Great White Shark Attack

[Observer]

Ok I'm looking at this might of found one issue.

""You cannot add NPK numbers linearly unless each part contributes equal nitrogen mass, which they do not"

Sorry had to go do something

Brb

 

[Stoneyluv]

Fasting has become incredibly popular these days...

i wish i knew when they were going to all of the sudden stop eating and drinking out of nowhere.

what could cause them to stop eating so fast? i didn't change a thing.. my top off is a litte higher at 380 but they only drank a gallon or so in the past week, no way adding one gallon to the rez did that. they caused this by fasting. so what they hell made them irritable this time??

Ok I'm looking at this might of found one issue.

""You cannot add NPK numbers linearly unless each part contributes equal nitrogen mass, which they do not"

i'm not sure i understand your post... i didn't add any NPK. i was just monitoring,, that PPM rose from the plants, i didn't add that.

 

[steamroller]

What is your pH doing?
This chart would be my reference for correction.

It seems like you should be lowering the EC of the res.
Can this be as simple as removing X and replacing with just plain water?

Does it seem like they are doing the same thing as before now that no one could figure out?

 

[Bandit420]

i wish i knew when they were going to all of the sudden stop eating and drinking out of nowhere.

what could cause them to stop eating so fast? i didn't change a thing.. my top off is a litte higher at 380 but they only drank a gallon or so in the past week, no way adding one gallon to the rez did that. they caused this by fasting. so what they hell made them irritable this time??




i'm not sure i understand your post... i didn't add any NPK. i was just monitoring,, that PPM rose from the plants, i didn't add that.

I believe what you're experiencing are the results of the roller coaster you describe in this post and have just kinda piled on and gotten worse...

wow i didn't realize it's been so long since i posted here.. thought i responded to those messages above. i know i did in my head!! haha sorry Ob's!!! i didn't mean to leave ya hangin like that!!!! but yes, i fully agree with you on all that. i figured if i want the tops to lok a certain way that needs to start with the roots, not the other way around and after seeing the success Grump had with trimming his roots just the same as you did i thought well it sure can't hurt to try!!

i'm going to trim them back once more i thing. each time i do, the roots branch out some more and fill in the thin spots. almost just like the tops do when we prune and lst.

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i've been still struggling with my nutes. specifically getting it where the plants are happy. i've been too low t start then i went too high and now i'm back in the middle again and the last 48 hours have been the best so far but still not right and still not what i want!!!

i torched them on the 13th with K poisoning not paying attention to my doser and i don't have any safety checks or alarms turned on and i overdosed my plants with ph up. and on top of that i realized my ec pen was off by 140ppms and calibrated it. n clue how long its been wrong either..

they've been recovering but still not happy and healthy plants!!! i'm seriously considering changing nutes. i'm currently using the trio and all three. i think i'd like to try the lucas formula where i just use two of the three parts and just never use the green veg nutes part of them. the ratios are so much easier to hit and adjust. it's said that lucas is better for those using tap water like me and not RO, so maybe this will be more stable for me.

my other option is to go back to the nova stuff.. sicky and brown but worked.. i also have some jacks nutes from a decade ago.. not sure what to do.. right now i'm on trio and calmag at 350ppms. the past 48 have been the best yet so i'll let it ride till it's not working and if that only last a couple days i'll prolly shoot for lucas formula..

my rollercoaster mess....

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the plants...

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thoughts? concerns? advice?

i really felt confident starting out a couple weeks ago and now i just feel like a lost puppy yet once again..

