It's about weed growing and weed growing accessories I tell you what!

[GrumpAzz]

I can't remember.. is this your first or second run using ACI's UV bars?

Curious if you have any comparison versus CLW's UV lights. I remember when I talked to you before buying my light, you recommended not getting the UV bars. Can't remember why, but I thought you'd said something about negligible benefits, or something about the price tag.

Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts as I'm contemplating whether or not to supplement UV this round when the time comes.

 

[Bandit420]

I can't remember.. is this your first or second run using ACI's UV bars?

Curious if you have any comparison versus CLW's UV lights. I remember when I talked to you before buying my light, you recommended not getting the UV bars. Can't remember why, but I thought you'd said something about negligible benefits, or something about the price tag.

Either way, I'd like to hear your thoughts as I'm contemplating whether or not to supplement UV this round when the time comes.

This will be my 4th grow using ACI UV.
UV has a long ways to go for indoor growing IMO.
Until we get there, we're working with D+ tech.
CLW and ACI each have their pros and cons.
Quality between the two favors ACI and it's not even close. Really, CLW should be embarassed at their UV package quality it's so far below everything else they've made. It's outsourced from China and man does it show.
I wouldn't be able to use ACI if I didn't have my 3D printer to build the mounting rails for it.
The dimming on ACI is pointless since UV LED is already serverly underpowered.
ACI excells in control, user freindliness, and overall quality of a UV system. CLW control is clumsy and bulky and separate from evertything so it needs it's own timer and the cables for those lights are their own special PITA to deal with.


I have probably 6 of the CLW UV fixtures and another two lamp fixture for that type of T5H0 UV you can have. I'm not gonna use them ever again so they're just clutter in my closet right now. You can use them and see if they do anything for you. It's hit and miss most grows as to the effects.
I don't have any spare outriggers but those lamps don't need to be attached to the SolarSytem lights.
IDK how many lamps, maybe as many as 12 IDK. Some are from CLW and other UV lamps are from HTG. Both are pretty much UV reptile lights in a T5H0 package but I'd say the CLW is a better tube than HTG

 

[doublej]

Not that I'm questioning it but I'm questioning it is there a particular reason you recommend expanded shale?

 

[doublej]

OH YEAH FUCK ALMOST FORGOT....,..... I'll just leave this here



HOOK EM....

 

[Bandit420]

Not that I'm questioning it but I'm questioning it is there a particular reason you recommend expanded shale?

Doesn't float.
If you use hydroton you have to soak it for days to drown it and get the air out then sort what still floats from what sank and use what sank.
Or you can use rockwool, coco, lava rock, gravel, whatever. Main thing is don't use a medium that floats because the first time you flood the system everything will float out of the top and create a huge mess.

OH YEAH FUCK ALMOST FORGOT....,..... I'll just leave this here

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HOOK EM....

Damn! AI got AntHill out here burning OU flags?
IDK if he'll burn flags but he'll damn sure take a QB's cornbread!

Yep. IYKYK

 

[Stoneyluv]

hey look, it's 6:58 and ohio st still sucks!!! hahahaha

 

[doublej]

Doesn't float.
If you use hydroton you have to soak it for days to drown it and get the air out then sort what still floats from what sank and use what sank.
Or you can use rockwool, coco, lava rock, gravel, whatever. Main thing is don't use a medium that floats because the first time you flood the system everything will float out of the top and create a huge mess.




Damn! AI got AntHill out here burning OU flags?
IDK if he'll burn flags but he'll damn sure take a QB's cornbread!

Yep. IYKYK

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Thanks Buddy just wanted to make sure....

 

[Bandit420]

Day 21
3x3 footprint has filled in thru the week.
Next Sunday update will be a totally different configuration expanding to the full 40"x 85" footprint.






Two Vietnamese have been identified as Mum keepers if they're female. I believe I have a Hoa Bac and a Black pheno. Somewhere in there are legendary genetics that made soldiers trip balls with hallucinating effects in late 60s Saigon and if they're there, I'm gonna find it!

While I'm on the topic of genetics, another throwback is in en route. It's from 1964! Allegedly.
This one I looked up just because of the name. Usually names get an eye roll from me but not this one. This one made me get out my credit card!



So yeah, I'm gonna be dipping my fingers in some Stinky Pink soon

 

[GrumpAzz]

This will be my 4th grow using ACI UV.
UV has a long ways to go for indoor growing IMO.
Until we get there, we're working with D+ tech.
CLW and ACI each have their pros and cons.
Quality between the two favors ACI and it's not even close. Really, CLW should be embarassed at their UV package quality it's so far below everything else they've made. It's outsourced from China and man does it show.
I wouldn't be able to use ACI if I didn't have my 3D printer to build the mounting rails for it.
The dimming on ACI is pointless since UV LED is already serverly underpowered.
ACI excells in control, user freindliness, and overall quality of a UV system. CLW control is clumsy and bulky and separate from evertything so it needs it's own timer and the cables for those lights are their own special PITA to deal with.


