. This kind of makes sense to me.

 

[Rootsruler]

Cool.

Also, I took a closer look at the light chart and it is 14 hours and 28 minutes of daylight the week I want to plant outside.

Royal Queen Seeds is saying I should gradually reduce the lighting the last week in the closet from 18 hours to get it closer to this 14.5 hour mark. This kind of makes sense to me.

Yes, you can reduce light exposure the closer you get to harvest to mimic the shorter days of fall. My question is why. How would a shorter light period benefit flower characteristics? Maybe the signaling will induce more resin and terpene production? I haven't read or seen anything that would back this up but that is the only thing I can think it should be doing if this is in fact helping your flower. Maybe the shorter light period will help in preserving more terpenes since they aren't exposed to the higher lights on temps for longer? If that's the case and you don't have the ability to lower the temp in your tent then this may be a good way of preserving them.

IMO, the more photons we give the plants to work with the better. Shortening the light period is turning off the sugar making machine that fuels the plant.

One of the things I'm starting to pay much more attention to getting right is temperature. High humidity in veg and flower is avoided because of possible mold issues along with providing a better VPD for the plants but temperature seems to be what I've found to affect quality and quantity most.

 

[Terrapin]

Yes, you can reduce light exposure the closer you get to harvest to mimic the shorter days of fall. My question is why. How would a shorter light period benefit flower characteristics? Maybe the signaling will induce more resin and terpene production? I haven't read or seen anything that would back this up but that is the only thing I can think it should be doing if this is in fact helping your flower. Maybe the shorter light period will help in preserving more terpenes since they aren't exposed to the higher lights on temps for longer? If that's the case and you don't have the ability to lower the temp in your tent then this may be a good way of preserving them.

IMO, the more photons we give the plants to work with the better. Shortening the light period is turning off the sugar making machine that fuels the plant.

One of the things I'm starting to pay much more attention to getting right is temperature. High humidity in veg and flower is avoided because of possible mold issues along with providing a better VPD for the plants but temperature seems to be what I've found to affect quality and quantity most.

I feel like I'm too ignorant to participate in this conversation, but I think the answer to the why is to prevent the plant from going into flower prematurely. Otherwise, there's no reason to disrupt the natural progression of the seedling/plant. I guess the question is how much of a concern is it really to simply start a plant indoors and then move it outside from 18 hours to 14.5 without causing problems. If it is not a real concern then then there is no reason to reduce the light exposure to the 3 week old photos before taking them outside.

 

[Terrapin]

Oh man @Rootsruler , I just realized you were talking about the Auto I have about ready to harvest.

I'll have to catch up with you another time man when I haven't had too much too fast of my last Chron harvest.

 

[Terrapin]

I got some Boveda 62% RH packs size 8-10 to experiment with. They took both of my jars back up to 65%!

So I took them back out of the jars and they went back to 62%. So my first experience with these was not cool.

I put one of the packs in an empty jar and it's holding it a 65%. Does this seem odd to anyone?

 

[GoodShit97]

I got some Boveda 62% RH packs size 8-10 to experiment with. They took both of my jars back up to 65%!

So I took them back out of the jars and they went back to 62%. So my first experience with these was not cool.

I put one of the packs in an empty jar and it's holding it a 65%. Does this seem odd to anyone?

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Don't expect those little hygrometers to be accurate to the exact point.
Theyre probably off by like 3ish percent

 

[Rootsruler]

You're overthinking it. Your jar ambient is fine without them. Leave the packs for something else.

 

[Max]

are you still getting frosts where you are.if you aren’t why don’t you take them outside once up and leave them in pots for a month then transplant them into the ground if that’s what your doing..you won’t have to worry bout anything..

 

[Terrapin]

are you still getting frosts where you are.if you aren’t why don’t you take them outside once up and leave them in pots for a month then transplant them into the ground if that’s what your doing..you won’t have to worry bout anything..

This actually sounds good. Thanks bro!

 

[Max]

just watch that the small pots dont dry out the root or the top of the soil drying when they are out in the full sun.once you get past that first week you should b good.just put them someplace snails can’t get to them..even part shade part sun won’t hurt them.

 

[Terrapin]

just watch that the small pots dont dry out the root or the top of the soil drying when they are out in the full sun.once you get past that first week you should b good.just put them someplace snails can’t get to them..even part shade part sun won’t hurt them.

Perfect!

 

[Terrapin]

Does anyone else think homegrown is far superior to dispensary in effects? This is my first experience with smoking homegrown and it's totally blowing me away. It's like it's so potent I think I need to use less of this than dispensary weed, but who wants to do that?

 

[Terrapin]

This plant has quit using water and will be harvested next week or the week after ( the 14th week) based on the other plant.

I'm thinking the reason why I'm seeing a handful of large fan leaves deteriorating is because the plant is shutting down. Does this sound correct?

