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I’ve only ever sexed plants in veg. I was taught it’s no good to force plants to show by inducing flowering. This is bro science but it’s how I was taught. Just like the whole pick the latest showing male is bro science. The only way to tell a good male is to run the offspring. Imo.

I don’t think really care about any of the drama just seems silly to call out a herm when it’s just a early male.

I’ve run a lot of seeds at this point and a bunch of clone only, pretty much anything will herm if you treat it bad especially in the later half of flower. It’s a survival mechanism thats allowed cannabis to survive till now.

Some of the best strains have come from accidental herms

I’ve only seen one plant that had male and female parts in veg.
 
Amnesia said:
Sorry to ask, but what is "pollen chucking"?
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It basically means you put a male and a female together and let it just happen. You get the seeds and sell them.
Really good breeders will test their seeds before they sell them. Many years ago they would back cross to the parents and the diversity from one seed to another was not like it is today.
 
Bandit420 said:
I've seen my fair share of weirdy plants come thru the room but I've never seen a male throw balls in veg. That screams Rudy to me and I don't want Rudy in my crops at all. Some like autos and I know there are some good ones out they're but they're not for me.
I have had freebie auto seeds that were actually phototropic but never the other way around. That's some reckless pollen chucking IMO.

Males are more eager to flower than a female. A little trick I use to get them to show is go 30-36 hours dark at flip. Males will show in 3 days or less while ladies still take 10-14 days to show. It gives more than enough time to cull males before the flowers open.

Only males I've ever kept are the fellas that spit trichs on their balls. He's a stud at that point IMO.
And then I don't even keep the whole plant. I select the best flowers from that male, cut them, and put them in a vase just like people do with cut roses. They'll stay alive for up to 2-3 weeks in vase and unload a ton of pollen.
Then I do selective breeding, matching flowers to flowers, or colas to colas so the pollen hitting the lady is from a trichy male cola rather than just some random flower off the male. I basically go with the idea that sexy flowers produce sexy offspring ;)
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This is exactly my thoughts on the subject. It is acting like an auto, being sold as a photo.

Perhaps hermi is the wrong term, but the results are the same - crap genetics.
 
Moe.Red said:
This is exactly my thoughts on the subject. It is acting like an auto, being sold as a photo.

Perhaps hermi is the wrong term, but the results are the same - crap genetics.
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Most of my experience has been through cloning having worked in LGO's but growing from seed, I've never had a plant sex in veg.

I'm no botanist but from the little I do know sexing in veg like that is more than likely releasing the seeds before they've been properly stabilized by the breeder.
 
Moe.Red said:
Perhaps hermi is the wrong term, but the results are the same - crap genetics.
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Ive only had 1 herm seed until recent, and it was an auto from ilgm, even their shitty shit seemed more stable.
How can you run 8 seeds of a strain, get herms on most and call that tested......
Then fed me the BS line of "cookies and cake strains are just prone to hermies, its all part of the game"
 
GoodShit97 said:
Ive only had 1 herm seed until recent, and it was an auto from ilgm, even their shitty shit seemed more stable.
How can you run 8 seeds of a strain, get herms on most and call that tested......
Then fed me the BS line of "cookies and cake strains are just prone to hermies, its all part of the game"
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I have only really had 1 plant hermie on me. It was a 2K cut of Ice Cream Cake I got from a friend and it only threw about 15 seeds. I do remember the first time I grew in a green house I got a cut of gelato #33 and I managed to find the balls a day or two before they opened. surprise what does Ice Cream cakes come from Gelato #33
 
Anthem275 said:
I have only really had 1 plant hermie on me. It was a 2K cut of Ice Cream Cake I got from a friend and it only threw about 15 seeds. I do remember the first time I grew in a green house I got a cut of gelato #33 and I managed to find the balls a day or two before they opened. surprise what does Ice Cream cakes come from Gelato #33
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Ive had plenty of plants shoot nanners in late flower thanks to either light leaks, genetics, or stress, but this was my first run in with full on male and female parts. I missed some balls and found them just the other day at like day 40... so far i havent seen any fat puffy calyxs with seeds poking out but if i do, ill just grow them outside.
 