I have probably 6 of the CLW UV fixtures and another two lamp fixture for that type of T5H0 UV you can have. I'm not gonna use them ever again so they're just clutter in my closet right now. You can use them and see if they do anything for you. It's hit and miss most grows as to the effects.
I don't have any spare outriggers but those lamps don't need to be attached to the SolarSytem lights.
IDK how many lamps, maybe as many as 12 IDK. Some are from CLW and other UV lamps are from HTG. Both are pretty much UV reptile lights in a T5H0 package but I'd say the CLW is a better tube than HTG

Gotcha. I'm not in any need for it. Buds have been just fine without UV so I might as well keep it simple and forget about it for now. No sense in cluttering up the grow with more cables and timing schedules just yet. I'll hop on the bandwagon when the tech is up to snuff and the results are undeniable.

Plants look great, as usual. Your grows are always so unique. Keep it up, brother

 

[Pipecarver]

Gotcha. I'm not in any need for it. Buds have been just fine without UV so I might as well keep it simple and forget about it for now. No sense in cluttering up the grow with more cables and timing schedules just yet. I'll hop on the bandwagon when the tech is up to snuff and the results are undeniable.

Plants look great, as usual. Your grows are always so unique. Keep it up, brother

Hey go with Black lights then, they don't do anything for the plants UV wise but they're cheap and look cool from what I've seen. I was reading about cannabis photography, some one wrote that black lights made pretty pics. I Amzoned.$20 Cdn for a pair of foot longs, clicked buy now..... Now I need to grow me some buds to try it for myself. ( not my pic)

 

[Bandit420]

Gotcha. I'm not in any need for it. Buds have been just fine without UV so I might as well keep it simple and forget about it for now. No sense in cluttering up the grow with more cables and timing schedules just yet. I'll hop on the bandwagon when the tech is up to snuff and the results are undeniable.

Plants look great, as usual. Your grows are always so unique. Keep it up, brother

You may or may not understand what I'm referring to here since it's dated tech, but IMO the road to UV will come from Metal Halide and not floro or LED.

It's already here and has pretty much been a sleeping bear.
Before LED grow lights and even before Ceramic Metal Halide, many growers vegged under Metal Halide then flowered under HPS.
Savvy growers started to mix this combo in flower with 600 watts of HPS and 400 of MH to make up a 1000watt light. This innovation was what led to the frost craze we all know today and is largely responsible for the quality today just as much as breeding.
That mix is why blurple came to be and so on. It all evolved from there as the tech got better but the tech can't deliver the UV like the old gear.

Since then, people have tried to adapt floro reptile UV and UV-A with LED and at every turn it's come up short of what MH could do.

IMO, if you really want to go down the UV road in the future, go old school and hang a bare bulb 250 watt MH that has no UV protection on the glass.
You pretty much have a low powered UV tanning light. Being hung vertical and in the open, it would operate like a little 250 watt Sun in the grow space.

Hey go with Black lights then, they don't do anything for the plants UV wise but they're cheap and look cool from what I've seen. I was reading about cannabis photography, some one wrote that black lights made pretty pics. I Amzoned.$20 Cdn for a pair of foot longs, clicked buy now..... Now I need to grow me some buds to try it for myself. ( not my pic)View attachment 112598

UV-A or blacklight at that low of power is good for ID'ing molds and mildews on plants. Those bright white specs for example lol.
At 10 watts it's a poster light or good for spotting ring worm on a dog or cat.

Up the power to 3-5 watts per diode and try to smother with as many diodes as possible and you have a source of UV plants can use and insects will hate. Not as good as UV-B, but better than nothing IMO.

IDK why but I've never enjoyed photoshop or enhanced imagery on weed. Cool if it's painted art but I've alwasy enjoyed natural weed and when it does spalsh unique color, makes it even more special. Like a beautiful woman needs no make up sorta thing for me.

 

[Pipecarver]

You may or may not understand what I'm referring to here since it's dated tech, but IMO the road to UV will come from Metal Halide and not floro or LED.

It's already here and has pretty much been a sleeping bear.
Before LED grow lights and even before Ceramic Metal Halide, many growers vegged under Metal Halide then flowered under HPS.
Savvy growers started to mix this combo in flower with 600 watts of HPS and 400 of MH to make up a 1000watt light. This innovation was what led to the frost craze we all know today and is largely responsible for the quality today just as much as breeding.
That mix is why blurple came to be and so on. It all evolved from there as the tech got better but the tech can't deliver the UV like the old gear.

Since then, people have tried to adapt floro reptile UV and UV-A with LED and at every turn it's come up short of what MH could do.

