Newbie learning how to hydro

[moe.red]

This snot needs to die a sudden death

 

[moe.red]

Red pen looks like fungus on your stalk. Very bad juju.

Blue pen looks like it might be a stick or some kind of organic matter? Anything other than inert substrate like hydroton and perlite needs to go.

Black pen looks very much like a colony forming. Probably bad.

I hate to disturb little plants, but I would seriously consider taking the top layer of perlite off as I am seeing all kinds of contamination growing in multiple spots. Then make sure you also get the peroxide treated water thru the media everywhere.


This is totally recoverable, but those plants are in stress right now.

 

[Bushman]

Very well, very well!!
No worries!!

Awww men, that means i shouldn't use sphagnum moss lol. Roger that

I'll try to remove some of that upper perlite layer, and im already at collecting RO water. Tomorrow i should find a pharmacy to get some peroxide, until my order comes.

You know what folks, you are the best!!!<<<<<
I already learned so much stuff with you.
So many things are making sense now.

So many mistakes.. i must say i totally misunderstood hydroponics. But its fine. Imagine, this is my best try yet..

I running a very busy work schedule, so on my previous tries i just haven't had any time to join a community. All failed lol

But darn'it!!! I want to know how to hydro!!!

I'll see what I can do now.
Would you spray some 3% peroxide on those roots or on the crown rot?

Your time is super appreciated

Kind regards

 

[moe.red]

Very well, very well!!
No worries!!

Awww men, that means i shouldn't use sphagnum moss lol. Roger that

I'll try to remove some of that upper perlite layer, and im already at collecting RO water. Tomorrow i should find a pharmacy to get some peroxide, until my order comes.

You know what folks, you are the best!!!<<<<<
I already learned so much stuff with you.
So many things are making sense now.

So many mistakes.. i must say i totally misunderstood hydroponics. But its fine. Imagine, this is my best try yet..

I running a very busy work schedule, so on my previous tries i just haven't had any time to join a community. All failed lol

But darn'it!!! I want to know how to hydro!!!

I'll see what I can do now.
Would you spray some 3% peroxide on those roots or on the crown rot?

Your time is super appreciated

Kind regards

Forgot you mentioned moss. Meant to say something about that earlier.

A suitable replacement would be rock wool. 1” cubes or similar is a perfect way to start seeds for RDWC.

Moss will guarantee you grow all kinds of colonies unless you actively prevent it with peroxide or chlorine from day 0. I would not even recommend going live with beneficial bacteria supplements if using an organic like moss. It will be a race to see which colony is faster to get a start good or bad bacteria. An avoidable risk on your next grow.

How is that water temp?

I’d also recommend looking for something to block light from hitting the roots. I’m betting light is getting thru those lids. Towels are good as long as they do not stay wet or otherwise promote microbial growth.

The good news is the learning curve is worth it. I did a side by side between soil and rdwc in the same tent from clones and the hydro plant was more than 3x the size / yield. Quality was evaluated using blind testing and the results were 50/50 who liked what better. Meaning statistically no difference in terms of smoke in the end.

Also keep in mind that most people don’t make it as far as you have. Think about how much better your next grow will be. If you want inspiration look at Sweetleaf grows and cool beans and buzzking and a few others that have a short time under their belt but are crushing it. Grumpazz too.

I know I’m forgetting folks but I just went to the garage to sample some gusher runtz so stoner memory rn

 

[Observer]

I am still learning the art of RDWC my bro so I would like to hear from @Moe.Red about this, but if this were me and I had no other advice, I would think hard about changing out your res and restarting with a new set of nutrient ratios 1:1:1:1 Cal/mag-Brown-Green-Pink, ppm no more than 200 and see how they respond.

I agree

Res reset

 

[Bushman]

Moe.

Folks, you are wonderful

My water temps are 18-20.
Oh, the lids are painted with many layers of paint, black underneath, white on top.
But i digging what you saying about light.
Those net pots has small openings on top, clay pebbles are not covering every spot, I'll see what i can do.
Sorry for asking again, but what about spraying some 3%peroxide on roots or crown rot.

Best wishes

 

[moe.red]

Would you spray some 3% peroxide on those roots or on the crown rot?

Absolutely. And also get the entire media wet with it. My guess is you have a helluva colony growing under the surface that will require multiple doses.

