Max Growing Weed

[dragonsflamegenetics]

so if i understand correct - you took a female of my ZD, reversed it back onto itself or onto a sister pheno? If reversed onto itself that's an s1 - and s1s nearly always seem to lose the magic that made the strain imo and a noticeable decrease in overall vigor. Cannabis is meant to outcross, not self and I personally have observed this is the general effect. If onto a sister, that would be an f2 - and f2s generally have a tiny vigor loss as well from not being a true f1 hybrid (assuming its not a cookies type onto another cookies type for example) but not nearly as much as an S1 - so that could just been they didn't compliment each other as nicely as hoped. Breeding is honestly a lot of trial and error especially if crop improvement is the goal.

 

[ZombieRider]

so if i understand correct - you took a female of my ZD, reversed it back onto itself or onto a sister pheno? If reversed onto itself that's an s1 - and s1s nearly always seem to lose the magic that made the strain imo and a noticeable decrease in overall vigor. Cannabis is meant to outcross, not self and I personally have observed this is the general effect. If onto a sister, that would be an f2 - and f2s generally have a tiny vigor loss as well from not being a true f1 hybrid (assuming its not a cookies type onto another cookies type for example) but not nearly as much as an S1 - so that could just been they didn't compliment each other as nicely as hoped. Breeding is honestly a lot of trial and error especially if crop improvement is the goal.

What is the Triangle Death Skunk, an F3 or F4? Seemed to be pretty vigorous and stable.

 

[Max]

so if i understand correct - you took a female of my ZD, reversed it back onto itself or onto a sister pheno? If reversed onto itself that's an s1 - and s1s nearly always seem to lose the magic that made the strain imo and a noticeable decrease in overall vigor. Cannabis is meant to outcross, not self and I personally have observed this is the general effect. If onto a sister, that would be an f2 - and f2s generally have a tiny vigor loss as well from not being a true f1 hybrid (assuming its not a cookies type onto another cookies type for example) but not nearly as much as an S1 - so that could just been they didn't compliment each other as nicely as hoped. Breeding is honestly a lot of trial and error especially if crop improvement is the goal.

Yeah..that’s exactly what I did..selfed it onto itself.now I know why the dude your drooling biggest plant I selected doesn’t grow aswell as the other pheno I seeded..I did know by reading it reduces there vigor and was told by a friend I met back in the early 90s to out breed and I do remember him saying if you keep inbreeding they will get smaller and smaller..the opposite with outbreeding..how he described outcrossing to me is get 2 different strains (used coke cans as an example) those seeds will b 1.25 litre outcross again they will b 2 litre etc etc.he use to grow 4 lb + plants just making compost at home,takes that out the bush and digs a hole ,giving nutrients every feed..really knew his stuff .he got busted with 8 mil worth of plants and was in the click for a few years.my friend use to put beer stubbies over his back fence when he was on the prison farm and that’s how I met him.ran into him again after prison working on a farm up north and that’s when we got on the cannabis conversation.real nice guy.built like a brick shithouse .i Guess I listened but didnt believe until witnessing it first hand.

 

[dragonsflamegenetics]

What is the Triangle Death Skunk, an F3 or F4? Seemed to be pretty vigorous and stable.

f1

 

[dragonsflamegenetics]

Yeah..that’s exactly what I did..selfed it onto itself.now I know why the dude your drooling biggest plant I selected doesn’t grow aswell as the other pheno I seeded..I did know by reading it reduces there vigor and was told by a friend I met back in the early 90s to out breed and I do remember him saying if you keep inbreeding they will get smaller and smaller..the opposite with outbreeding..how he described outcrossing to me is get 2 different strains (used coke cans as an example) those seeds will b 1.25 litre outcross again they will b 2 litre etc etc.he use to grow 4 lb + plants just making compost at home,takes that out the bush and digs a hole ,giving nutrients every feed..really knew his stuff .he got busted with 8 mil worth of plants and was in the click for a few years.my friend use to put beer stubbies over his back fence when he was on the prison farm and that’s how I met him.ran into him again after prison working on a farm up north and that’s when we got on the cannabis conversation.real nice guy.built like a brick shithouse .i Guess I listened but didnt believe until witnessing it first hand.

experience and trying shit out is key to seeing how things work and breed! keep at it! doesnt mean they wont be great smoke!