GoodShit97 said:
Ive had plenty of plants shoot nanners in late flower thanks to either light leaks, genetics, or stress, but this was my first run in with full on male and female parts. I missed some balls and found them just the other day at like day 40... so far i havent seen any fat puffy calyxs with seeds poking out but if i do, ill just grow them outside.
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If you turn on as much light as you can outside of your tents and go inside and close up the tent you can find the light leaks and use some duct tape over the light leaks to seal off the light.
 
GrowHobo said:
I can’t believe y’all have never seen a plant show sex in veg. Literally every seed I’ve ever grown I have sexed in veg 4-6 weeks every time.

I have 30 seed plants going right now. Sexd them all in veg
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I have no real say in this as i just started my first set of regular seeds.
But all my feminized seeds showed sex by the 6th or 7th week of veg.
I havent had any experience with males yet.
 
Apparently i have an agenda and I got calling me out in the dms. I honestly don’t give a fuck about y’all’s drama I was surprised no one sexes in veg and I was surprised y’all are calling out herm for an early male.
 
GrowHobo said:
Laugh the fuck out loud. I guess I can’t debate anything here. Give me a fucking break.
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The difference is your talking preflowers… and i agree you can sex them in veg by the preflower… i do all the time.

Full blown expression of sex is different. Id hve to go back and look at pics but i think thats where the miscommunication is
 
Anthem275 said:
If you turn on as much light as you can outside of your tents and go inside and close up the tent you can find the light leaks and use some duct tape over the light leaks to seal off the light.
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Its because of this vent, i dont ever close it because if i do, all i hear is my tent popping and crunching from the suction on my t6 fan, and it sounds like its gonna crush in on itself and i dont like it lol

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Need to scrub the fabric clean again. 20230607_124503.jpg
 
GoodShit97 said:
I have no real say in this as i just started my first set of regular seeds.
But all my feminized seeds showed sex by the 6th or 7th week of veg.
I havent had any experience with males yet.
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Generally males tend to show before females in my experience. I also tend to see males grow a bit faster / taller.

I do not do a lot of reg seeds but no, I've never seen balls like that very early under Veg lighting.
 
GrowHobo said:
Apparently i have an agenda and I got anthem calling me out in the dms. I honestly don’t give a fuck about y’all’s drama I was surprised no one sexes in veg and I was surprised y’all are calling out herm for an early male.
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Aqua Man said:
The difference is your talking preflowers… and i agree you can sex them in veg by the preflower… i do all the time.

Full blown expression of sex is different. Id hve to go back and look at pics but i think thats where the miscommunication is
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Yes, I think this is the problem. Sexing a plant early, and that same plant showing full on balls is 2 different things. We seem to be combining them and not on the same page.
 
Well, GrowHobo has signed off, and I need to leave for a while too.

I really don't know how this got so contentious. Feel free to DM me when you come back, I think we can find middle ground here. I think where things got twisted was the terminology. Hermie - show sex - full on balls - whatever.

And no, I did not edit any comments.
 
I’ve had males show at 5 weeks exactly what Nesta showed.i think you are going to get the odd ones that show themselves more than others no matter what..
 
GoodShit97 said:
Its because of this vent, i dont ever close it because if i do, all i hear is my tent popping and crunching from the suction on my t6 fan, and it sounds like its gonna crush in on itself and i dont like it lol

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I have a beast exhaust fan too, what I do is force air in as well to keep the thing from caving in.
Got two 4" inline fans to keep up with the 8" exhaust.
 
OK, I'm going to tie this up in a bow so we can move on.