 

[steamroller]

A decline in water uptake is a big signal to finishing IME.
Most plants I grow show signs of deterioration before they are done but others actually finish green~! I'm the slacker.
I would guess since the color change is mid plant that it is actually a nute deficiency, but being an auto I can't say for sure.
I will guess Potassium?
https://drcannabis.io/potassium-deficiency-flowering
Taken from; https://drcannabis.io/symptoms
I would not try to correct it at this point though.
Your buds look great~!

 

[Terrapin]

A decline in water uptake is a big signal to finishing IME.
Most plants I grow show signs of deterioration before they are done but others actually finish green~! I'm the slacker.
I would guess since the color change is mid plant that it is actually a nute deficiency, but being an auto I can't say for sure.
I will guess Potassium?
https://drcannabis.io/potassium-deficiency-flowering
Taken from; https://drcannabis.io/symptoms
I would not try to correct it at this point though.
Your buds look great~!

This is a good article, thanks for you comments slacker!

 

[Terrapin]

Has anyone ever noticed photos have a tendency to be more leggy the first week when the seeds break through the soil?

I was so impressed with the autos the first week:



But all 3 varieties of my photos are way too leggy:





I'm getting the issue corrected by letting them dry out and increasing the light and a gentle fan on them, so I'm not worried. . .

But it seems to me it is their nature to be more leggy than autos?

 

[Terrapin]

Can anyone tell me at what point humidity will cause concerns during the drying process please?

I'm up to 71% in this closet on day 4. Thank you!

 

[Terrapin]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a dehumidifier for a 2 x 6 x 8 closet please?

 

[GoodShit97]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a dehumidifier for a 2 x 6 x 8 closet please?

I have this in a 4x8x8 and works fantastic.

50-Pint Dehumidifier for Basement, Garage or Wet Rooms up to 4500 sq. ft. in Grey, Smart Dry, ENERGY STAR

 

[Terrapin]

I have this in a 4x8x8 and works fantastic.

50-Pint Dehumidifier for Basement, Garage or Wet Rooms up to 4500 sq. ft. in Grey, Smart Dry, ENERGY STAR

Thanks for this! I have it saved on Amazon. Good to have your firsthand recommendation.

 

[smoke]

Can anyone tell me at what point humidity will cause concerns during the drying process please?

I'm up to 71% in this closet on day 4. Thank you!
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If she was mine and my first harvest i would pluck all the nugs off on day 7 and jar them with a hygrometer. Ideally if they are stable around 68 to 72% you can finish the drying process in the jars.

At 62% you can stop burping and leave them shut as the curing process now begins.

 

[Terrapin]

If she was mine and my first harvest i would pluck all the nugs off on day 7 and jar them with a hygrometer in the jar. Ideally if they are stable around 68 to 72% you can finish the drying process in the jars.

At 62% you can stop burping and leave them shut as the curing process now begins.

This sounds tempting. Thanks never even would have thought of this as an option. I might just do this.

Um going to be gone from May 21st to May 25th and wouldn't be able to burp my jars for 4 days.

My original plan was to put them in jars when I got back on the 25th, but with this high humidity I might not have the option to do that. The 25th would make 21 days of drying.

If I put them in jars before I left and couldn't burp them for 4 days do you think that would cause a problem?

Thanks again

 

[Terrapin]

PS it went up to 75% humidity today, I freaked out a little bit and went out and got 3 damp rid containers and put my computer fan on the floor blowing air out of the closet under the door like an exhaust fan. This brought it back down to 70% humidity but I know that's still too high.

 

[SSgrower]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a dehumidifier for a 2 x 6 x 8 closet please?

A/C Infinity has a good choice, I haven't used one though, no experience here either.

 

[SSgrower]

This sounds tempting. Thanks never even would have thought of this as an option. I might just do this.

Um going to be gone from May 21st to May 25th and wouldn't be able to burp my jars for 4 days.

My original plan was to put them in jars when I got back on the 25th, but with this high humidity I might not have the option to do that. The 25th would make 21 days of drying.

If I put them in jars before I left and couldn't burp them for 4 days do you think that would cause a problem?

Thanks again

I use humidity packs in my jars, and yes 4 days are ok. I also use Terp-Loc Grove bags, 1 Lb size for weeks without worry. Cheers,enjoy your trip

 

[GoodShit97]

A/C Infinity has a good choice, I haven't used one though, no experience here either.

Waaaaait what?? ACI has a dehumidifier now too?
I thought they only had humidifiers.
Now I gotta go look lol.

 

[SSgrower]

Wow, maybe I am confused?

 

[SSgrower]

Neon gummie by Rick Mosca, auto

 

[GoodShit97]

Wow, maybe I am confused?

I think maybe lol, I didn't have any luck finding ACI dehumidifiers, just humidifiers.
They have a tent heater now too!