 

[SSgrower]

I’m a regular at my local hydro store so I guess he looks after me and wants me to keep going back to his shop.he’s keeping me happy besides me bitching and moaning about how dear shits getting lol.he’s a canna man too and near always wearing there hoodies.I’ve got glasses,lighters,hats,bags,magazines .I’d ask your local store..they would def have merchandise they would gladly give you..

I use Canna coco, Canna part A&B I like their products as they play nice with my added Rooted Leaf "Fuel" & Silica skin. Taking more clones today, cheers SS

 

[ZombieRider]

f1

Really? Damn I thought F1's were less stable than F2+. GOes to show I don't know sh!t lmfao

 

[dragonsflamegenetics]

Really? Damn I thought F1's were less stable than F2+. GOes to show I don't know sh!t lmfao

stable as in? Herm prone? less phenos? Vigor? So many ways to consider it. f1s are going to have the most vigor, and generally speaking, the norm for what most of us are growing. Very few breeders are actually working lines past that. Most things now days are pollen from some hype male on a room full of stuff, and then on to the next. And cookies genes are in soooo many things. f2s have the most diversity generally speaking. f2ing the line is where the pheno hunting can really happen, as you start seeing the mix of both parents, and then you usually can also find the grand parents, and the random stuff that comes out of f2s. going from f2 to f3 IMO and in most commercial literature, is the crux of the project. If you don't select the right traits in the f2s, and use them to make your f3s, it can drastically alter the line for the worse (or for the better as well) and starts getting traits more into dominant positions moving forward. Fast f3 - really getting into rarer breeding work as IDK 90% of seed makers these days will never take anything past f2,

 

[Max]

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[Max]

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The Zamal dreams starting to pack on some weight and looking very frosty.this is the sunset sherbet ^^that has similarities in the buds structure to the Zamal...this was the pheno I wanted to cross over it.I’ll put up some photos in a few more weeks to give you a better example of how the buds compare

 

[SSgrower]

Beautiful frost, yes the F2's are the most diverse in traits so you hunt there for your desired traits structure,ect. Bruce Banner has been taken to F3 and I have some of those seeds. Breeding is a lot of trial and error but I leave it to the experienced breeders to enjoy, I am a grower and happy. Cheers Max,SS

 

[SiamSam]

I still have this Cars vinyl record -- crazy good dancin music

 

[SiamSam]

I'd hate to cull my one but I can't imagine giving it more than a couple more weeks, maybe a month.
I got 3 more ZD up and will have 3 clones I am 99% sure are from the one that is producing well.
I want to get the clones into the tent that have the flowering ZD now so I can flip the room. If I have to I will re veg it maybe?
Also got GMO X Orange Dreams going that SSHZ gifted me. Got 3 of them up for this next run.
I am loaded with DFG beans and expect my next grow to be almost all DFG gear.

Hmmm sensing a contented theme here, also very happy with my DFG grow.

 

[SiamSam]

Yeah..that’s exactly what I did..selfed it onto itself.now I know why the dude your drooling biggest plant I selected doesn’t grow aswell as the other pheno I seeded..I did know by reading it reduces there vigor and was told by a friend I met back in the early 90s to out breed and I do remember him saying if you keep inbreeding they will get smaller and smaller..the opposite with outbreeding..how he described outcrossing to me is get 2 different strains (used coke cans as an example) those seeds will b 1.25 litre outcross again they will b 2 litre etc etc.he use to grow 4 lb + plants just making compost at home,takes that out the bush and digs a hole ,giving nutrients every feed..really knew his stuff .he got busted with 8 mil worth of plants and was in the click for a few years.my friend use to put beer stubbies over his back fence when he was on the prison farm and that’s how I met him.ran into him again after prison working on a farm up north and that’s when we got on the cannabis conversation.real nice guy.built like a brick shithouse .i Guess I listened but didnt believe until witnessing it first hand.

