Great White Shark Attack

[Stoneyluv]

hey ganja fans!!

i'm wasting no time and getting another round started right now and this is the begining of the journey!!

here's all the skinny and a great song that describes how i got this far...

the lights:

two(2) California Light Works Solarsystem 550 programable spectrum LED (1st gen)
currently set to 30% power and thin on the reds.. week 1 day 1



the setup:

a DIY two plant site 25 gallon RDWC hydroponic system with a 30 gallon top off barrel and automated level float. pH is controlled by a bluelabs doser and air is supplied from an alita air pump. also a heater and chiller depending on what is needed.

this is also a SCROG setup using a wire screen table that is 42" x 35" the screen will be lowered later on when flipped to flower.



the nutrients:

I'll be using the GH trio lineup and supporting additives. i will not be using the floralicious after this, i'm just out of Mr. Humic and will have more in a couple days. here's what i used and the recipe right now.. lower is at 200ppm and upper is 240ppm. when i say lower i mean my rez and when i say upper i mean my top off barrel.



the genetics:

two clones of Great White Shark.





this is the mom...



the start:

here they are at the beginning on the first day with their baby shark roots!!!!!!



I'll post photos of their progress along the way and fill the rest in with a whole lotta fluff, fun, and food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for lookin in everybody!!!!!!!!!!!

Fins UP!!!!! ( a splash from the past )

 

[Zen_seeker]

 

[Stoneyluv]

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i was hoping there would be shark jokes!!!!

i pretty much chose these clones because of the artwork.. my choices were these, fruity pebbles, and Roswell Code that SSHZ gifted me. he said he wasn't impressed with the flavor at all and said he would never grow it again and he likes some of the same strains i do so i took his recommendations on it and steered away. the structure on the plants well favored a scrog better though.

the fruity pebbles clones i still have, we can swap em out if ya want? i'll do it.. hell i changed the title of the last thread four times till i hit a winner!! hahaha i'm just joking.. but seriously i;ll do it!!! the leca balls are kinda like fruity pebbles!! hahaha...

heres early on bud shots of each of the three...

GWS.. (notice the super early trics forming!!!)


Roswell Code...


and fruity pebbles...


i mean man i got clones of all three yet... we can swap it it up... it's not too late!!!!



but if we stay with the great white shark i got more art to hang.... C'mon, let hear the hammerhead jokes!! hahaha



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shark tales #1 .. left shark was a little droopy today.. i hand top watered her today and few hours later she picked he leaf back off the lid so i'll probably do this a couple times a day for couple days till the roots take hold.



have a great weekend everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zen_seeker]

I was looking for a real shark vid with the song dubbed but it’s late…

 

[Bandit420]

You're gonna need a bigger boat

 

[Bandit420]

This seems like a good time to think back to the unforgettable Oscar worthy acting performances Joey Logano and Brad K delivered in Sharknado 3

 

[Stoneyluv]

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I was looking for a real shark vid with the song dubbed but it’s late…

up until now i have never heard the baby shark song... i've heard it's terrorized parents!! i can understand why!!!!

You're gonna need a bigger boat

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gonna need a bigger bucket too!!!! hahaha

we got ruutz!!

This seems like a good time to think back to the unforgettable Oscar worthy acting performances Joey Logano and Brad K delivered in Sharknado 3

ah man that thing ate faglowski!!!! hahaha i never made it to the third episode of that series... i tried..

i like when drivers get bits in movies!! my favorite has got to be Earnhardt in baseketball!! hahaha

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almost a week in and no issues. i haven't really done anything other than raise the water level. the roots were taking their sweet ol time so i raised up the water level and in a day and a half they responded!! as they grow i'll slowly pour it back into the top off barrel.

once they shift into second gear i'm going to top them.. a few days at most. clones don't play games!



hoping i don't need to add any heat.. cabinet is sealed and it's getting up to 74°. i could turn the fan on and draw heat from the dark side cabinet but i have the rh at 40% in there and 60% in this cabinet.. btw, i need a new name for this cabinet.. dagabah just doesn't fit the shark theme..

 

[Stoneyluv]

something i forgot to mention.. each day i have been doing the @Observer root trim technique on these and they're loving it!!!

before and after..



i still have the mom plant to these.. my neighbor says tomorrow.. yeah right!! haha i still have the clones too... hahaha i don't know what to do with them, hard for me to kill plants.. they still look good for a tray with a puddle of water in it!!!!






happy friday and have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Observer]

something i forgot to mention.. each day i have been doing the @Observer root trim technique on these and they're loving it!!!

before and after..

