Help me out y'all, ive never seen this before.

[Garbage_bear]

I sprayed it with a sulfur spray last night before bed so we will see what happens

I have been using a combination of sulfur and diatomaceous earth. It seems to be working. They have jumped to another plant but these things are dying or dead now. I’m just going to continue to treat until flower then green cleaner in flower if I see any more sign of them. You can wash green cleaner off during flower. Shits expensive tho. Russet mites are bad news man. I would go full commando on those things. Even if you are not sure it’s mites.

 

[Garbage_bear]

No i didnt buy any clones from the farm. Any clones over 25 dollars, are way to expensive for my taste. 100 dollars for a clone, yeah right, ok

Im gonna let it go, its only on that one plant, been a thing since it sprouted, and its been inside since march 3rd with 4 other plants in its tent and like 20 other plants in my house. None of my other plants are sick or showing any signs so of being sick, im still leaning on deformity or disease over bugs until i see 100% signs of bugs. Its only like 4 of 5 leaves on the entire plant the rest are fine.

Yeah those clones were expensive. I bought two clones and three cuts for $150. Never again lol.

 

[GoodShit97]

I have been using a combination of sulfur and diatomaceous earth. It seems to be working. They have jumped to another plant but these things are dying or dead now. I’m just going to continue to treat until flower then green cleaner in flower if I see any more sign of them. You can wash green cleaner off during flower. Shits expensive tho. Russet mites are bad news man. I would go full commando on those things. Even if you are not sure it’s mites.

I think im just gonna toss the 2 outside that are still in my yard. One has a high ph and isnt taking up nutes, added to much potash, and the other is looking like bugs.

I have another one thats half a mile away doing great thatll be 2 or 3 pounds so ill just leave that one out and kill the rest lol

 

[GoodShit97]

Yeah those clones were expensive. I bought two clones and three cuts for $150. Never again lol.

Yeah man its pricey, im just a hobby homegrower, i dont really sell much, and im not trying to cause people bankruptcy by buying clones so i only charge 10 for friends and 20 for people i dont know or if people want them in solo cups its also 20, and wouldnt send any out right now cause i possibly have bugs.

The best thing to do with any clone is to isolate them for a couple weeks after arrival.

 

[GoodShit97]

So here is one of the 6 clones i took of that plant in question.
I really feel like this is just a genetic deformity because it keeps happening, and i see zero signs of bugs. I know russets cant be seen with the naked eye, but even under a loupe, and my buddy brought over his wifi microscope with 100x zoom and didnt see shit anywhere. But the plants are healthy and so is every other plant i have, so im still thinking deformity.

And then all 6.

Theyre rooting too, would russets cause that to slow down? Its only been 7 days since cutting these

 

[moe.red]

So here is one of the 6 clones i took of that plant in question. View attachment 5815
I really feel like this is just a genetic deformity because it keeps happening, and i see zero signs of bugs. I know russets cant be seen with the naked eye, but even under a loupe, and my buddy brought over his wifi microscope with 100x zoom and didnt see shit anywhere. But the plants are healthy and so is every other plant i have, so im still thinking deformity.

And then all 6.
View attachment 5816
Theyre rooting too, would russets cause that to slow down? Its only been 7 days since cutting these View attachment 5817

When I had russets my roots were great - doubling daily. The green stuff - not so much.

 

[GoodShit97]

When I had russets my roots were great - doubling daily. The green stuff - not so much.

Man i really hope its not mites. This is now scare #2 in a month lmao. First one was overfed or too concentrated dr zymes and fked them all up but theyve come out of that.

These plants are so nice and green. No nasty color, no shininess to them, i remember seeing your plants on your fog thread at the other place and i dont see a resemblance in mine.

Once these are fully rooted ill hit them with sulfur to be safe.

It sure looks like something is going on im just not sure what yet.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Man i really hope its not mites. This is now scare #2 in a month lmao. First one was overfed or too concentrated dr zymes and fked them all up but theyve come out of that.

These plants are so nice and green. No nasty color, no shininess to them, i remember seeing your plants on your fog thread at the other place and i dont see a resemblance in mine.

Once these are fully rooted ill hit them with sulfur to be safe.

It sure looks like something is going on im just not sure what yet.

If you looked with your buddies microscope what did you see? No trace so no bugs?

 

[GoodShit97]

If you looked with your buddies microscope what did you see? No trace so no bugs?

I didn't see anything moving anywhere aside from what i believe were clover mites or chiggers but i saw those with just my eyeballs lol. I left them be as i believe they are harmless to the plant/roots. Found some spiders too, and a couple flying bugs. But i didnt see anything microscopic, i only saw what can already be seen with the naked eye.

Looks like bug symptoms but i dont know, having next to zero experience with bugs of any kind, makes it so i cant say whats going on.

 

[MDK]

I wonder if there is a way to draw out microscopic pests? Like take a leaf or stem you think is infested and submerge in something like peroxide maybe to trigger an evacuation and see such bugs easier? Just thinkin

 

[GoodShit97]

I wonder if there is a way to draw out microscopic pests? Like take a leaf or stem you think is infested and submerge in something like peroxide maybe to trigger an evacuation and see such bugs easier? Just thinkin

Dude thatd be awesome. Sure would make it easier

 

[Zen_seeker]

I wonder if there is a way to draw out microscopic pests? Like take a leaf or stem you think is infested and submerge in something like peroxide maybe to trigger an evacuation and see such bugs easier? Just thinkin

Sound waves?

