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Moe.Red said:
Aha no, I'm all good. Just a saying. Means if I'm breathing, I'm growing weed.

I had an discussion with someone that believes that when this happens, you are doing something special and stacking trichomes on top of trichomes and that whole bud turns to crystal THC goodness. I believe that is well short of the truth, and the only thing that is happening is you are bleaching the bud and making it worse.

I've seen blog posts and forum posts on it. When this plant shot up, I let it rather than bend that cola down. I can predictably make white buds under this light in that spot, so I said why not.

The test on THC levels of this bud vs another on the same plant that is not bleached will be the decider.



I am also trying to show what I mean when I say light stress is not what some people seem to think it is. I can't tell you how many times I have seen misleading posts by folks who say that you are burning your plants with light, and what they are really doing is growing faster than the support they have underneath.

Soap box...

When you increase PPFD by lowering lights or turning them up, you are essentially stepping on the gas for how fast the plant will grow. This often exposes existing problems. Things like nute imbalances that burn or discolor leaves. You know what I am talking about. Quite often the advise from other growers is "too much light - back it down!" And yes, this will help by slowing growth (and therefore nutrient, water, CO2, and other needs) and making the plant look better. But what is really happening is that the grow is not optimal in some way. When you push on the gas pedal, those things start to appear. The light is not the cause, the poor root system, poor nutrient balance, poor watering, poor whatever the weak link is just happens to get exposed.

If you look at my plant there, the effects of LIGHT are clearly shown. But you do not see leaves dying or other symptoms. That is because the grow is dialed in, and you are seeing the damage of ONLY too much light.

I don't know if I am making myself clear here, but what I am saying is that the claim of light stress that I hear over and over again is just wrong. If the plant and environment was in balance, more light would be no problem, up to the limits of the genetics, until you get so high that you start to bleach your plants. THAT is light stress.

I'm not saying that you should not back your lights down if you run into trouble, you should. It slows the plant down and gives you time to react. But often it seems like the answer is back off the light and leave it backed off. To me that shows a lack of deeper understanding of the whole plant and it's processes. My point would be to back it off, fix what is wrong with your grow, then turn it back up. Or at least learn from this and do it better next time.

This plant is proof that light strong enough to bleach a plant DOES NOT create nute burn or whatever symptom you are getting. Other than the bleaching and taco shaped leaves just around the white bud, this plant is perfectly happy, and even the leaves around the white bud look better than a lot of what I see posted.

Not trying to pat myself on the back here, just trying to dispel myths with facts and testing.
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Isnt this the result of photo-oxidation?

And then would the plant try to produce more trichomes as a defense mechanism against this?

This will be cool to see, thanks Moe.
 
Moe.Red said:
Aha no, I'm all good. Just a saying. Means if I'm breathing, I'm growing weed.

I had an discussion with someone that believes that when this happens, you are doing something special and stacking trichomes on top of trichomes and that whole bud turns to crystal THC goodness. I believe that is well short of the truth, and the only thing that is happening is you are bleaching the bud and making it worse.

I've seen blog posts and forum posts on it. When this plant shot up, I let it rather than bend that cola down. I can predictably make white buds under this light in that spot, so I said why not.

The test on THC levels of this bud vs another on the same plant that is not bleached will be the decider.



I am also trying to show what I mean when I say light stress is not what some people seem to think it is. I can't tell you how many times I have seen misleading posts by folks who say that you are burning your plants with light, and what they are really doing is growing faster than the support they have underneath.

Soap box...

When you increase PPFD by lowering lights or turning them up, you are essentially stepping on the gas for how fast the plant will grow. This often exposes existing problems. Things like nute imbalances that burn or discolor leaves. You know what I am talking about. Quite often the advise from other growers is "too much light - back it down!" And yes, this will help by slowing growth (and therefore nutrient, water, CO2, and other needs) and making the plant look better. But what is really happening is that the grow is not optimal in some way. When you push on the gas pedal, those things start to appear. The light is not the cause, the poor root system, poor nutrient balance, poor watering, poor whatever the weak link is just happens to get exposed.

If you look at my plant there, the effects of LIGHT are clearly shown. But you do not see leaves dying or other symptoms. That is because the grow is dialed in, and you are seeing the damage of ONLY too much light.

I don't know if I am making myself clear here, but what I am saying is that the claim of light stress that I hear over and over again is just wrong. If the plant and environment was in balance, more light would be no problem, up to the limits of the genetics, until you get so high that you start to bleach your plants. THAT is light stress.

I'm not saying that you should not back your lights down if you run into trouble, you should. It slows the plant down and gives you time to react. But often it seems like the answer is back off the light and leave it backed off. To me that shows a lack of deeper understanding of the whole plant and it's processes. My point would be to back it off, fix what is wrong with your grow, then turn it back up. Or at least learn from this and do it better next time.