IMO, if you really want to go down the UV road in the future, go old school and hang a bare bulb 250 watt MH that has no UV protection on the glass.
You pretty much have a low powered UV tanning light. Being hung vertical and in the open, it would operate like a little 250 watt Sun in the grow space.



UV-A or blacklight at that low of power is good for ID'ing molds and mildews on plants. Those bright white specs for example lol.
At 10 watts it's a poster light or good for spotting ring worm on a dog or cat.

Up the power to 3-5 watts per diode and try to smother with as many diodes as possible and you have a source of UV plants can use and insects will hate. Not as good as UV-B, but better than nothing IMO.

IDK why but I've never enjoyed photoshop or enhanced imagery on weed. Cool if it's painted art but I've alwasy enjoyed natural weed and when it does spalsh unique color, makes it even more special. Like a beautiful woman needs no make up sorta thing for me.

It was $20 Cdn about $12 Usa. I wasn't expecting much out of them and like I said its just play. If I get a few pics out of it I'm good. I'm a old hippy from the 60's I've never had my own Black light and had forgot about them. I now will need a couple of cool posters...peace sign, maybe a pot leaf...at $20 each I can deck my whole shop out with black lights & cool posters...lo..l

 

[BlueCollarBob]

IMO, if you really want to go down the UV road in the future, go old school and hang a bare bulb 250 watt MH that has no UV protection on the glass.
You pretty much have a low powered UV tanning light. Being hung vertical and in the open, it would operate like a little 250 watt Sun in the grow space.

Do you have thoughts on a schedule with this set up? Is it something for late flower, like we're seeing in some UVB conversations?

Curious about non-coated MH bulbs. I just vegged my first tent grow under MH. Is there a coating that allowed me to veg 18/6 under MH? And would an uncoated bulb have harmed the plants? Or, is the excessive damage from long UVB exposure I see people talking about tied to something in the LED set-ups?

 

[Bandit420]

It was $20 Cdn about $12 Usa. I wasn't expecting much out of them and like I said its just play. If I get a few pics out of it I'm good. I'm a old hippy from the 60's I've never had my own Black light and had forgot about them. I now will need a couple of cool posters...peace sign, maybe a pot leaf...at $20 each I can deck my whole shop out with black lights & cool posters...lo..l

I have a lot of black lights around here. I use a torch style for looking over wounds on my pets. Some in string light version I use for holidays and a bulb for my porch light. No posters though but anything white or a florescent color will glow like it's radioactive. Kids love it in the porch light on Halloween

Do you have thoughts on a schedule with this set up? Is it something for late flower, like we're seeing in some UVB conversations?

Curious about non-coated MH bulbs. I just vegged my first tent grow under MH. Is there a coating that allowed me to veg 18/6 under MH? And would an uncoated bulb have harmed the plants? Or, is the excessive damage from long UVB exposure I see people talking about tied to something in the LED set-ups?

Yeah I have thoughts
I'll just say I'm on Team UV From The Start.
Lighting engineers at Eye Hortilux developed one of the best veg lights ever and it used UV, Sun has UV on as long as it's up, outdoor plants get hit with UV from early to late, so on and so on.

IMO there's a tunnel vision about UV and trichs which is what got me into it. Along the way I've found it's really about using it to make a hardier plant which will be more potent than a weakly plant in those regards but also shielding a plant from pests

I like this plant here because it's showing me what type of stress a daily UV index of 11 will do and along with the low angle of Sun travel, get a real good idea that no matter how strong the side light, those bottom buds stay small.
It's also interesting that keeping her exposed is keeping pests off. Her shaded sister needs constant caterpillar plucking on the other side of the yard.
Perhaps the xtra UV stress is frosting her buds up IDK. Never grown this haze before but she is on the frosty side for a haze. Just nothing unusual.




Most MH bulbs have a coating to block UV so you have to almost touch it. If your lamp has a glass globe around the filament, it's safe.
The kind without glass are what's used in some tanning beds. Looks like a large halogen headlight bulb.
TBH what ever UV your lamp was putting on your plants, they loved it. UV-B makes some really good plants during veg.

The thing I don't like is that there's no real great option here. There's a caveat to anything with power and it's that UV and heat are a siamese twin. You really can't get one without the other and if you cut one, the other fails. You can have low watt and low heat but it will be worthless in the grow space. You can have hi power with the hi heat and every other variable in your room will need to adjust for it.
The other stuff, like the LED tanning lights for $20 are worthless and just blue, not even UV diodes lol.