Gregor Mendel, father of modern genetics preached the gospel of outbreeding...

 

[Max]

I still have this Cars vinyl record -- crazy good dancin music

Played this music cruising the streets with mates in my teens stoned as .oh man ..those were the best days.if I had a wish,I’d ask for a doctor who phone booth .

 

[Max]

8 weeks gone..getting there.still running light at it’s max ,just with slight room temp drop…I’ll run them hard to the line .no backing off for these bitches.probably why my gals go longer as theres no signal to say hey lights getting less intense days getting cooler etc..

 

[Max]

7 days gone for the dyd..plucked all but 3 Zamal dreams.I’ll probably just keep one just to see how it goes.

 

[ZombieRider]

stable as in? Herm prone? less phenos? Vigor? So many ways to consider it. f1s are going to have the most vigor, and generally speaking, the norm for what most of us are growing. Very few breeders are actually working lines past that. Most things now days are pollen from some hype male on a room full of stuff, and then on to the next. And cookies genes are in soooo many things. f2s have the most diversity generally speaking. f2ing the line is where the pheno hunting can really happen, as you start seeing the mix of both parents, and then you usually can also find the grand parents, and the random stuff that comes out of f2s. going from f2 to f3 IMO and in most commercial literature, is the crux of the project. If you don't select the right traits in the f2s, and use them to make your f3s, it can drastically alter the line for the worse (or for the better as well) and starts getting traits more into dominant positions moving forward. Fast f3 - really getting into rarer breeding work as IDK 90% of seed makers these days will never take anything past f2,

Sup! Yup that's what I meant, overall vigor and strength, less hermie prone and less phenotypic variation, etc. Are they True F1's or F1 polyhybrids? I'm assuming it is a polyhybrid since I got a couple different pheno's. Thinking about pollen chucking some plants myself soon! Do you ever do any work with IBL's?

 

[ZombieRider]

@dragonsflamegenetics I have this pheno of Fuel D.OG that smells like fricken blueberries 100%, was gonna make S1's but now Im thinking to just cross it with your TDS pheno cuz of the lack of vigor in the S1's. Is it worth it to take something to F3 etc and make an IBL in your opinion?

 

[Max]

heres a bud growing on a leaf

 

[ZombieRider]

heres a bud growing on a leaf View attachment 51583

she's desperate to make those seeds lmao

 

[Max]

Haha..she can try.there’s no ballsacks or nans to b seen ..first one I’ve ever had do that..Jeff’s gear has abit of a record those showing with his genetics..

i see some amber showing on the top buds of the early girl.I’ll take her at 9 weeks which is 3 days away.it’s good really to get one out of the way early.lowers the rh a little and thats a good thing.less to do all at once too..rh has been hovering around 46-54% .I might b able to turn off one of the dehueys in there to save on power usage..bonus..been really fortunate this grow with fuckall rainfall so rh hasn’t being spiking..she is dry as a bone here.never have I seen it soo dry.gonna b a bad year for the farmers if the heavens don’t open the flood gates soon.

 

[ZombieRider]

Haha..she can try.there’s no ballsacks or nans to b seen ..first one I’ve ever had do that..Jeff’s gear has abit of a record those showing with his genetics..

i see some amber showing on the top buds of the early girl.I’ll take her at 9 weeks which is 3 days away.it’s good really to get one out of the way early.lowers the rh a little and thats a good thing.less to do all at once too..rh has been hovering around 46-54% .I might b able to turn off one of the dehueys in there to save on power usage..bonus..been really fortunate this grow with fuckall rainfall so rh hasn’t being spiking..she is dry as a bone here.never have I seen it soo dry.gonna b a bad year for the farmers if the heavens don’t open the flood gates soon.

Sup man. I just mean like, female plants grow calyx's in the hope to make a seed. So she budding everywhere in the hopes of getting pollinated lol. For real though, only grown one strain from Jeff (Triangle Death Skunk) but it was a BANGER and was strong af. Also the best smoke I've grown so far, especially as it cures. The more the TDS cures the more it tastes like ice cream I kid you not.