This plant is proof that light strong enough to bleach a plant DOES NOT create nute burn or whatever symptom you are getting. Other than the bleaching and taco shaped leaves just around the white bud, this plant is perfectly happy, and even the leaves around the white bud look better than a lot of what I see posted.

Not trying to pat myself on the back here, just trying to dispel myths with facts and testing.
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Makes perfect sense.
 
My bet says a hair to much lower.
Terps are the fire retardant to heat and oxidation often, but there has been no proof this type of stress increases THC.
People today are 95% sold on looks, hence the popularity of picture contest.
They will give a good looking bud a shot over a average even with other info provided. 🤷‍♂️
 
steamroller said:
My bet says a hair to much lower.
Terps are the fire retardant to heat and oxidation often, but there has been no proof this type of stress increases THC.
People today are 95% sold on looks, hence the popularity of picture contest.
They will give a good looking bud a shot over a average even with other info provided. 🤷‍♂️
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I blame High Times.😋
True test IMO is aroma.
Live and in person, it's smell for me and there's certain visual signals that go along with it.
Like if somebody walks in the room or you pass by them on the sidewalk and you smell dank in their pocket, that's good pot. Not burning weed but bag smell.
At the same time if somebody has to do this to get a whiff

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It's likely average to below average. Good pot would burn that dude's sinuses that close.
 
I have a arc lighter.

Coco Lopez said:
Who ever said I'm not batshit cray doesn't know me.
I have obtained "The Child" and Grogu Chia is surely to take things to the next level.
Wait till my bamboo sticks and copper wire get here 🤣 and I electrocute-aculture my ladies to death, or stardom
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Wonder what happens when I touch a plant with it briefly, besides an obvious burn.

Would it "stimulate" growth?
😉

I've no way to measure this.
 
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Observer said:
I have a arc lighter.


Wonder what happens when I touch a plant with it briefly, besides an obvious burn.

Would it "stimulate" growth?
😉

I've no way to measure this.
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hah i know they seem to "sound" like they don't like it when I touch my electric buzz zapper to a leaf on accident. But what about 1ft bamboo sticks, with copper wire wound around them, and 2 of them in a triangle inside a 5gal pot :oops:
 
Coco Lopez said:
So is the bleaching just from intentionally allowing to get close to the light or did you do anything else?
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Yes, too close to the light.

This is an unusual LED. 130* COBS, then a high dose of color right in the middle. The result is predictably this white tip in that spot. Back the light away 12" and no white tip.
 
Coco Lopez said:
hah i know they seem to "sound" like they don't like it when I touch my electric buzz zapper to a leaf on accident. But what about 1ft bamboo sticks, with copper wire wound around them, and 2 of them in a triangle inside a 5gal pot :oops:
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Run a charge to the wire(s?) Produce an electric field(?)

Slight electrical charge added to the medium(?)
 
Observer said:
Run a charge to the wire(s?) Produce an electric field(?)

Slight electrical charge added to the medium(?)
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I have seen side by side studies of electrical current and healthy organisms in soil are sensitive to it. I remember we would flood our yards and shock them to cause worms to come to the surface so we could use them to fish with. Same thing would happen in living soil if ran a current of any kind. I'd think it would piss off your healthy and beneficial organisms. Also the studies I've seen showed it actually hurts the growth rather than helps.

That however I feel is quite different than Electroculture. Quite interested in my friends @CannaGranny and @TSD in reference to some of these subjects. It seems so simple to me after listening to enough of what I consider "factual" information in reference to certain energy. Bay salt? 432Hz? Makes sense

I will try simple electroculture with copper wire and bamboo sticks this grow but won't be a measurable test. I think i will be able to tell though. For $40 I said wth and I'm going to be growing alot of outdoor fruits and vegetables as well and will try outdoors as well.

Very interested in what anyone thinks this Matt guy is saying that is NOT true

 
I’ve seen the worm thing done when I was wee. Car battery and two dowsing rods. (Haven’t seen that done in a long time either but I hear wells still get done that way)

Low current works for health as well as harm. Lots of therapy use it for muscles.

I’d be interested to hear how that goes. Not something I’m able to do ATM but I could watch.
 
Zen_seeker said:
I’ve seen the worm thing done when I was wee. Car battery and two dowsing rods. (Haven’t seen that done in a long time either but I hear wells still get done that way)

Low current works for health as well as harm. Lots of therapy use it for muscles.