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i still have the mom plant to these.. my neighbor says tomorrow.. yeah right!! haha i still have the clones too... hahaha i don't know what to do with them, hard for me to kill plants.. they still look good for a tray with a puddle of water in it!!!!

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happy friday and have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stoked to hear someone taking my research/experiments and applying it to their grows and having satisfying results.

Basically same concept as topping the branches, promoting lateral growth shoots.

As Above, So Below.

Glad to help experiment and teach my self and others.

Thank you!


P.S: one possible problem I could see with that tech is sterility of the cutting tool, from my time trying it I was not very sterile besides what was in my irrigation solution.

But i suppose it only needs to be done a few times to encourage/start making the roots branch out more at the start.

I don't want one long strand of root when can I split it and encourage it to bush out.

Once you get away from soil, you have more control and more importance on controlling the root zone = better overall and efficient growth, obviously.

Less barriers straight to the plants Mechanisms.

 

[Observer]

The root density on the after looks a little more, at least towards the center, which is what i wanted to encourage.

they seem to "dense" out, then grow 'long" again, when I trimmed again, the same pattern emerged, lateral, then longitundal, the same pattern also emerges when one "tops" the branches.

but this also correlates with the water pattern environment, for the root zone.

Ik urs is in dwc, where as mine was sprayed or misted with water.

But the same root growth encouragement mechanism is there.

 

[Observer]

"Once you know how a system works, you can manipulate it"

 

[Stoneyluv]

wow i didn't realize it's been so long since i posted here.. thought i responded to those messages above. i know i did in my head!! haha sorry Ob's!!! i didn't mean to leave ya hangin like that!!!! but yes, i fully agree with you on all that. i figured if i want the tops to lok a certain way that needs to start with the roots, not the other way around and after seeing the success Grump had with trimming his roots just the same as you did i thought well it sure can't hurt to try!!

i'm going to trim them back once more i thing. each time i do, the roots branch out some more and fill in the thin spots. almost just like the tops do when we prune and lst.

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i've been still struggling with my nutes. specifically getting it where the plants are happy. i've been too low t start then i went too high and now i'm back in the middle again and the last 48 hours have been the best so far but still not right and still not what i want!!!

i torched them on the 13th with K poisoning not paying attention to my doser and i don't have any safety checks or alarms turned on and i overdosed my plants with ph up. and on top of that i realized my ec pen was off by 140ppms and calibrated it. n clue how long its been wrong either..

they've been recovering but still not happy and healthy plants!!! i'm seriously considering changing nutes. i'm currently using the trio and all three. i think i'd like to try the lucas formula where i just use two of the three parts and just never use the green veg nutes part of them. the ratios are so much easier to hit and adjust. it's said that lucas is better for those using tap water like me and not RO, so maybe this will be more stable for me.

my other option is to go back to the nova stuff.. sicky and brown but worked.. i also have some jacks nutes from a decade ago.. not sure what to do.. right now i'm on trio and calmag at 350ppms. the past 48 have been the best yet so i'll let it ride till it's not working and if that only last a couple days i'll prolly shoot for lucas formula..

my rollercoaster mess....



the plants...







thoughts? concerns? advice?

i really felt confident starting out a couple weeks ago and now i just feel like a lost puppy yet once again..

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"Once you know how a system works, you can manipulate it"

i'm trying man... this stuff is so humbling!!!!!!!!!!!! most of the time if just makes my brain hurt, the rest of the time it makes my wallet hurt!!! haha

just wish i understood even a tiny bit of the chemistry so that i had a starting point to even learn but i'm just throwing darts for past year and half and honestly makes me feel stupid that i can't figure it out!

i don't know, if i can't get it straight here in a couple days i'm gonna try throwing more expensive darts and see if that helps.

 

[Observer]

wow i didn't realize it's been so long since i posted here.. thought i responded to those messages above. i know i did in my head!! haha sorry Ob's!!! i didn't mean to leave ya hangin like that!!!! but yes, i fully agree with you on all that. i figured if i want the tops to lok a certain way that needs to start with the roots, not the other way around and after seeing the success Grump had with trimming his roots just the same as you did i thought well it sure can't hurt to try!!

i'm going to trim them back once more i thing. each time i do, the roots branch out some more and fill in the thin spots. almost just like the tops do when we prune and lst.