Here is the plant

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And here is Nesta's response

Nesta said:
You all post so damn fast… just getting caught up. Heres my deal. I never had an issue with Trustfall on the Farm. The opposite quite honestly. I picked up several cuts from him that were bug free and killer. Some still in my garden. This plant threw balls in what I would consider early veg, which is why I figured it was herming on me. I can’t have balls popping so early and unpredictably in my small hobby grow. When I started my thread here, I had a user ask me if any of Trustfalls gear has hermed on me, because they had an issue. I had not. I probably shouldn’t have outted Tenguseeds so fast, but it is was it is. I have no ill will towards Trustfall, I know some of you do. Thats fine. Im 42 years old, have two kids, run a business, and have zero time for forum drama. He put me on blast, and the younger me would have come out firing! No energy for that anymore. I will grow the beans I got from him and give honest reviews.

Time to spark some herb!
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So the term Hermie came from Nesta, but it was not a good use of the term. Also read the tone, he is not calling anyone out or any BS. Just stating facts as he sees them.

My feeling is that this got heated because of the source. Still some exposed nerve there for some of us.

I'm asking everyone to not use the word hermie to describe what is happening here. These are not from Fem seeds.

I'm also asking that the source not be a consideration in the discussion. That goes for me too.

We clearly have people with different experiences here, MAx just said he has seen this too. And we have growers that have never seen this, but you would not want to call them inexperienced. You can put that label on me if you want, but clearly Bandit is anything but inexperienced. And he is just one.

So there you have it. Shit happens. Let's move on.
 
Moe.Red said:
OK, I'm going to tie this up in a bow so we can move on.

Here is the plant

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And here is Nesta's response



So the term Hermie came from Nesta, but it was not a good use of the term. Also read the tone, he is not calling anyone out or any BS. Just stating facts as he sees them.

My feeling is that this got heated because of the source. Still some exposed nerve there for some of us.

I'm asking everyone to not use the word hermie to describe what is happening here. These are not from Fem seeds.

I'm also asking that the source not be a consideration in the discussion. That goes for me too.

We clearly have people with different experiences here, MAx just said he has seen this too. And we have growers that have never seen this, but you would not want to call them inexperienced. You can put that label on me if you want, but clearly Bandit is anything but inexperienced. And he is just one.

So there you have it. Shit happens. Let's move on.
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I've read many times plants will show sex in veg when they begin to alternate nodes and people rely on that to sex their plants. I've just never seen it with mine but I wish I did. Certainly woulda made some grow a lot easier and less wasteful upcanning a plant that would later be a male. Most I've ever seen are the two soft thorn like things that come out but never the signature cluster of balls or two pistils. I've always had to flip to see it.

Seeing those balls in veg would set off alarms for me though. Maybe normal for some but would be very abnormal in my experience. And I've been called a lot worse things than inexperienced in my life. 😋

Hermie is another animal. A late single nanner near harvest is no biggie. But equal balls to pistil ratio early is trash. If left to flower out for the seeds to ripen those resulting seeds will be feminized. Good stuff can come from that seed stock. Original Gorilla Glue seeds came from a hermie mother.
I had a Chocolate Thai hermi and her seeds were fem, better than the original, and those fem seeds did not hermie.
 
I don't understand why some people have to get their panties in a bunch just because not everyone agrees with their findings. OK maybe the wrong term was used but just because you're the only one it happens too and everyone else it hasn't doesn't mean that we're being bullheaded or discounting his experience.

If you have an issue with site moderation then contact the moderators and state your case. If you're still unhappy then you don't have to participate and are free to go where you feel the info is more credible or the moderation is more equitable to your liking. You're always welcome back but this whole throwing a tantrum and making veiled threats is just dumb. Maybe it's best those with such a short fuse vacate the site.....dunno....
 
Rootsruler said:
I don't understand why some people have to get their panties in a bunch just because not everyone agrees with their findings. OK maybe the wrong term was used but just because you're the only one it happens too and everyone else it hasn't doesn't mean that we're being bullheaded or discounting his experience.

If you have an issue with site moderation then contact the moderators and state your case. If you're still unhappy then you don't have to participate and are free to go where you feel the info is more credible or the moderation is more equitable to your liking. You're always welcome back but this whole throwing a tantrum and making veiled threats is just dumb. Maybe it's best those with such a short fuse vacate the site.....dunno....
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yes yes, less tantrums and more magic smoke would be a good thing, and not just around here.
 
