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GoodShit97 said:
I grew the 3 WW freebies they sent me and all 3 were fantastic. Seedsman has pretty decent genetics, and they are pretty cheap too.
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Yeah 👍 I suspect they have some of the well circulating stuff done well. I think it's better to get (2) known identical cut and turn one into a male then breeding it to itself again if you're looking for longer term stocks that are consistent and uniform

Cross breeding with a few other cultivars for the win... Micro dose your pollen only on lower nodes and still enjoying a full harvest of bud

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Franksta said:
Yeah 👍 I suspect they have some of the well circulating stuff done well. I think it's better to get (2) known identical cut and turn one into a male then breeding it to itself again if you're looking for longer term stocks that are consistent and uniform

Cross breeding with a few other cultivars for the win... Micro dose your pollen only on lower nodes and still enjoying a full harvest of bud

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I might do this with one of my keepers next time i flower it. Just get some pollen and dust some lowers. You saying that reversing a female gets you the best results in terms of pollen?
 
ZombieRider said:
I might do this with one of my keepers next time i flower it. Just get some pollen and dust some lowers. You saying that reversing a female gets you the best results in terms of pollen?
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You can use a tiny branch that's mature and dab it but you only need a few sacs if you don't want it full of seeds. Or use a swab. Earlier is better if you can get the pollen lined up before the flip...

You want fully ripe seeds by the time the dope is ripe.... If the seeds are ahead of the curve the plants will finish well with budset....

Then you'll just have seeds at the base of the node in the same place everytime. Below the buds instead of in it...


These were kinda full but not terrible much

Purple punch x gorilla glue x GDP
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ZombieRider said:
I might do this with one of my keepers next time i flower it. Just get some pollen and dust some lowers. You saying that reversing a female gets you the best results in terms of pollen?
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Best in terms of female and an exact duplicate of a particular strain cut.... And consistent seed results... Ie less pheno expression. Or duplicate the same thing.... Again and again...

It's just basic isolation but I wouldn't take it generations onto itself again. I would start with the clones everytime. Don't allow any 🧬 drift

The biggest 🗝️ here is having a known entity of clone for starters
 
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It's worth saying I think cross phenotypes of known clones and landraces are really interesting to consider.... They really throw out some interesting variety and vigorous results

Chasing fems is the way I approach stuff unless you have a vetted male which is pretty damn difficult to isolate correctly
 
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GoodShit97 said:
I was looking at a few of their peyote strains last time i ordered. I guess ill have to grab some down the road
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Yeah man so far seedsman has some really good beans. Im thinking its a collab with some well known breeder that isnt named :p.
 
Franksta said:
It's worth saying I think cross phenotypes of known clones and landraces are really interesting to consider.... They really throw out some interesting variety and vigorous results

Chasing fems is the way I approach stuff unless you have a vetted male which is pretty damn difficult to isolate correctly
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Sup bro. Interesting stuff. I thought that you had to hunt through the pheno's of a selfed female to find the ones with consistent phenotypic variation. Didnt know they came out pretty similar. Makes sense then that crossing 2 different strains causes more variations then than selfing.

So if i selfed my 1 keeper strain and got seeds...what percentage would be exactly like their momma?
 
ZombieRider said:
Sup bro. Interesting stuff. I thought that you had to hunt through the pheno's of a selfed female to find the ones with consistent phenotypic variation. Didnt know they came out pretty similar. Makes sense then that crossing 2 different strains causes more variations then than selfing.

So if i selfed my 1 keeper strain and got seeds...what percentage would be exactly like their momma?
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100% is going to be the same, or very close to that. keep in mind that every female is different and have several different pheno expression that are locked up inside but not expressing themselves in the current iteration

They are simply being kept in a very specific expression through the cloning process

100% of (all) the variables for the specific strain in question



In my experience could be as many as six or seven variables but they should be pretty much similar. Could be little as two or three perhaps in some cases


When you do it with something else, you get all those from both sides and everything else in-between. However results most closely resemble the specific strain that is physically producing the seeds.... Over the converted pollen
 
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Keep in mind genetics drift (evolve or unwinding) over time. I've used some cuts that have been in circulation for upwards of twenty five years and they certainly have changed over time. Not the same exact plant. Unless they are growing in consistently similar environment, with a standard nutritional regimen

Keeping the original mother can help in this regard also. Clipping a clipping over and over is going to have implications over time IMO
 
I see most of the guys (who breed) on the commercial end of cannabis are using the same techniques. At least the ones with anything on the ball IMO. There's not many of them


They appear to be the driving force behind diversity IMO with the newest stuff emerging


I know this is a divisive subject and everyone has a opinions about best methods. This is essentially the short easy way of turning out new variety and cleaning up the older lines

Tissue culture would probably be better but exceedingly difficult for the average stoner
 
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ZombieRider said:
Finally harvested this Peyote Wifi. Really diggin the terps on this one, crazy calyx formation too. View attachment 13766
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Yeah sweet job


So I think it's worth looking at what you're end goal for the seed is... If you're looking for next season seeds or hunting out something interesting or original... Verses hunting out the best out of the bunch and clone it....

The stinkiest stronger phenotype might be more inconsistent. But if it's isolated, and readily available, it's not difficult to propagate


Consistently can bleed into the ordinary again. Especially if it's not hunted into another generation

Seems like to me that good seed runs have a little element of random luck involved. Some results are lacking, some promising, and a few knock it out there. But doing a good job with the run and ensuring full maturity is critical to variability % rates, and plant vigor ECT
 
Franksta said:
I see most of the guys (who breed) on the commercial end of cannabis are using the same techniques. At least the ones with anything on the ball IMO. There's not many of them


They appear to be the driving force behind diversity IMO with the newest stuff emerging


I know this is a divisive subject and everyone has a opinions about best methods. This is essentially the short easy way of turning out new variety and cleaning up the older lines

Tissue culture would probably be better but exceedingly difficult for the average stoner
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BudGoodman was into tissue culture his grow methods never changed, just dank buds only.
 
IMO if the sugar leaves don’t curl from Trichome Rails/Frost my grow failed or the strain did and is kicked out of the stable??

I’m sure someone that knows breeding might think differently about strains I have kicked to the curb but breeding definitely is not in my wheelhouse.
 
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