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i've been still struggling with my nutes. specifically getting it where the plants are happy. i've been too low t start then i went too high and now i'm back in the middle again and the last 48 hours have been the best so far but still not right and still not what i want!!!

i torched them on the 13th with K poisoning not paying attention to my doser and i don't have any safety checks or alarms turned on and i overdosed my plants with ph up. and on top of that i realized my ec pen was off by 140ppms and calibrated it. n clue how long its been wrong either..

they've been recovering but still not happy and healthy plants!!! i'm seriously considering changing nutes. i'm currently using the trio and all three. i think i'd like to try the lucas formula where i just use two of the three parts and just never use the green veg nutes part of them. the ratios are so much easier to hit and adjust. it's said that lucas is better for those using tap water like me and not RO, so maybe this will be more stable for me.

my other option is to go back to the nova stuff.. sicky and brown but worked.. i also have some jacks nutes from a decade ago.. not sure what to do.. right now i'm on trio and calmag at 350ppms. the past 48 have been the best yet so i'll let it ride till it's not working and if that only last a couple days i'll prolly shoot for lucas formula..

my rollercoaster mess....

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the plants...

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thoughts? concerns? advice?

i really felt confident starting out a couple weeks ago and now i just feel like a lost puppy yet once again..

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i'm trying man... this stuff is so humbling!!!!!!!!!!!! most of the time if just makes my brain hurt, the rest of the time it makes my wallet hurt!!! haha

just wish i understood even a tiny bit of the chemistry so that i had a starting point to even learn but i'm just throwing darts for past year and half and honestly makes me feel stupid that i can't figure it out!

i don't know, if i can't get it straight here in a couple days i'm gonna try throwing more expensive darts and see if that helps.

I'd love to help if my limited knowledge permits it.

You should be able to use the trio just fine and get some nice buds, changing nutrients shouldn't affect anything besides changing the nutrient ratios.

 

[Observer]

In veg I like to run a higher nitrogen/calcium ratio but are we talking with RO water or tap water that's already loaded with 200 ppms, that definitely go into the math of the ratios.

 

[Observer]

If you would like I can spend some time to more familiarize my self with the General Hydroponics trio, and what may be needed to properly diagnose those nutrient problems. (It's my passion, I'm bored lol)

Besides to any other issues, I can at least try to focus on that aspect.

 

[Observer]

Whats your ph staying at?

 

[Observer]

A basic off the top of my head would be to reduce the other 1 or 2 bottles, Increasing nitrogen, calcium, magnesium and other micro nutrients.

 

[Observer]

I've used Jack's but not GH

 

[Stoneyluv]

I'd love to help if my limited knowledge permits it.

You should be able to use the trio just fine and get some nice buds, changing nutrients shouldn't affect anything besides changing the nutrient ratios.

In veg I like to run a higher nitrogen/calcium ratio but are we talking with RO water or tap water that's already loaded with 200 ppms, that definitely go into the math of the ratios.

what i don't understand is if i mix up the solutions in a barrel or the system without plants it will sit there for weeks and never drift once. the very moment i put roots in the water the ph drops like stone day after day. so to keep up with this i use a bluelabs ph doser. i have it set for 5.8 and it just pumps in the up as needed. between dec 4th and dec 8th it pumped in over 6oz of up without me realizing it (again, i have the safeties shut off)

i can pump that very same liquid from my rez to a container without plants in it and it never changes for weeks!

so to my pea brain knowledge it tells me that the plants are making this happen. plus it doesn't happen till the roots touch the water. eventually they grow out of it and start acting normal and everything starts clicking.. at least it did last time. i truly think they're close to that size right now and only acting better over the past 48 hours just because they're growing out of this stage and not because i'm fixing it.

for some reason i really struggle at week three through week six of veg. before then and after then things seem to click along just normal.

but again, today was the best so far, ph dove the least, barely used any up today and it even read 5.9 so that tells me the same amount of up it's been adding is working stronger on it.

AND.. dude i got so many "ands" for the past two weeks.. i've been all over the place with with it like a hot mess.. anyway... when i made this most current solution i did not add ANY buffer to it. just calmag and a 1/4 dose strength and trio. mixed this at the very lowest ratio posted on the chart.

so on dec 9th was when i saw the burn. i dumped the whole system and mixed the above nutes. it was 530ppm ( this was before i knew my meter was off) then on the 13th things were still spiraling downwards so i watered down the solution to 420ppm and while i was doing this realized my pen was off. calibrated and measured it at 420ppm. and added a full dose of mr fulvic. for the next two days the ppms went up and the ph went down. on monday i then watered it down some more to 350ppm. since then it has used the least amount of ph down yet so far. not staedy but not drinking ph up like gatorade.

and this entire time they have not been drinking much volume at all, they're pretty small so i wouldn't expect more than a pint a day from both.

they haven't stopped growing at all so i'm hoping they just snap out it soon.

