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I need help people.
All my clones leaves keep turning brown and rotting....
I thought too much moisture but Idfk why anymore, ive completely removed the dome and its still happening. Ill grab some pics in a sec, cloner is sitting in ambient light, on top of my pellet stove to stay warm so being too cold isnt an option. 20240118_070304.jpg20240118_070309.jpg
 
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SpectrumFarms said:
Have you tried supplementing h202? I’ve have good result when I was in DWC using it. Not the grocery store kind but food grade 30% h202. Once h202 decomposes is releases oxygen adding more in the water.
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I know jack diddly shit about hydro.
This was supposed to solve my issues of dying clones.

Gonna add an air stone or 2 and see what happens. Only thing I've got left in my bag of tricks I guess
 
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Before I wasn't even getting roots though.
So i guess we are getting somewhere?
It's just the same outcome, only with roots this time lol.
 
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Max said:
Sorry your having issues brother.i reckon your close thinking it’s rot.it’s def at the roots where it’s starting..that’s my bet.
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I'm really starting to lean towards what Moe was thinking, low dissolved oxygen.

It's the  only consistency here.
Plugs were too wet before and cutting off o2
And low o2 in the res of the cloner.

It's the one thing that seems to make the most sense, and the only thing I haven't tried, really. So I'll stop at the fishy store and get a pump for the cloner tonight, it's worth a shot anyways.
 
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SpectrumFarms said:
Have you tried supplementing h202? I’ve have good result when I was in DWC using it. Not the grocery store kind but food grade 30% h202. Once h202 decomposes is releases oxygen adding more in the water.
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GoodShit97 said:
I know jack diddly shit about hydro.
This was supposed to solve my issues of dying clones.

Gonna add an air stone or 2 and see what happens. Only thing I've got left in my bag of tricks I guess
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Don't use the K4L powder if going this route. Use something salt and nitrate based. That stuff will kill the living water.

Doubt it's lack of air. Air is literally in the title of aeroponics, EZ Clone does not use air pumps or even sell them, and I never needed to add an airstone with that machine but if you must...
However, along with that I'd be looking for a small space heater and thermostat control or perhaps relocating the machine.
Common denominator between all techniques seems to be that laundry room sucks for trying to propagate plants when plants are showing the same type of death across the various techniques
 
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moe.red said:
Man you can’t win
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Nope.
I'm starting to think gmo may be right with my ph is outta whack. Seems that and o2 are the only consistent things here.
So seems gmo and moe might be on the track here and this has been the issue all along and nothing to do with the methods
I really have no idea I'm just grabbing straws brother
 
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How much longer do you need them in the rooter before you cup them?
I would try cupping them before or instead of just tossing them.
If they turn around in soil great. The roots do look good so it has to be a def of some sort that hopefully soil would help.
Once in soil you can feed in fashion you are comfortable with.
 
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steamroller said:
I would try cupping them before or instead of just tossing them.
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I've tried before, the browning just spreads and then the new shoots die and there soon after the plant.
I just cupped 5 I think will be ok. But the rest were done for.

I'm really trying to figure the cause of the browning. It's just a need to know thing now.
Now that I got roots again I know I can do that much and plant at least before the brown sets in, but I was trying to get good roots cause I had to ship some to Nesta in Chicago? I think? So I wanted a thick ball of roots before sending em off.
 
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GoodShit97 said:
Guys I'm think I'm onto something!

Shoot tip necrosis of in vitro plant cultures: a reappraisal of possible causes and solutions - PMC

Shoot tip necrosis is a physiological condition that negatively impacts the growth and development of in vitro plant shoot cultures across a wide range of species. Shoot tip necrosis is a physiological condition and disorder that can arise in ...
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Wow that is more French than an admin manual~!
Normally that would get a TLDNR but,
I did get to the part that said almost 33% is caused by CA def.:sneaky:
 
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wait hold up what did i miss?? Bandit sent you a cloner and you had roots? i saw em.. what happened, are you having struggles again? is this why you were using the cloning powder for young veg, did you have issues way back then and since and i missed it?
 
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Stoneyluv said:
wait hold up what did i miss?? Bandit sent you a cloner and you had roots? i saw em.. what happened, are you having struggles again? is this why you were using the cloning powder for young veg, did you have issues way back then and since and i missed it?
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Its been the same issue fir 2 years.
No matter the method.

Idk.

Moe and Aqua both say that article is for TC and not really "logical" to follow for my issues.

I really thought I was on to something.


Starting 2 GP seeds and gonna let em grow til I can cut clones then do a video conference with moe and aqua.
Idfk anymore
 
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GoodShit97 said:
Its been the same issue fir 2 years.
No matter the method.

Idk.

Moe and Aqua both say that article is for TC and not really "logical" to follow for my issues.

I really thought I was on to something.


Starting 2 GP seeds and gonna let em grow til I can cut clones then do a video conference with moe and aqua.
Idfk anymore
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What the paper is about is tissue culture. It is a sterile process in a lab with tiny plant parts that take months to grow using special agars and PGRs.

It's still cloning but not really at all what G$ is doing.

Based on like 47 pages of a PM called duuuuuuude I am currently of the opinion that G$ has a bacterial or fungal infection that is spreading from clone to clone. So my advice is to try the next batch without clonex and in 1000ppm chlorine water.
 
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moe.red said:
What the paper is about is tissue culture. It is a sterile process in a lab with tiny plant parts that take months to grow using special agars and PGRs.

It's still cloning but not really at all what G$ is doing.

Based on like 47 pages of a PM called duuuuuuude I am currently of the opinion that G$ has a bacterial or fungal infection that is spreading from clone to clone. So my advice is to try the next batch without clonex and in 1000ppm chlorine water.
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I will try it.
Buuuuut.
I'm not buying a ppm meter for this so it'll have to be a "good enough" thing i guess.

I'm just tapped out especially with Christmas coming
 
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moe.red said:
I'm sending you this and this.

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He has had successful clones a couple of times iirc. But they were in the shed.

It did work fine in the laundry room a few years back. But I believe has failed the same way the last two years.

Started before he had cats and used the room for a litter box.

He just removed everything from the room and put down a new floor before putting it all back so it should be the cleanest it’s been at this point.
 
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