Here's a good graph why I believe MH is the way to go here. It's a reptile metal halide so it's gonna come with heat but that zone 3 is a distance above target which it could operate side by side or even above the regular grow light in the space. I think this is a 75 watt light.
Since they're also heaters, I'm considering this to be my next venture into UV for Winter operations.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

I have a lot of black lights around here. I use a torch style for looking over wounds on my pets. Some in string light version I use for holidays and a bulb for my porch light. No posters though but anything white or a florescent color will glow like it's radioactive. Kids love it in the porch light on Halloween




Yeah I have thoughts
I'll just say I'm on Team UV From The Start.
Lighting engineers at Eye Hortilux developed one of the best veg lights ever and it used UV, Sun has UV on as long as it's up, outdoor plants get hit with UV from early to late, so on and so on.

IMO there's a tunnel vision about UV and trichs which is what got me into it. Along the way I've found it's really about using it to make a hardier plant which will be more potent than a weakly plant in those regards but also shielding a plant from pests

I like this plant here because it's showing me what type of stress a daily UV index of 11 will do and along with the low angle of Sun travel, get a real good idea that no matter how strong the side light, those bottom buds stay small.
It's also interesting that keeping her exposed is keeping pests off. Her shaded sister needs constant caterpillar plucking on the other side of the yard.
Perhaps the xtra UV stress is frosting her buds up IDK. Never grown this haze before but she is on the frosty side for a haze. Just nothing unusual.

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Most MH bulbs have a coating to block UV so you have to almost touch it. If your lamp has a glass globe around the filament, it's safe.
The kind without glass are what's used in some tanning beds. Looks like a large halogen headlight bulb.
TBH what ever UV your lamp was putting on your plants, they loved it. UV-B makes some really good plants during veg.

The thing I don't like is that there's no real great option here. There's a caveat to anything with power and it's that UV and heat are a siamese twin. You really can't get one without the other and if you cut one, the other fails. You can have low watt and low heat but it will be worthless in the grow space. You can have hi power with the hi heat and every other variable in your room will need to adjust for it.
The other stuff, like the LED tanning lights for $20 are worthless and just blue, not even UV diodes lol.

Here's a good graph why I believe MH is the way to go here. It's a reptile metal halide so it's gonna come with heat but that zone 3 is a distance above target which it could operate side by side or even above the regular grow light in the space. I think this is a 75 watt light.
Since they're also heaters, I'm considering this to be my next venture into UV for Winter operations.

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Thanks for sharing this. Just the mention of outdoor plants being exposed to UV from the Sun will have a major change on things to consider when I think my way through this. I was only considering artificial lighting, until I saw you reference the Sun. I think I have a few industrial MH bulbs that that have just been sitting in a shop cabinet for years. I'm gonna have to dig them out and see what they're rated and whether they're coated.

That hazy lady looks happy af. Are you sure it's open exposure to the Sun limiting pests and not the garden ape? He looks like he's keeping a close watch on things.

Thanks again. I really appreciate the informative response.

 

[Pipecarver]

I have a lot of black lights around here. I use a torch style for looking over wounds on my pets. Some in string light version I use for holidays and a bulb for my porch light. No posters though but anything white or a florescent color will glow like it's radioactive. Kids love it in the porch light on Halloween




Yeah I have thoughts
I'll just say I'm on Team UV From The Start.
Lighting engineers at Eye Hortilux developed one of the best veg lights ever and it used UV, Sun has UV on as long as it's up, outdoor plants get hit with UV from early to late, so on and so on.

IMO there's a tunnel vision about UV and trichs which is what got me into it. Along the way I've found it's really about using it to make a hardier plant which will be more potent than a weakly plant in those regards but also shielding a plant from pests

I like this plant here because it's showing me what type of stress a daily UV index of 11 will do and along with the low angle of Sun travel, get a real good idea that no matter how strong the side light, those bottom buds stay small.
It's also interesting that keeping her exposed is keeping pests off. Her shaded sister needs constant caterpillar plucking on the other side of the yard.
Perhaps the xtra UV stress is frosting her buds up IDK. Never grown this haze before but she is on the frosty side for a haze. Just nothing unusual.

View attachment 112607


Most MH bulbs have a coating to block UV so you have to almost touch it. If your lamp has a glass globe around the filament, it's safe.
The kind without glass are what's used in some tanning beds. Looks like a large halogen headlight bulb.
TBH what ever UV your lamp was putting on your plants, they loved it. UV-B makes some really good plants during veg.

The thing I don't like is that there's no real great option here. There's a caveat to anything with power and it's that UV and heat are a siamese twin. You really can't get one without the other and if you cut one, the other fails. You can have low watt and low heat but it will be worthless in the grow space. You can have hi power with the hi heat and every other variable in your room will need to adjust for it.
The other stuff, like the LED tanning lights for $20 are worthless and just blue, not even UV diodes lol.

Here's a good graph why I believe MH is the way to go here. It's a reptile metal halide so it's gonna come with heat but that zone 3 is a distance above target which it could operate side by side or even above the regular grow light in the space. I think this is a 75 watt light.
Since they're also heaters, I'm considering this to be my next venture into UV for Winter operations.