tis is what i was reading that caught my attention... https://hackingthegrow.com/best-hydro-nutrients/

 

[Observer]

what i don't understand is if i mix up the solutions in a barrel or the system without plants it will sit there for weeks and never drift once. the very moment i put roots in the water the ph drops like stone day after day. so to keep up with this i use a bluelabs ph doser. i have it set for 5.8 and it just pumps in the up as needed. between dec 4th and dec 8th it pumped in over 6oz of up without me realizing it (again, i have the safeties shut off)

i can pump that very same liquid from my rez to a container without plants in it and it never changes for weeks!

so to my pea brain knowledge it tells me that the plants are making this happen. plus it doesn't happen till the roots touch the water. eventually they grow out of it and start acting normal and everything starts clicking.. at least it did last time. i truly think they're close to that size right now and only acting better over the past 48 hours just because they're growing out of this stage and not because i'm fixing it.

the plants do adjust the pH around their rhizosphere, and the exudates also affect this, till it stabilizes.

for some reason i really struggle at week three through week six of veg. before then and after then things seem to click along just normal.

but again, today was the best so far, ph dove the least, barely used any up today and it even read 5.9 so that tells me the same amount of up it's been adding is working stronger on it.

AND.. dude i got so many "ands" for the past two weeks.. i've been all over the place with with it like a hot mess.. anyway... when i made this most current solution i did not add ANY buffer to it. just calmag and a 1/4 dose strength and trio. mixed this at the very lowest ratio posted on the chart.

so on dec 9th was when i saw the burn. i dumped the whole system and mixed the above nutes. it was 530ppm ( this was before i knew my meter was off) then on the 13th things were still spiraling downwards so i watered down the solution to 420ppm and while i was doing this realized my pen was off. calibrated and measured it at 420ppm. and added a full dose of mr fulvic. for the next two days the ppms went up and the ph went down. on monday i then watered it down some more to 350ppm. since then it has used the least amount of ph down yet so far. not staedy but not drinking ph up like gatorade.

and this entire time they have not been drinking much volume at all, they're pretty small so i wouldn't expect more than a pint a day from both.

they haven't stopped growing at all so i'm hoping they just snap out it soon.

tis is what i was reading that caught my attention... https://hackingthegrow.com/best-hydro-nutrients/

 

[Observer]

ill digest more information and get back to you.

 

[Observer]

Moe and aqua left big shoes to fill lol

 

[Observer]

One thing stuck out, you mentioned you started your ratios off with calmag, maybe not specifically, but im analsying the word choice before the others.

that makes me think, what are you starting off with?

Basic NPK ratio, and then supplements as needed.

Or did I look into that wrong

 

[Observer]

The plants are a living organism, like not just cells but cells with a "conscious"

They can change and manipulate their environment too.

Reaching a "equilibrium" perhaps as nature tends to do so.

We can "biohack" and engineer so much.

 

[Observer]

I love hypotheising and theorizing.

Then experiment, validate & confirm.

 

[Observer]

We operate and manufacture around these variables.

Min/Max

 

[Observer]

Fulvic acid could make them more sensitive perhaps, or able to consume more nutrients. Then a bottleneck occurs elsewhere perhaps.

 

[Observer]

Just "brainstorming"

 

[Stoneyluv]

the plants do adjust the pH around their rhizosphere, and the exudates also affect this, till it stabilizes.

for some reason i really believe it has to do with this. i just don't have enough times under my belt to try enough things to narrow it down yet. i know all the things i have eliminated and just keep trying new things each time.

so much seems to point at too much bubble (co2 poison) but i have checked and i'm not out of bounds or anywhere near that.

ill digest more information and get back to you.

i wouldn't sweat it too much, i'm not... i really believe they're about to grow out of it any day now.. and if not, hey i still have all the clones yet!!! hahaha



been giving them the exact same solution from my top off barrel.. just dip in a beaker and pour it into a tray with a heat mat under it. i don't ph anything with these clones... nothing.. pour and ignore!!!

kinda like my neighbors plant... yep, i still got it!!! ahahahaha he says this weekend he's gonna take it. i actually believe him this time though. see his wife is going out to CA to visit her kids and he's staying at home with the dogs so i think he's gonna put up a tent and put the plant in and do it all while his wife is away so she can't say no.. what;s she gonna do make him throw out a four foot plant,, no way!!! i think it's slick!! i'll help him!! hahahaha

things a monster though... not bad for a 200 watt CLW at only 50%!!!!!!!!!! no joke and i'm not kidding!!!! 100 watts of osram diodes kicking serious ass!!



and i have this to look forward to... a great white shark i have in flower right now.. i want a full table scrog full!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moe and aqua left big shoes to fill lol

man it goes deeper than that... i know i'm silly in thinking this but i'm gonna be honest i feel a little like the kiss of death. Aqua helped me a bunch one on one and left right after that. like literally days after.. then Moe helped me a ton one on one for a while and then left promptly..

please don't help me too much man... i really like having you here and don't want you to leave too!!!!!

