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Do you think bee pollen would benefit them as well?
I don't think bees take or refine anything harmful to the plants whatsoever


Certainly some stuff is better than the rest. Pollen is mostly carbohydrates and protein


I especially like the ideas of the short chain fatty acid and sucrose in the honeycomb. In addition to the hormones... Enzymes and phenols....


Honeycomb is interesting stuff but I also like things like pure tricontolol or using alfalfa as a tricontolol source material. Especially in an outdoor setting....

Alfalfa really can be a game changer IMO. Using a common pathway possibly.

I try to use all the advantages I can muster. Even if there's overlap sometimes
 
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There's not a lot on it.

Few Chinese universities(?) Have studied it, maybe some American in the 1800s or so.

Not a lot of research on it, I've been all over it.

@Aqua Man , the main idea is supposedly using electricity to ""STIMULATE"" plants by "shocking" them, increasing ion/nutrient uptake(?)


------and there's this ----

"""bare copper wires have been suspended three metres above ground level. The cables run the full length of the greenhouses and carry rapid pulses of positive charge, up to 50,000 volts. These high-voltage bursts kill bacteria and viral plant diseases both in the air and the soil. They also affect the surface tension of any water droplets on the leaves of plants, accelerating vaporization.""

""introduction of electricity into the plants’ immediate environment is also credited with helping assist the transportation of naturally charged particles, such as bicarbonate and calcium ions, within the plants.

It also seems to speed up metabolic activities like carbon dioxide absorption and photosynthesis""



Again, you know the basics way more than I do, so I don't know how this builds off that.
IMO first red light in your post is Chinese anything! Sorry to get political boys and girls!
 
Athena I was right around 2.75 per light. And I am in Cali so I know what is quality.
Damnit I honestly was on the fence about Athena and JRCroptech and now I seriously question my decision not to go with Athena. As always with this hobby or profession try try again! Thank you Anthem now I’m gonna have to run Athena if JRCroptech doesn’t kill it within a run or 2. I would honestly recommend Jacks to anyone switching to hydro because it’s simple and easy to tweak. I just decided to run down a new rabbit hole looking for better/more. Only time will tell!

Peace out,

LJ
 
IMO the best thing we can do is separate soil and hydro topics ASAP. From my experience they are very different and anyone trying this expensive hobby out in the beginning that doesn’t even know what the different substrates are will spend an incredible amount of time, effort, and money not following the recommended grow style they think they are doing.

Perhaps I’m slow but it took me 6+ months to figure out the difference in organics and salts. Let alone outdoor folks should have their own as well. It was very easy for my slow ass to get confused as hell in the beginning and read 2 hours of the wrong info for what I thought I was doing! Again maybe I’m just slow but I honestly think the entire site should be 3 different forums about Outdoor, soil, and hydro. Perhaps this would also help with the questions being asked and give everyone more time to share their knowledge in the proper forum/format.

Honestly just my thoughts and after 10 years of doing this I know the buzz words and where to look for the info I seek. But it was seriously a bitch in the beginning when I didn’t know which way was up!

Peace out,

LJ
 
I don't think bees take or refine anything harmful to the plants whatsoever


Certainly some stuff is better than the rest. Pollen is mostly carbohydrates and protein


I especially like the ideas of the short chain fatty acid and sucrose in the honeycomb. In addition to the hormones... Enzymes and phenols....


Honeycomb is interesting stuff but I also like things like pure tricontolol or using alfalfa as a tricontolol source material. Especially in an outdoor setting....

Alfalfa really can be a game changer IMO. Using a common pathway possibly.

I try to use all the advantages I can muster. Even if there's overlap sometimes
Good source of triacontanol
 
IMO first red light in your post is Chinese anything! Sorry to get political boys and girls!
I wouldn't discount anything Chinese. That's just being biased without even looking at the evidence


Chinese agriculture is pretty amazing IMO and there at the forefront on some of the research. Especially organics...

For instance, Some of the research about tricontolol emerged out of public Chinese studies. Same thing with getting the pure isolates. Chinese orgin and best prices..
 
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IMO the best thing we can do is separate soil and hydro topics ASAP. From my experience they are very different and anyone trying this expensive hobby out in the beginning that doesn’t even know what the different substrates are will spend an incredible amount of time, effort, and money not following the recommended grow style they think they are doing.

Perhaps I’m slow but it took me 6+ months to figure out the difference in organics and salts. Let alone outdoor folks should have their own as well. It was very easy for my slow ass to get confused as hell in the beginning and read 2 hours of the wrong info for what I thought I was doing! Again maybe I’m just slow but I honestly think the entire site should be 3 different forums about Outdoor, soil, and hydro. Perhaps this would also help with the questions being asked and give everyone more time to share their knowledge in the proper forum/format.