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With all the UV available in outdoor grows why don't outdoor plants frost up like indoor grown can. I've never seen a super frosty outdoor grown girl. This plant of mine was a hermi and not one of my best but still got frostier than any outdoor plants I've seen. If UV can help produce more Trichomes whats with the lack of visible trich's?

 

[Bandit420]

Thanks for sharing this. Just the mention of outdoor plants being exposed to UV from the Sun will have a major change on things to consider when I think my way through this. I was only considering artificial lighting, until I saw you reference the Sun. I think I have a few industrial MH bulbs that that have just been sitting in a shop cabinet for years. I'm gonna have to dig them out and see what they're rated and whether they're coated.

That hazy lady looks happy af. Are you sure it's open exposure to the Sun limiting pests and not the garden ape? He looks like he's keeping a close watch on things.

Thanks again. I really appreciate the informative response.

Near the base of the globe on the MH you may see a stamp regarding UV.
If there is no stamp then the next best thing would be a UV meter. These can be less than $20 and are used by sunbathers to know when they'll begin to burn. They'll tell you a UV index and I believe it's measuring UV-B.
The globe doesn't block 100% of the UV like a car windshield can do but it does greatly reduce it so to get tanned by it, you would need to have your skin within inches of the lamp for longer than 10 minutes and probably need to keep it there for like 30.

I was an outdoor grower before anything so I rely on that background for much of what I do. And growing in hot Texas Summers teaches me a ton as well. I see things with light and heat that can be quite unusual

Another option is "finishing" lights.
I actually think these are better than UV in regards to potency.
A finisher can be a lamp in the 10,000 kelvin spectrum range or it can be created by using a LED with spectrum control. From my experience, the frost maker is well above the UV range at around 400-420nm. The UV we use is around 360nm so we're kinda overshooting the target with UV. However, that UV does make a hardier plant. But if looking soley for trichs, I believe it's already in most LED grow lights just like Far Red and there's no need to supplement, just get a great quality grow light and it would be set.

With all the UV available in outdoor grows why don't outdoor plants frost up like indoor grown can. I've never seen a super frosty outdoor grown girl. This plant of mine was a hermi and not one of my best but still got frostier than any outdoor plants I've seen. If UV can help produce more Trichomes whats with the lack of visible trich's?View attachment 112677

Longitude/lattitude
The Moon
Genetics
Every type of UV compared to isolated spectrum ranges.....Pick one lol
That pic & description reminds me why I want to stop growing hybrids though

 

[Pipecarver]

With all the UV available in outdoor grows why don't outdoor plants frost up like indoor grown can. I've never seen a super frosty outdoor grown girl. This plant of mine was a hermi and not one of my best but still got frostier than any outdoor plants I've seen. If UV can help produce more Trichomes whats with the lack of visible trich's?View attachment 112677

Have you ever seen out door plants frost up?

My herming was my fault 100% I left a co2/humidity/temp meter plugged in with the light shining bright across my room. I didn't notice for 4 weeks I came in early one morning and could see my whole room lit up like Christmas, with that light and the lights off my new dehue bright blue lights when everything should be dark right in front of my tent with open doors. I knew at that moment...I'd fked up, My whole crop, seeded as if it was done on purpose. Only 1 back plant was spared the worst of it but still 5 -10 seeds per small bud is a disaster.

 

[Pipecarver]

I'm wondering if a...say Ice Cream cake...grown inside and the same sister seed grown outside would look the same. I don't really care about frost other than for pretty pics. I want the buzz and pleasant smoke. I've not had enough experience with outdoor growing I have in doors. My climate doesn't cooperate with me.....is there maybe too much uv outdoors through the plants life all day everyday evaporating the trichs? where indoors its limited?

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Eh, bulb search only turned up one metal halide. I might have stowed some away elsewhere. Not a big deal. Just wanted to check considering the conversation about UV.

The lone bulb is 100W and there's no UV stamp. Just has M90/E MH 100W stamped on the glass. Google say the M90/E just indicates it's 100W and the base size. I did see MH bulbs that were listed as unprotected on a few sites while I was looking up this bulb, though.



I've started browsing LED lights, but also am thinking about how the heat from MH/HPS set up might be useful with a Winter grow. I have plenty of of time to decide whether to try to keep some MH in the mix after switching to flower.

 

[Pipecarver]

Eh, bulb search only turned up one metal halide. I might have stowed some away elsewhere. Not a big deal. Just wanted to check considering the conversation about UV.

The lone bulb is 100W and there's no UV stamp. Just has M90/E MH 100W stamped on the glass. Google say the M90/E just indicates it's 100W and the base size. I did see MH bulbs that were listed as unprotected on a few sites while I was looking up this bulb, though.

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I've started browsing LED lights, but also am thinking about how the heat from MH/HPS set up might be useful with a Winter grow. I have plenty of of time to decide whether to try to keep some MH in the mix after switching to flower.