Water temps good. You just need to kill off any biologics at this point, no other changes needed. I'd hold off on the res change until you have flushed with peroxide a time or 2. That way you can get rid of the dead organic sludge that will happen as you kill off these microbes along with draining the system.

 

[moe.red]

Buddy, I'm baffled. Can you help me understand the plumbing here?

 

[Bushman]

Sure

I saw one of these, and i made me one:

Alien XL 8 Pot RDWC System - Hydro Grow Eastbourne

Recirculating DWC Systems Super oxygenated nutrient solution Uniform PH & EC No medium required 32mm pipe and fittings No electronics, plug in and grow Custom systems available in any size Collapsable water tank included Can be used with water chillers

www.hydro-grow.co.uk

Each tube is 1 inch

 

[Bushman]

Oh yeah
Also my water pump is outside

 

[smoke]

Oh yeah
Also my water pump is outside

Is your air pump above water level to prevent the siphon factor if your power was to go off

 

[Bushman]

Hey smoke!!
No
I was thinking what to do about it, and ordered some non turn valves.

 

[smoke]

Hey smoke!!
No
I was thinking what to do about it, and ordered some non turn valves.

Place it above water level or in-line check valves

 

[steamroller]

Hey smoke!!
No
I was thinking what to do about it, and ordered some non turn valves.

Place it above water level or in-line check valves

You want your pump up above water lavel.
If that can't be done get extra line and run it up way above the water level so water will not be able to defeat it.
Don't trust check valves to do it all.
Some even reduce pumps efficiency or cause overheating.

 

[GoodShit97]

Don't trust check valves to do it all.
Some even reduce pumps efficiency or cause overheating.

Kids fish tank pump has a check valve and i had it like an inch above the tank, water went all the way to the pump when the power went out.

>"Don't trust check valves to do it all" <<<

Now its 3 feet above the tank and no issues.

 

[SSgrower]

And I am still learning Coco coir, there is a lot to Hydro, and I am not ready but my coco travels are prospering fine so far. Carry On. I am following

 

[Bushman]

Good day sirs !!!

Already finished with changing my water.
Ppm's are done also, 201 with 1:1:1:1 ratios.
Also rinsed net pots with some 1% peroxide solution. And since i haven't found any pharmacy, the only 0.5lt of 3% peroxide i had, went to my 130lt (34.3Gallons) system.

I will change the water once again in a few days. Before I'll do that, I will add peroxide 35% I'll start with 3ml/Gallon.
As Moe said, to clean the system from a dead bacteria before changing reservoir

I also ordered some calcium hypochlorite.
Observer hey!!!
I noticed different strength percentages on different packages of hypochlorite. Which strength% do you have, you mentioned something about adding 1gr to 1 Gallon.

So, let's see what happens

 

[Bushman]

Greetings sirs!!
Hope you all doing well

My research continues here lol
So, it's been two days since i changed reservoir and kept ppm at 201. Water temps are around 19, and ph~5.9.
I'll change reservoir again in a couple of days.
Also will flush those net post with some peroxide solution once again.

Plants showed a little new growth btw, but there is some deficiency noticeable also. Maybe i should raise some ppm's?

All your comments are super appreciated folks!!

Peace

 

[moe.red]

Greetings sirs!!
Hope you all doing well

My research continues here lol
So, it's been two days since i changed reservoir and kept ppm at 201. Water temps are around 19, and ph~5.9.
I'll change reservoir again in a couple of days.
Also will flush those net post with some peroxide solution once again.

Plants showed a little new growth btw, but there is some deficiency noticeable also. Maybe i should raise some ppm's?

All your comments are super appreciated folks!!

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The key here is to get the snot under control. Get the fungus out of the stalk and root zone.

With the snot on your roots, it severely hinders the uptake of water and nutes. Thats how root rot kills the plant - by starving it.

Key here would be pics of the roots and stalk area like before so we can compare.

You can also mechanically clean the roots in by spraying them gently in the sink. This might give you some instant relief.

But no, I would advise against changing EC until the bacteria is under control.

I would also back the lights waaaay down either move them away or turn them down or both. Give them time to recover without putting them to work.

 

[Bushman]

Moe.Red!!!
Hey and thanks!!!

Sure, i attaching a pic of that stalk, and some different roots.