 

[ZombieRider]

Haha..she can try.there’s no ballsacks or nans to b seen ..first one I’ve ever had do that..Jeff’s gear has abit of a record those showing with his genetics..

i see some amber showing on the top buds of the early girl.I’ll take her at 9 weeks which is 3 days away.it’s good really to get one out of the way early.lowers the rh a little and thats a good thing.less to do all at once too..rh has been hovering around 46-54% .I might b able to turn off one of the dehueys in there to save on power usage..bonus..been really fortunate this grow with fuckall rainfall so rh hasn’t being spiking..she is dry as a bone here.never have I seen it soo dry.gonna b a bad year for the farmers if the heavens don’t open the flood gates soon.

Also...yea man we need some rain here in the East Coast of the US too. Shit is so dusty I gotta wear a buff over my face when cars pass me on gravel roads (I ride gravel bikes A LOT). SO DRY its not funny. Great for my room though like yours, usually hella humid here and I have been able to get it down to like 35% RH which is crazy for me in VA.

 

[Max]

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Sup man. I just mean like, female plants grow calyx's in the hope to make a seed. So she budding everywhere in the hopes of getting pollinated lol. For real though, only grown one strain from Jeff (Triangle Death Skunk) but it was a BANGER and was strong af. Also the best smoke I've grown so far, especially as it cures. The more the TDS cures the more it tastes like ice cream I kid you not.

i wouldnt mind growing that one.i just ain’t the room to wait for them to show there sex I should pull my finger out and order some smash papers from that site over your way that can dna the sex then just email me the results..

yeah same here.this place can have 4 seasons in one day.39% is about as low as I’ve had it,but I’ve had huge swings like 20+ percent on numerous occasions .makes me nervous af checking signs of bud rot daily.I’ve never had it bad though thank fuck.the hepa filters are working well ..that reminds me I gotta get some more..

 

[Max]

Rains are here so I’ve ripped out #1 front left to help keep the rh down.talk about loud.got a nice bit off her.bout 5-51/2 .she had more than I thought once she was out..back middle will b nxt followed by back left..that one has been stressing for 2-3 weeks..she loves it.she’s the closest to the light.has a nice bit on her too..

 

[Max]

13 days gone.front right was the only Zamal dreams that was keeping up with the dyd .those 2 far left will go.growing well under the 4x24w t5ho 8-9 inches away..room temp is 25.6..rh 65% feed is 250 ppm ,phing between 5.87-5.95.
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[ZombieRider]

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i wouldnt mind growing that one.i just ain’t the room to wait for them to show there sex I should pull my finger out and order some smash papers from that site over your way that can dna the sex then just email me the results..

yeah same here.this place can have 4 seasons in one day.39% is about as low as I’ve had it,but I’ve had huge swings like 20+ percent on numerous occasions .makes me nervous af checking signs of bud rot daily.I’ve never had it bad though thank fuck.the hepa filters are working well ..that reminds me I gotta get some more..

Yeah man getting the plants sex tested with a lab is fricken awesome. Kinda funny how at first I tried to keep all the plants alive all the time no matter what. Now, if I see one lagging behind with some issues Im like "YOUR FIRED". Nothing like wasting nutrients and time on a plant your gonna cull so might as well test em like you said.

Rains are here so I’ve ripped out #1 front left to help keep the rh down.talk about loud.got a nice bit off her.bout 5-51/2 .she had more than I thought once she was out..back middle will b nxt followed by back left..that one has been stressing for 2-3 weeks..she loves it.she’s the closest to the light.has a nice bit on her too..View attachment 52528
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Fricken fire lookin plants brother. I feel you with the RH, if you CAN harvest and lower RH its a pretty easy decision to harvest. What kind of terps you getting from her?

13 days gone.front right was the only Zamal dreams that was keeping up with the dyd .those 2 far left will go.growing well under the 4x24w t5ho 8-9 inches away..room temp is 25.6..rh 65% feed is 250 ppm ,phing between 5.87-5.95.
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Healthy looking babies!