I found my buds are tighter with led than with hps. Even with a new lamps. I used 1000w Eye horts, new yearly. I had triplets of a Bubba Kush I think it was, 2 went in under HPS and the 3rd under a 100w SF1000. The Plant under the LED light produced more smoke able, harder bud than either grown under hps. I haven't grown under HPS since about 2018

 

[Bandit420]

Have you ever seen out door plants frost up?

My herming was my fault 100% I left a co2/humidity/temp meter plugged in with the light shining bright across my room. I didn't notice for 4 weeks I came in early one morning and could see my whole room lit up like Christmas, with that light and the lights off my new dehue bright blue lights when everything should be dark right in front of my tent with open doors. I knew at that moment...I'd fked up, My whole crop, seeded as if it was done on purpose. Only 1 back plant was spared the worst of it but still 5 -10 seeds per small bud is a disaster.

Yeah you could say I've had some frosty meatballs outdoors hahaha.
This is my first year outdoors in about 10 years so I had to do some digging thru old pics but yeah....




Genetics matter more than anything there. Hybrids and indicas will show more frost than sativas on the leaves. Sativa frost is all on flowers yet the sativa is of a much higher potency of THC than the indica or hybrid even though it appears less potent.

Location matters as well. East side of a hill or mountain right below the peak is ideal. Northeast or Southeast depending on wind factors. Avoid valleys. Full sun from around 6-7am until at least 4pm. Let them enjoy long sunsets and cool evenings

I'm wondering if a...say Ice Cream cake...grown inside and the same sister seed grown outside would look the same. I don't really care about frost other than for pretty pics. I want the buzz and pleasant smoke. I've not had enough experience with outdoor growing I have in doors. My climate doesn't cooperate with me.....is there maybe too much uv outdoors through the plants life all day everyday evaporating the trichs? where indoors its limited?

I don't believe that trichs grow and then can evaporate. Maybe ripen and amber out early but not turn to vapor from the Sun.

Everything you do and give to a plant determines what it's DNA traits will do.
I can take identical clones, one grown under blurple, one white LED, one HPS, and one Sun and every single one will be different in the end.
The same for how they're fed, water chemistry, air temps, etc. Every single variable plays a role in what happens at the end so yeah an outdoor plant will always give up a different result than it's indoor sister.

Eh, bulb search only turned up one metal halide. I might have stowed some away elsewhere. Not a big deal. Just wanted to check considering the conversation about UV.

The lone bulb is 100W and there's no UV stamp. Just has M90/E MH 100W stamped on the glass. Google say the M90/E just indicates it's 100W and the base size. I did see MH bulbs that were listed as unprotected on a few sites while I was looking up this bulb, though.

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I've started browsing LED lights, but also am thinking about how the heat from MH/HPS set up might be useful with a Winter grow. I have plenty of of time to decide whether to try to keep some MH in the mix after switching to flower.

I'd start that search at California Lightworks.

Good LED lights produce heat and lots of it. I do my best gardening in the Winter because my LED are also great heaters lol.
If an LED doesn't get hot, TBH, I'd avoid that POS.

 

[Pipecarver]

Yeah you could say I've had some frosty meatballs outdoors hahaha.
This is my first year outdoors in about 10 years so I had to do some digging thru old pics but yeah....

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Genetics matter more than anything there. Hybrids and indicas will show more frost than sativas on the leaves. Sativa frost is all on flowers yet the sativa is of a much higher potency of THC than the indica or hybrid even though it appears less potent.

Location matters as well. East side of a hill or mountain right below the peak is ideal. Northeast or Southeast depending on wind factors. Avoid valleys. Full sun from around 6-7am until at least 4pm. Let them enjoy long sunsets and cool evenings




I don't believe that trichs grow and then can evaporate. Maybe ripen and amber out early but not turn to vapor from the Sun.

Everything you do and give to a plant determines what it's DNA traits will do.
I can take identical clones, one grown under blurple, one white LED, one HPS, and one Sun and every single one will be different in the end.
The same for how they're fed, water chemistry, air temps, etc. Every single variable plays a role in what happens at the end so yeah an outdoor plant will always give up a different result than it's indoor sister.



I'd start that search at California Lightworks.

Good LED lights produce heat and lots of it. I do my best gardening in the Winter because my LED are also great heaters lol.
If an LED doesn't get hot, TBH, I'd avoid that POS.

Well you have a whole lot of sun we don't normally get a lot of and then there's flowering. I'd be lucky to get 7 weeks before 5c /10c fog and or rain. I see lots of monster plants out doors in prime growing locations but other than that top left of yours I don't see any that have a lot of exposed snow. Not to say the weeds not potent, just not as visibly sparkly.