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i'm trying man... this stuff is so humbling!!!!!!!!!!!! most of the time if just makes my brain hurt, the rest of the time it makes my wallet hurt!!! haha

just wish i understood even a tiny bit of the chemistry so that i had a starting point to even learn but i'm just throwing darts for past year and half and honestly makes me feel stupid that i can't figure it out!

i don't know, if i can't get it straight here in a couple days i'm gonna try throwing more expensive darts and see if that helps.

for some reason i really believe it has to do with this. i just don't have enough times under my belt to try enough things to narrow it down yet. i know all the things i have eliminated and just keep trying new things each time.

so much seems to point at too much bubble (co2 poison) but i have checked and i'm not out of bounds or anywhere near that.



i wouldn't sweat it too much, i'm not... i really believe they're about to grow out of it any day now.. and if not, hey i still have all the clones yet!!! hahaha

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been giving them the exact same solution from my top off barrel.. just dip in a beaker and pour it into a tray with a heat mat under it. i don't ph anything with these clones... nothing.. pour and ignore!!!

kinda like my neighbors plant... yep, i still got it!!! ahahahaha he says this weekend he's gonna take it. i actually believe him this time though. see his wife is going out to CA to visit her kids and he's staying at home with the dogs so i think he's gonna put up a tent and put the plant in and do it all while his wife is away so she can't say no.. what;s she gonna do make him throw out a four foot plant,, no way!!! i think it's slick!! i'll help him!! hahahaha

things a monster though... not bad for a 200 watt CLW at only 50%!!!!!!!!!! no joke and i'm not kidding!!!! 100 watts of osram diodes kicking serious ass!!

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and i have this to look forward to... a great white shark i have in flower right now.. i want a full table scrog full!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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man it goes deeper than that... i know i'm silly in thinking this but i'm gonna be honest i feel a little like the kiss of death. Aqua helped me a bunch one on one and left right after that. like literally days after.. then Moe helped me a ton one on one for a while and then left promptly..

please don't help me too much man... i really like having you here and don't want you to leave too!!!!!



not sure exactly what you mean but my mixing regiment has been:

fill barrel with water (about 40-50ppms, i call it 50) or rain water at 0ppms. since it's winter i'd like to use my tap water at 50ppm

so, 1. fill barrel with water
2. add buffer and then reduce ph to 7.0 to eliminate any precipitation.
3. add cal/mag
4. add floramicro
5. add florabloom
6. add floragrow
7. mr Fulvic
8. great white or Orca

but this very last time i skipped step 2. i figured if i was adding up all the time why even start with a bunch to begin with if it's not buffering anything anyway. i've been using Balance as buffer though before that.

i'd like to add rapid start but i'd just be wasting it right now with all the dumping and diluting i'm doing so i'm not going to use it until i know i have a handle on this.

I've stayed on the outside watching and don't wanna step on any toes but I'd give a different go at this recipe....
Fill barrel with water
Add the nutes in prescribed order by GH.
Do not add Mr. Fulvic or GW or Orca. Keep it 100% synthetic at this stage. Maybe not sterile but definitely synthetic

Let it all mix for about an hour and then check and adjust the pH little by little to the desired range. The goal is to use as little adjuster/buffer as possible and only use a single direction, never chasing it up and down. Give about 15 minutes with pump running between the adjustments to make sure all is mixed well.

IDK if that will work for you but it works great for me. Personally, adjusters used in quantity like what you do have cause havoc with the chemistry for me which is why I'm so reluctant to use them

 

[Observer]

i wish i knew when they were going to all of the sudden stop eating and drinking out of nowhere.

what could cause them to stop eating so fast? i didn't change a thing.. my top off is a litte higher at 380 but they only drank a gallon or so in the past week, no way adding one gallon to the rez did that. they caused this by fasting. so what they hell made them irritable this time??




i'm not sure i understand your post... i didn't add any NPK. i was just monitoring,, that PPM rose from the plants, i didn't add that.

i wish i knew when they were going to all of the sudden stop eating and drinking out of nowhere.

what could cause them to stop eating so fast? i didn't change a thing.. my top off is a litte higher at 380 but they only drank a gallon or so in the past week, no way adding one gallon to the rez did that. they caused this by fasting. so what they hell made them irritable this time??




i'm not sure i understand your post... i didn't add any NPK. i was just monitoring,, that PPM rose from the plants, i didn't add that.

No no no

The context about adding up the ratio maths between the nutrient bottles.

Not actually adding npk to the res

I think alot of things get lost in context

We forget

It's okay

I just wanna help and learn and assess the scenario and see if there's anything we are understanding wrong or not interpreting the data "correctly"