 

[Max]

Thanks brother..def a strong feul type terp when trimming.completely opposite on finger rub which is citrus.it is really stinky lol.earthy rot type.i cannot have any in the house..it just reeks .smoke is potent,sedating and def a night time smoke.i just sink through the lounge

 

[Max]

Zamal dreams

 

[SSgrower]

Buckin down 1 huh? I am in the middle of a run and waiting for supreme planet to fade into a good harvest, if I can enlarge these buds! Cheers

 

[Max]

Sunset sherbet is looking frosty and fattening up.crossing the sherbet over the Zamal should b a good match.it might make her a little leafier,that’s the negative side but hoping it should add size to the buds and more frost.

 

[SSgrower]

I have Watermelon Zaza in mid flower almost, stretch is unreal and the nodal spacing is wide or long! Tiki Madman and Mosca colab, no reviews to be found as of yet, so I gave a prelim on a site,Cheers Max.

 

[Max]

Buds are starting to put on a nice show now.getting close for these 2 girls.I’ll get some better pics if I can just before chop.another 3-4 days..Edward will love trimming these.back left ..dank af.
back middle ,got some nice purpling happening.more like a candy apple color

 

[Max]

The new 600w pro 3.1 .this light has got me all excited with butterflies inside .lmao..I’m starting to foam at the mouth .
im thinking all kinds of stuff like .knock down the room and bang another one out to an 6x6 allowing a ft at the front for the gear for the room..heater,fans and dehuey.i could knock out 3 p easily then without using anymore watts…now I just gotta put the missus on a vacation for a couple weeks .starts laughing Evilly rubbing hands together. https://lumatek-lighting.com/lumatek-zeus-600w-pro-31/

hmm.i see they have changed the lumileds to samsung

 

[Max]

Been absolute perfect conditions for drying here..the room is sitting on 18-20 deg c and rh 57-62 .i did turn the dehuey on in there for the first full day and got it down to 51% to get them off to a good start drying.that keeps the mold away.we are a month into autumn here.its a nervous time if you have plants outside though getting more frequent rain and plants dewy of the morning.overcast days with temps around 17 deg. C .8 overnight.nice and windy right now.the Zamal dreams outside is like the leaning tower of pizza .she’s getting heavy..

im going to takedown another gal in the room shortly..she is done.up potting the young ones too tonite and will turn on the 315 cmh.2 more weeks and they will b ready to put into the flower room..i cutting it close as I need everything out of the flower room in 2 so hopefully it’s all ready or very close to it..

 

[stonemason]

Been absolute perfect conditions for drying here..the room is sitting on 18-20 deg c and rh 57-62 .i did turn the dehuey on in there for the first full day at 51% to get them off to a good start drying.that keeps the mold away.we are a month into autumn here.its a nervous time if you have plants outside though getting more frequent rain and plants dewy of the morning.overcast days with temps around 17 deg. C .8 overnight.nice and windy right now.the Zamal dreams outside is like the leaning tower of pizza .she’s getting heavy..

We used to blow the rain off with an electric leaf blower in the mornings when doing big outdoor plants. Looking great man!!

 

[Max]

thats a great idea stoney ..i was thinking about that a week ago.those blowers can get real pricey .i was shaking all the water off them but they were drooping real bad…I’m was surprised they never ripped a branch off.some still havnt recovered and are twisted sideways .

 

[stonemason]

I have heard those dragon genetics are pretty resistant to mold and midew.has that been your experience with them?

 

[Max]

They are pretty good for mold but it really comes down to the grower and your enviroment.outside here it is un avoidable when your packing dense buds.low temps and humidity in the 90s .i grow in a shed so whatever the weathers doing it plays a huge part on how the room runs..I’ve used hepa filters on the passive side and have still gotten mold .it just finds its way in.it’s always the biggest densest buds that get it.usual 2 or 3 buds ..that’s not bad though..I can get huge rh swings here and my 2 dehueys battle to keep it down.small rooms packed to the rafters doesn’t help .lol.ive had none last grows so it’s been good.