Maybe its strain related as you say but we don't see giant snowy plants like we should see if its genetics alone. Or again like you say Feed system, latitude, air pressure, CO2, ect will contribute. I'd love to see a giant frosty Christmas tree but something must be preventing them from growing outside or I'd have seen pics by now

 

[Bandit420]

Well you have a whole lot of sun we don't normally get a lot of and then there's flowering. I'd be lucky to get 7 weeks before 5c /10c fog and or rain. I see lots of monster plants out doors in prime growing locations but other than that top left of yours I don't see any that have a lot of exposed snow. Not to say the weeds not potent, just not as visibly sparkly. Maybe its strain related as you say but we don't see giant snowy plants like we should see if its genetics

The frosty looks of hybrids have nothing to do with how potent it truly is. It's pure eye candy for instagram and bred for that.
I'm doing my best to get away from growing that shit. Give me ugly and potent over instagram weed any day and twice on Sunday! Pictures have never got me high.

I think of a trichs as a pie and within that pie it's divided by all the various cannabinoids and water.
In one haze strain that's not very frosty the trich pie is made up largely of THC-A making it a very euphoric strain. A moderately frosty indica may have a large amount of CBD in the pie
Next you can have a hybrid and it's dripping in trichs but those trichs are mostly full of water and not cannabinoid oils. So all that drip is nothing but water and adds nothing. No flavor let alone any potency.
At least that's how I go about growing this plant. If the internet had smellavision there'd probably be a very different global opinion of what makes a strain good or not.

 

[Stoneyluv]

how bout that

i knew he was gonna win!! hehe i feel like i'm this guy in the race pool...

 

[BlueCollarBob]

I found my buds are tighter with led than with hps. Even with a new lamps. I used 1000w Eye horts, new yearly. I had triplets of a Bubba Kush I think it was, 2 went in under HPS and the 3rd under a 100w SF1000. The Plant under the LED light produced more smoke able, harder bud than either grown under hps. I haven't grown under HPS since about 2018

I'm still learning, but I am reading enough to get the sense that LEDs are where it's at. The HPS/MH light I'm using for my first indoor grow was gifted to me by a buddy when I was telling him about my first outdoor effort, last year. Honestly, I'm surprised that the indoor grow is going as well as it is, so far. I know I have a lot to learn, but I was expecting much less out of this first effort. I did add some full spectrum supplemental light bars around the sides. That may be helping. The buds feel pretty dense. I'm getting down right excited for harvest, dry, and cure. Maybe too much anticipation, because time has suddenly slowed down, lol.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Yeah you could say I've had some frosty meatballs outdoors hahaha.
This is my first year outdoors in about 10 years so I had to do some digging thru old pics but yeah....

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Sweet!

I'd start that search at California Lightworks.

Good LED lights produce heat and lots of it. I do my best gardening in the Winter because my LED are also great heaters lol.
If an LED doesn't get hot, TBH, I'd avoid that POS.

I've definitely taken notice of what people here are doing with CLW lights. I can't help but wonder about some other lights I come across on the Internet. The plant that was gifted to me and started it all for me last year was a freebie (Butter Waves) from Robin Hood seeds. A buddy had started it from seed and offered it to me to plant in my garden. I took him up on the offer and added three clones to the mix. Butter Waves was by far the favorite of my crew and was gone through almost exclusively before turning to the other plants. I joined a Discord by the breeder for Robin Hood Seeds. There are some guys on there who post some really good looking plants they grow using some tunable full spectrum lights from a Canadian company called GrandMaster LEDs. That has lead me to positive reviews for these lights from elsewhere on the Internet. I haven't noticed if anyone on Bud Builders uses these lights, but I could easily be overlooking someone.

I haven't compared them to CLW and wouldn't know what to look for, anyway. They just caught my eye and I'm curious about everything, lol.

 

[Bandit420]

I'm still learning, but I am reading enough to get the sense that LEDs are where it's at. The HPS/MH light I'm using for my first indoor grow was gifted to me by a buddy when I was telling him about my first outdoor effort, last year. Honestly, I'm surprised that the indoor grow is going as well as it is, so far. I know I have a lot to learn, but I was expecting much less out of this first effort. I did add some full spectrum supplemental light bars around the sides. That may be helping. The buds feel pretty dense. I'm getting down right excited for harvest, dry, and cure. Maybe too much anticipation, because time has suddenly slowed down, lol.

Genetics have always played the biggest role in density for me. Indicas are like rocks. Hybrids are like big solid beer bottles not quite as dense as indica but formidable density. Sativas just depends...South American tend to come out dense while Asian are lighter and thinned out, more hairy.

LED gets it right because not so much of it's energy is in wasted heat. I cannot remember exactly but something like a 1000watt light only had around 3-400 watts of true usable spectrum light. That might be worth a google search lol. But yeah, it's efficiency was dismal.
LED is far more efficient because with something like my 950 watts, like almost all of it is usable light and the heat is more of a byproduct than something needed to get the light to hit max power..I say that because if HPS does not get to maximum temp, it does not get to full brilliance.