Actually i was thinking of preparing some peroxide solution and submerging those net pots for some time into it, so peroxide can do its job.

Very well

 

[moe.red]

OK looking much improved bushman. I think you have the infection under control.

I have to say tho, that stalk looks in pretty bad shape. I'm rooting for you, (pun intended) but I'm concerned that plant might not make it. You have some scar tissue forming, so let's baby it and see for a few more days. But you might want to consider getting some seeds ready for a do-over just to remove some challenges in your first harvest. Totally your call on that.

 

[Bushman]

OK looking much improved bushman. I think you have the infection under control.

I have to say tho, that stalk looks in pretty bad shape. I'm rooting for you, (pun intended) but I'm concerned that plant might not make it. You have some scar tissue forming, so let's baby it and see for a few more days. But you might want to consider getting some seeds ready for a do-over just to remove some challenges in your first harvest. Totally your call on that.

Lol, yeah, as you said, today i started some new seeds germination.

But I'll also continue to nurture those unlucky plants, to see what happens and to learn

Thank you Moe.Red

 

[moe.red]

Lol, yeah, as you said, today i started some new seeds germination.

But I'll also continue to nurture those unlucky plants, to see what happens and to learn

Thank you Moe.Red

Learning curve is steep but worth it. Don't give up!

 

[Max]

I’d have to agree 100% with moe.once you get these things happening to them from the beginning they just struggle so it is best to pull the pin and start fresh.the new seedlings will catch them very quickly.

 

[Observer]

3 options.

Live using beneficial microbes and or fungi
Sterile using caustics like h2o2 or chlorine
Nothing just wing it.

Smoke is the only one I know who purposefully does the 3rd with consistent good results. But he is a master grower with everything dialed in.

I have traditionally done live. I started with sterile and moved to live as I got better. This grow I’m doing neither just for giggles but have peroxide on the shelf just in case.

Between peroxide and bleach my preference is peroxide because as it breaks down it adds o2 in the root zone. 1 dose per week getting to 10ppm is a good preventative dose. How much that is in your system depends on the water volume and the % peroxide you are using. In the states 3, 12, and 30% are common concentrations. I think I’ve seen 20% in Europe.

Hydrogen Peroxide H2O2 Test Strips, Low Level, 0-100 ppm [Vial of 100 Strips] https://a.co/d/hzoHwB0

If you can find these it makes it pretty easy.

If you need to treat root rot 25 ppm every 3 days for 2 weeks then back down to the 10ppm per week to keep it gone.

even better, did not have the h2o2 ppm/test strips info

I'll have to get some

Thanks moe.

 

[moe.red]

And news bushman?

 

[Bushman]

And news bushman?

Hey Moe!!
Good day!!

Yes!!
Good news are, i already germinated new seeds and getting ready to do things right. This time i germinated in rockwool. Also received good amount of h2o2 to work with.
Bad news are, i found that my ppm pen is not working correctly, and that's sucks... That was one of the causes of my fail, probably. Already ordered a new one

I don't see those previous plants getting better, poor girls got screwed badly.. But that's fine, I'll try to do my homework better now.

Struggling a little bit with tight work schedule, but I'll make it.
I'll be back with an update soon

Thank you so much for showing interest with such a noob like me.
I really appreciate it

And news bushman?

 

[smoke]

I don't see those previous plants getting better, poor girls got screwed badly

I wouldn't trash them all. Keep the best as a trial against these new seeds, you'll be surprised.

Ph problems explains some of your plants issues, it will be interesting to read the new pen. How did you find out your old pen was messed up?

 

[moe.red]

I'm thinking it was his EC pen?

 

[Bushman]

I'm thinking it was his EC pen?

Yes, sorry
EC pen..

Smoke, hi !!!
I bought a cheap one for spare and it showed totally different measurements.
Now i also ordered a pricey one to compare those measurements.

Peace and love

 

[moe.red]

Is your ph pen ok too? Those do require maintenance if you dry them out.

 

[Bushman]

Is your ph pen ok too? Those do require maintenance if you dry them out.

Recently i bought this one, looks legit.
By maintenance you mean calibration? Maybe i should order some calibration liquids also..