I’d be interested to hear how that goes. Not something I’m able to do ATM but I could watch.
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Dowsing for where to dig" your well is alive and well " here in Montana. Father in law was a member of a dowsing club that met regularly at a members home in roundup mt
 
smoke said:
Dowsing for where to dig" your well is alive and well " here in Montana. Father in law was a member of a dowsing club that met regularly at a members home in roundup mt
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Most people up North I’ve heard talk still hire a dowser(?) even if they hire a pro. They still seem to find the water as often as anything else. 🤷‍♂️

I can smell water often. When rains coming. Driving on the bike or jeep near a creek or body of water unseen. Same if walking in the bush.

Most people don’t believe it until I prove it. It’s just I grew up in the city but spent a lot of time in the bush. Or dense parks near home. The kind the call nature trails. Your body learns to identify things and smell is one of the best/strongest.

So I don’t know how it works exactly but I do think some might have better tuned senses to do so.
 
Coco Lopez said:
That is fkin awesome. I wonder if they just use wood or if there is some benefit to using copper wire as an antenna
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The ones I’ve seen use metal rods about 12”-18” long and bent into an L shape.

They hold a little strange, by the sort side, depending on the dowser(?). Then they follow the pull until the two rods cross. Usually do it a few times to make sure from different approaches.

Small branches from a tree used to be used but haven’t seen that, that I recall, unless TV.
 
Zen_seeker said:
The ones I’ve seen use metal rods about 12”-18” long and bent into an L shape.

They hold a little strange, by the sort side, depending on the dowser(?). Then they follow the pull until the two rods cross. Usually do it a few times to make sure from different approaches.

Small branches from a tree used to be used but haven’t seen that, that I recall, unless TV.
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Willow branch, its for real you can see the willow branch jumping before going straight down with a lot of force
 
Zen_seeker said:
I’ve seen the worm thing done when I was wee. Car battery and two dowsing rods. (Haven’t seen that done in a long time either but I hear wells still get done that way)

Low current works for health as well as harm. Lots of therapy use it for muscles.

I’d be interested to hear how that goes. Not something I’m able to do ATM but I could watch.
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I've seen it in that 1998 godzilla scene, lol.
 
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smoke said:
Dowsing for where to dig" your well is alive and well " here in Montana. Father in law was a member of a dowsing club that met regularly at a members home in roundup mt
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I dowse, aka water witching by the old timers. I was taught by my grandfather using a forked peach tree branch. I’m also able to use rods to find gas and electric lines. It’s certainly alive and well in the Ozarks too!
 
Coco Lopez said:
I have seen side by side studies of electrical current and healthy organisms in soil are sensitive to it. I remember we would flood our yards and shock them to cause worms to come to the surface so we could use them to fish with. Same thing would happen in living soil if ran a current of any kind. I'd think it would piss off your healthy and beneficial organisms. Also the studies I've seen showed it actually hurts the growth rather than helps.

That however I feel is quite different than Electroculture. Quite interested in my friends @CannaGranny and @TSD in reference to some of these subjects. It seems so simple to me after listening to enough of what I consider "factual" information in reference to certain energy. Bay salt? 432Hz? Makes sense

I will try simple electroculture with copper wire and bamboo sticks this grow but won't be a measurable test. I think i will be able to tell though. For $40 I said wth and I'm going to be growing alot of outdoor fruits and vegetables as well and will try outdoors as well.

Very interested in what anyone thinks this Matt guy is saying that is NOT true

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I’m not do anything to piss my dirt off. I do have another friend currently (no pun intended) 🤣😂😊 doing this as a test, but he never mastered just a living soil grow, so the outcome will certainly lack comparables. I guess if he grows anything it will be considered a score to him.
The human body responds to a certain MHz. This is known as the Solfeggio effect. It is used a lot in healing. Some MGz are beneficial to the human body and some are not. I suspect it could be the same with plants.
As for me, no more tests. No new mediums nor feeding practices. I’ll just stick with the outcome I currently have and be happy 🥰
 
Zen_seeker said:
Most people up North I’ve heard talk still hire a dowser(?) even if they hire a pro. They still seem to find the water as often as anything else. 🤷‍♂️

I can smell water often. When rains coming. Driving on the bike or jeep near a creek or body of water unseen. Same if walking in the bush.

Most people don’t believe it until I prove it. It’s just I grew up in the city but spent a lot of time in the bush. Or dense parks near home. The kind the call nature trails. Your body learns to identify things and smell is one of the best/strongest.

So I don’t know how it works exactly but I do think some might have better tuned senses to do so.
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Petrichor
 
CannaGranny said:
I dowse, aka water witching by the old timers. I was taught by my grandfather using a forked peach tree branch. I’m also able to use rods to find gas and electric lines. It’s certainly alive and well in the Ozarks too!
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Any particular reason for using a peach tree, i think the willow is chosen because of its appetite for water
 
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