GrandMaster LED

Quick ride around the information super hiway is giving me bad vibes.
Has influencer hype scam written all over it.
Appears to also be under another brand called Light Science. Likely drop ship, bottom shelf, rebrand gear. Probably on the level of quality and performance as any other off brand Chinese made budget LED.

Lighting is something I'm fairly anal about. Really I take that page from commercial growers. Commercial quality is just on another level and it's hard to explain.
It doesn't pimp itself on forums or instagram because it don't need to.
Some is made in China but I prefer American or German made. Not because of any lame nationalist shit but because that's where quality comes from.
CLW, you're getting American made with German guts. Like a Camero with a Mercedes motor or something. If not CLW then I'm looking at Fluence, HLG, and Gavita since that's what doing the job for commercial growers in my area.

how bout that

i knew he was gonna win!! hehe i feel like i'm this guy in the race pool...

IDK why they were going on about Brisky's cool suit not working.
Don't they know my guy has ice water coursing his veins???!!!
That was a helluva a race man!
After stage 1 I was like cool, we came out swinging like we should...It's playoff racing, got some points...LFG!!!
After stage 2...Hey Hon....we got a shot at this motherfucker!!!! Brisky got speed and his crew has gone savage out here!!!
Final lap...C'mon 19!!!! C'mon 19!!!!! C'MON 19!!!!!! BOOM! Earthquake at the Hideout!!!
Dogs barking, cats ran for cover, wife started to breathe again....Great times!!!
Especially after that dud of a shit show on Saturday. Geezus that was bad football. Thank goodness for great racing to save the weekend!

Monday film study at work was fun



Nice company to be in here



Yeah man back to back at The Lady in Black!!!
Funny thing too...it was Saturday and I was shopping the fan shop thinking I'd get something for 50 points in August buying merch. Nothing stood out but they did have his preorder #14 Elite diecast on sale for $20 so Iwas like why not and bought it. Next day he goes back to back so it looks like I'll need this diecast too and will need to make a special case for it.

That was real nice pick in the pool for you this late too. I was loving Asstain in 4th until he wasn't and finished 11.
All I need are single digits from these guys and that fucker had to ruin it and drop to 11.

If Brisky can keep that speed I think he'll get to the final four on points and then there's only one thing left to do!!



A and down to the wire in Phoenix would be some kind of weird poetry!!!

 

[Pipecarver]

Sweet!

I've definitely taken notice of what people here are doing with CLW lights. I can't help but wonder about some other lights I come across on the Internet. The plant that was gifted to me and started it all for me last year was a freebie (Butter Waves) from Robin Hood seeds. A buddy had started it from seed and offered it to me to plant in my garden. I took him up on the offer and added three clones to the mix. Butter Waves was by far the favorite of my crew and was gone through almost exclusively before turning to the other plants. I joined a Discord by the breeder for Robin Hood Seeds. There are some guys on there who post some really good looking plants they grow using some tunable full spectrum lights from a Canadian company called GrandMaster LEDs. That has lead me to positive reviews for these lights from elsewhere on the Internet. I haven't noticed if anyone on Bud Builders uses these lights, but I could easily be overlooking someone.

I haven't compared them to CLW and wouldn't know what to look for, anyway. They just caught my eye and I'm curious about everything, lol.

bandit recommended Grandmaster LEd to me when I was looking for Blue lights. I bought a pair of their 450nm booster bars. Their lights look good but have been out of my price range. I'm happy with the Marshydro FC4000-evo's I have. I think I'd need to be a better grower to utilize more expensive lights. The best golf clubs still won't let me whack a ball like Tiger can.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

bandit recommended Grandmaster LEd to me when I was looking for Blue lights. I bought a pair of their 450nm booster bars. Their lights look good but have been out of my price range. I'm happy with the Marshydro FC4000-evo's I have. I think I'd need to be a better grower to utilize more expensive lights. The best golf clubs still won't let me whack a ball like Tiger can.

That makes sense! I have time to research and decide. So, with patience, I might even catch some sale prices. It would be nice to have something nice to grow into as I gain experience. Those Evos sound like great lights. I've definitely come across a lot of people who love them.

You're right about the GrandMaster lights being pricey. I don't know if it'll happen again, but I seen people mention getting catching some good sale prices.

Honestly, I was expecting much less from the HPS/MH lights. What I'm seeing, so far, makes purchasing a new light less urgent. I'm still in the "amazed I can grow anything resembling weed" phase, lol. I have a lot to learn and have seen enough to recognize there's a lot more to it than the lights.

Do you know of anyone on Bud Builders who uses the lights from GrandMaster LEDs? I'm curious if anyone here has firsthand opinions to share.