Bandit420 said:
I've read many times plants will show sex in veg when they begin to alternate nodes and people rely on that to sex their plants. I've just never seen it with mine but I wish I did. Certainly woulda made some grow a lot easier and less wasteful upcanning a plant that would later be a male. Most I've ever seen are the two soft thorn like things that come out but never the signature cluster of balls or two pistils. I've always had to flip to see it.

Seeing those balls in veg would set off alarms for me though. Maybe normal for some but would be very abnormal in my experience. And I've been called a lot worse things than inexperienced in my life. 😋

Hermie is another animal. A late single nanner near harvest is no biggie. But equal balls to pistil ratio early is trash. If left to flower out for the seeds to ripen those resulting seeds will be feminized. Good stuff can come from that seed stock. Original Gorilla Glue seeds came from a hermie mother.
I had a Chocolate Thai hermi and her seeds were fem, better than the original, and those fem seeds did not hermie.
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The ones that come out at 4-6 weeks are very small. I need a 5x to see them. It's usually the node just below the top, or the second node from the top that gets them first.
 
Well I guess I should stir the pot and put a lid on it all in one.
So much BS and interesting info in this thread the last couple days I am sure to offend some of you with my response.
Good.
I think most of you that have never seen a female show a pistil or whatever the term you all use are short sighted low effort growers or people who don't understand nature? You think there is a short cut. Hurry the fuck and flip at 14 days. Not saying it won't work, but I plug my ears after that.
Crafstman know quality has no short cuts. You have the skillset or you don't. Don't cry if you shut up and listen maybe you can learn?
When you hear someone say something you never heard than you have to think...They either know something I don't know, or they know nothing.
Feel free. Information from people I would listen too has been posted.

Now to the pissing and moaning I hear here. WTF~!
Don't like something here and find no resolve? Move the fuck along.
Wanna play stupid games? you win stupid prizes.
I am sending a DM to one member in particular. If any of you think you should keep an eye out than get your shit together.
Enough of the uncivil conversations here.
I will win~!
I am one of a very few founders of this forum and was it not created to be to your diaper.

So this whole thread was discussed at length in the beginning.
I feel being banned has created a grieving process for all of us.
We will all move at our own speed.
Some of us knew long ago and some seemed surprised, while others are oblivious [ clearly] to the M.O. of where we all have come from.
Regardless I think all need to grieve.

I will say again my greatest revenge is my success and you who keep going back and talking about or keeping track and mentioning it here are not helping one bit. They get paid by members, so keep making fake accounts to beat them genius since you are against them NICE~! Dumbass...

Long and short is few guys who had enough of the bullshit did this.
Seems like we have a great group of people with a few exceptions.
You will never win an argument with an idiot for those you still banging your head.
So don't bang your head.
I will deal with them.
 
lets just all try to hold ourselves to a higher standard… we can debate and discuss the most sensitive of issues if we just keep it to the topic and not the personal remarks.

Once an insult is levied its gets very difficult to stop that ball rolling and topics get derailed fast in a shit storm you could only describe as a shitnado.

Idk about you all but i for one like to avoid flying balls of shit on my nature walks…. So lets all just respect one another and debate fiercely to get to the facts.

Personally i try to re read my shit before posting to remove judgement of another person and keep to a judgement of the facts presented
 
GrowHobo said:
I didn’t realize this was another forum that edits posts. ✌️
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Moe.Red said:
Checks DM's nervously...

Oh, good, not me.

I'll behave, I promise.
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DM has been sent.
I have more to say if any of you care.
And I don't give a fuck~!
I made this forum. Along with several others also who are not complaining.
Not for others , we valued an educated discussion but you [some of you ] are more than welcome to join in.
Is it really that hard to treat others how you would want to treated?
I have no problem being the bad guy.
2Bad said:
Moe's on a roll today I stg hahaha
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Meet the steamroller.
 
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