 

[Rootsruler]

I wonder if there is a way to draw out microscopic pests? Like take a leaf or stem you think is infested and submerge in something like peroxide maybe to trigger an evacuation and see such bugs easier? Just thinkin

I don't see why that wouldn't work. If it works on vegetables it should work on weed. Try it. Got nothing to lose.

 

[GoodShit97]

Figured i should update this.

2 months have gone by, and its still doing the exact same thing.

Im 99.9% positive its just genetic now and not bugs as its been in with 11 other plants that are 100% healthy and do not look like this.

 

[GoodShit97]

It looks similar to pictures of TMV, but ive touched it and then touched other plants, so im not thinking its anything of concern.

 

[Rootsruler]

If you cull it check out the root system. I wonder if it got some sort of fungal infection or root rot.

 

[GoodShit97]

If you cull it check out the root system. I wonder if it got some sort of fungal infection or root rot.

Its staying in the line up, ill be transplanting it in a week or so to get it ready for flower. Im curious what it turns into now lol.
When i get home in a bit, ill pop it out of its cup and snap a picture, but its been like this from seed. Cloning didnt stop it either. Mom is the Riverboat outside and shes still doing it too.

 

[GoodShit97]

If you cull it check out the root system. I wonder if it got some sort of fungal infection or root rot.

As promised, couple pics all the way around the root ball and the bottom.
Roots baby, roots!!!
Healthy as fuck if you ask me..

 

[moe.red]

Roots look good.

Based on all the info in this thread, you are either fighting a viroid or this is genetic.

The fact that this started with bagseed makes me think not genetic. IF the genetics were good enough to make it to harvest and into your brain, they should be good enough to grow again. That said, tough to say for sure since you don't really know the genetics / dad.

Short of doing lab testing, the only way to know for sure is to attempt a tissue culture type clone. Pick the absolute tippy top of the main stem new growth, and give it a bleach bath before cloning. If this is viroid, you have a good chance of killing it in the clone. If it is DNA, you have zero chance.

 

[GoodShit97]

Roots look good.

Based on all the info in this thread, you are either fighting a viroid or this is genetic.

The fact that this started with bagseed makes me think not genetic. IF the genetics were good enough to make it to harvest and into your brain, they should be good enough to grow again. That said, tough to say for sure since you don't really know the genetics / dad.

Short of doing lab testing, the only way to know for sure is to attempt a tissue culture type clone. Pick the absolute tippy top of the main stem new growth, and give it a bleach bath before cloning. If this is viroid, you have a good chance of killing it in the clone. If it is DNA, you have zero chance.

I haven't done any digging into tissue cultures so thats probably not an option here.

When i take clones they go in a bleach water solution of like then get stuck in the plug.

Ill see what i can figure out with a TC

 

[moe.red]

I haven't done any digging into tissue cultures so thats probably not an option here.

When i take clones they go in a bleach water solution of like then get stuck in the plug.

Ill see what i can figure out with a TC

Not saying to do TC, just to use the same strategy. True TC needs a lot of stuff to be sterile, proper chemicals, etc.

But taking a tiny clone from the apical meristem (closest thing to stem cells) and then sterilizing as best as you can prior to growing out the roots, you may be able to dump the virus on the new clone, if it exists.

Personally I wouldn't bother and I'd cull that SOB a month ago lol.

 

[GoodShit97]

Not saying to do TC, just to use the same strategy. True TC needs a lot of stuff to be sterile, proper chemicals, etc.

But taking a tiny clone from the apical meristem (closest thing to stem cells) and then sterilizing as best as you can prior to growing out the roots, you may be able to dump the virus on the new clone, if it exists.

Personally I wouldn't bother and I'd cull that SOB a month ago lol.

How long should i snip the very tip? And how long should i soak it in the bleach solution?

 

[moe.red]

How long should i snip the very tip? And how long should i soak it in the bleach solution?

Here is an overview of the process:

Achieving Disease-Free Cannabis Stocks Using Tissue Culture - Plant Cell Technology

Introduction Do you know what limits Cannabis commercial production, besides the legal challenges? A spectrum of diseases and pests. Cannabis plants are prone to diseases. They are attacked by a range of viral, fungal, and bacterial diseases that limits the production of plants. It not only...

www.plantcelltechnology.com

I can link some videos too if you want to pursue this.

 

[GoodShit97]

Here is an overview of the process:

Achieving Disease-Free Cannabis Stocks Using Tissue Culture - Plant Cell Technology

Introduction Do you know what limits Cannabis commercial production, besides the legal challenges? A spectrum of diseases and pests. Cannabis plants are prone to diseases. They are attacked by a range of viral, fungal, and bacterial diseases that limits the production of plants. It not only...

www.plantcelltechnology.com

I can link some videos too if you want to pursue this.

Im curious is all it comes down to lol.
I like the strain and its all i have of it, and i like to learn so why not try it out lol.

 

[moe.red]

Im curious is all it comes down to lol.
I like the strain and its all i have of it, and i like to learn so why not try it out lol.

Nothing wrong with curiosity. I live my life bumping into walls because of it.

 

[GoodShit97]

I still have this stupid thing.
At this point im just going with deformity.
Its been like 6? Months since i started that plant and its been doing it since it sprouted. Its never passed on to any other plant, and only gets like 2 or 3 leaves and then i pluck them off.