One thing stuck out, you mentioned you started your ratios off with calmag, maybe not specifically, but im analsying the word choice before the others.

that makes me think, what are you starting off with?

Basic NPK ratio, and then supplements as needed.

Or did I look into that wrong

not sure exactly what you mean but my mixing regiment has been:

fill barrel with water (about 40-50ppms, i call it 50) or rain water at 0ppms. since it's winter i'd like to use my tap water at 50ppm

so, 1. fill barrel with water
2. add buffer and then reduce ph to 7.0 to eliminate any precipitation.
3. add cal/mag
4. add floramicro
5. add florabloom
6. add floragrow
7. mr Fulvic
8. great white or Orca

but this very last time i skipped step 2. i figured if i was adding up all the time why even start with a bunch to begin with if it's not buffering anything anyway. i've been using Balance as buffer though before that.

i'd like to add rapid start but i'd just be wasting it right now with all the dumping and diluting i'm doing so i'm not going to use it until i know i have a handle on this.

 

[Observer]

for some reason i really believe it has to do with this. i just don't have enough times under my belt to try enough things to narrow it down yet. i know all the things i have eliminated and just keep trying new things each time.

so much seems to point at too much bubble (co2 poison) but i have checked and i'm not out of bounds or anywhere near that.



i wouldn't sweat it too much, i'm not... i really believe they're about to grow out of it any day now.. and if not, hey i still have all the clones yet!!! hahaha

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been giving them the exact same solution from my top off barrel.. just dip in a beaker and pour it into a tray with a heat mat under it. i don't ph anything with these clones... nothing.. pour and ignore!!!

kinda like my neighbors plant... yep, i still got it!!! ahahahaha he says this weekend he's gonna take it. i actually believe him this time though. see his wife is going out to CA to visit her kids and he's staying at home with the dogs so i think he's gonna put up a tent and put the plant in and do it all while his wife is away so she can't say no.. what;s she gonna do make him throw out a four foot plant,, no way!!! i think it's slick!! i'll help him!! hahahaha

things a monster though... not bad for a 200 watt CLW at only 50%!!!!!!!!!! no joke and i'm not kidding!!!! 100 watts of osram diodes kicking serious ass!!

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and i have this to look forward to... a great white shark i have in flower right now.. i want a full table scrog full!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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man it goes deeper than that... i know i'm silly in thinking this but i'm gonna be honest i feel a little like the kiss of death. Aqua helped me a bunch one on one and left right after that. like literally days after.. then Moe helped me a ton one on one for a while and then left promptly..

please don't help me too much man... i really like having you here and don't want you to leave too!!!!!



not sure exactly what you mean but my mixing regiment has been:

fill barrel with water (about 40-50ppms, i call it 50) or rain water at 0ppms. since it's winter i'd like to use my tap water at 50ppm

so, 1. fill barrel with water
2. add buffer and then reduce ph to 7.0 to eliminate any precipitation.
3. add cal/mag
4. add floramicro
5. add florabloom
6. add floragrow
7. mr Fulvic
8. great white or Orca

but this very last time i skipped step 2. i figured if i was adding up all the time why even start with a bunch to begin with if it's not buffering anything anyway. i've been using Balance as buffer though before that.

i'd like to add rapid start but i'd just be wasting it right now with all the dumping and diluting i'm doing so i'm not going to use it until i know i have a handle on this.

i think you need to start with grow/micro then add bloom as needed, then add calmag if the plants show signs they need it.

perspective & context, your starting with your buffer which is fine, but then going to calmag? plants need basic NPK so start with that, then add supplements, i could be wrong but thats HOW IM SEEING it.

in short, VEG is = NPK + "supplements"
but your "starting" or giving your plants calmag dosage, and then "calculating/adding NPK" to balance and compensate.

you need to start with NPK then add supplements to compensate.

i could be wrong but this is one way im seeing it. and besides any other issues like a few months ago when plants had a giga-hard times growing in ur DWC spot without any obvious reasons we all stuggled figuring out the exact cause? idk. i cant speak to that.

idk im just trying to help and offer thought-logical process. and perspective/context.

bloom/flower = MPK + "supplements"