Milwaukee Sharp pH51 pH metr | led-grower.eu

Milwaukee Sharp pH51 pH metr. Milwaukee Sharp pH51 waterproof pH tester with replaceable electrode. We RECOMMEND cleaning and maintenance solutions for all PH meters, which can prolong the life of the probe several times, which is only covered by the 6-month statutory warranty!

www.led-grower.eu

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

By maintenance you mean calibration? Maybe i should order some calibration liquids also..

I think what Moe meant is keeping the pH probe sensor in a storage solution. If you let them dry out, they are toast. They do need to be calibrated from time to time too, yes.

 

[Bushman]

Thanks SweetLeafGrow
I'll grab some of storage solution also

 

[moe.red]

Yeah they sell it I’m sure



Without maint you will be roughly right on ph. Which was smokes point above ph can have a big impact on plant health in hydro.

If it’s easier to get your hands on chemicals there you can make your own storage solution. The probe relies on this solution as a reference point inside the probe.

 

[Bushman]

Here i have some new auto seedlings.

I left them in a small 'tub propagator thing', for a couple of days, in hope to get a bigger tap root before putting them into net pots
Everything is as clean as possible.
Clay pebbles are sterile boiled, water is clean bottled, with some Terra Aquatica pro roots stimulator dose.
Weather is pretty cold, so im happy that i have some hps to warm them.

Other plants didn't end up well. Without lights on, it was also pretty cold in the room, so they where wilting..
But hey,don't worry, what you gonna do, its a battle here, and there is battlefield casualties lol

Now I'll prepare and clean the system one more time.
Also building a mini dwc system for seedlings, just for fun and to try something. It would be cool to have those net pots already with some roots before adding them in final buckets, something like faster transition..

We'll see..

Kind regards and thanks

 

[Bushman]

Greetings sirs!!
I hope you all doing well

What a storm yesterday.. Had a 12 hours power outage lol.. happily i was running only hps for seedlings and a water pump.
I decided to sterilise my system with calcium hypochlorite (70%), very good stuff, almost non smelly and effective, i watched all that aquatic bacteria die almost instantly.
Gladly I'm ready for future power outages, i acquired couple of car batteries, an inverter and a charger. Those might help with air pumps at least.

Those seedlings are at day 9 after i soaked those seeds. Mind the seedling with yellow tips, it opened up like that, doesn't look bad to me right now.
As you see, i found some 1.2 gallon jugs with almost perfect fit, covered them with a black nylon and placed those net pots in them. Mind the crappy foil, i was looking for something simple to temporarily cover holes and light... those jugs are work in progress lol.. I wanted to make a mini dwc for seedlings, but I'm still waiting for air splitters.
Rockwool cubes are placed somewhere in the middle of a net pot. Water level slightly touches lower levels of net pot and hydroton. Basically something like kratky right? I'll change the water tomorrow and wait for some roots to show up (worked for me previously ). Right after they'll be going into the System.
Here i wanted to ask, what are your starting ppm's guys. Right now they are in RO water with some TA root stimulator and 3ml/lt of 3% peroxide.
Previously received my new EC pen, calibration fluids and storage solution for PH pen.

Hope i ain't done any stupidity once again lol


Thanks for taking your time and reading

 

[Bushman]

My fellers scientists and botanists!!
Newbie reporting!!

It's a pleasure learning from you

Just changed water in the jugs yesterday. This time i made nutrient solution with 210 ppm for start, 1.1.1.1 cal mag, green, brown, pink ratios. Also added a little of 3% peroxide and TA roots stimulator.
WoW i was surprised, looked like plants loved it, i already saw difference after 10 hours. Even a problematic looking seedling was happy.
I love seeing happy plants!!!

On Tuesday they'll probably go into their final reservoirs. We'll see, depends on their root development. If no, I'll change water one more time..

I noticed some weird salt buid up in my micro(brown) nutrien bottle, why so, maybe its expired? Also bought this CX wilt guard stuff. What do you guys think? I think that i might have felt victim of marketing one more time lol. Says, it prevents root problems

In case if i doing stupid things, don't hesitate to comment. Big thanks for helping guys

Kind regards

 

[Bushman]

Here comes the first roots!!
Gotta prepare the system asap

Starting RDWC ppm's will be around 250

 

[GrumpAzz]

Are those 4 inch netpots? It seems to take my seedlings forever to show roots with 6 inch pots.