Honestly just my thoughts and after 10 years of doing this I know the buzz words and where to look for the info I seek. But it was seriously a bitch in the beginning when I didn’t know which way was up!

Peace out,

LJ
I think it's natural to try and mix methods. Everyone thinks that they have a idea....

I made similar errors early in the process

I do think they need to be separate conversations like you said but I think reinforcement and talking about it helps more than anything


What NOT to do or try, and the why's....
 
Good source of triacontanol
I have used alfalfa meal on several different plants in the garden, each of them seemed to stall for about a week, then explosive growth.

I’m not sure what that week or so is doing to get the growth ready, but it’s amazing to see. Wake up one day and every plant looks twice as big!
 
Another example is nitrification in hydro. Some would go by an absolute rule and as aqua point out it's really the boom bust and wild pH jump in a few hours sometimes...


So knowing >0.1 is a doubling in the H+ ion concentrations become critical.
Cause pH isn't linear... It's an exponential scale

The pH scale is logarithmic, meaning that an increase or decrease of an integer value changes the concentration by a tenfold. For example, a pH of 3 is ten times more acidic than a pH of 4. Likewise, a pH of 3 is one hundred times more acidic than a pH of 5. Similarly a pH of 11 is ten times more basic than a pH of 10.download (6).jpeg
 
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I have used alfalfa meal on several different plants in the garden, each of them seemed to stall for about a week, then explosive growth.

I’m not sure what that week or so is doing to get the growth ready, but it’s amazing to see. Wake up one day and every plant looks twice as big!
My guess is it's something else in the meal or a decomposition reaction of some sort

Difficult to say for sure
 
Day/Night Growth Cycles. Does day comprise of food manufacturing and night of plant growth including roots or does day do both and night rests? Are there any processes happening during "sleep"? Do plants actually "sleep"? If they're delivering food throughout and growing what can be done to promote maximizing these processes?
 
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Day/Night Growth Cycles. Does day comprise of food manufacturing and night of plant growth including roots or does day do both and night rests? Are there any processes happening during "sleep"? Do plants actually "sleep"? If they're delivering food throughout and growing what can be done to promote maximizing these processes?
I've read about dropping the temp 5-10 degrees at night but haven't done it yet. When I was prepping the tent, I let the temps fall overnight but have kept it constant since the plant was introduced. I had to do an automation with the heater on the ACI app to get the night temps to only drop a little. This caused some screwy things on the app and I have since abandoned the idea. That was a couple updates ago, however.
 
Day/Night Growth Cycles. Does day comprise of food manufacturing and night of plant growth including roots or does day do both and night rests? Are there any processes happening during "sleep"? Do plants actually "sleep"? If they're delivering food throughout and growing what can be done to promote maximizing these processes?
Plants dont sleep they perform different processes over the calvin cycle. They produce different metabolites and use up the manufactured energy for growth. They grow day and night balancing the DLI and light cycle can really make a lot if difference. But each genetic will vary slightly on maximization just as they do for nutrients and environment.

This day night cycle benefits the microbes also as they feed on these metabolites and having more metabolites varieties means more attraction of microbes and species of. This is a big reason im not a fan of 24 hr light. The plants dont need rest. Under 24 hr light they will grow but there is evidence that follows exactly along with what i have seen that says plants given a dark period tend to be healthier.

Its all one big balancing act that further proves like everything cannabis related is not more is better
 
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Hey, pic of the month trophies, the show us your best buds pages and top pic was fun, prizes or not a gold star or blue ribbon used to be enough of a reward for top honors. There's a lot of good growers here, keep it simple no prize other than boner points or stars on your profile after a vote for top 3 contenders......
 
Hey, pic of the month trophies, the show us your best buds pages and top pic was fun, prizes or not a gold star or blue ribbon used to be enough of a reward for top honors. There's a lot of good growers here, keep it simple no prize other than boner points or stars on your profile after a vote for top 3 contenders......
Take it one step further and have an actual physical trophy that can also double as a bong!!! 😄

Bud Builders Cup!!!
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Any member can start a thread with a poll.
That would allow entries from others and voting, I think.
Or votes could be counted off emoji value;
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Feel free to start a bud/plant of the month thread.
I love me bud pictures.. Who would have known?:unsure:
 
Would it be best to use a kelp product rather than a blend like @Stoneyluv linked? I'm thinking the kelp product will have other benefits that only humic and fulvic may not provide.
 
Any precipitation issues if I mix it into a large reservoir?

I've only mixed it a gallon at a time. but if you have precipitation with just water than i would have to guess yes it will. i can say for sure that their staff is knowledgeable and helpful at K4L!! i've called them quite a few times over the years and have always answered all my questions. if you buy from them sign up with them first they always have sales and two for one deals. happyplants gets ya 5% i think.
 
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My stuff is liquid and mixes well in my barrel.
I read somewhere there is a difference between dry and liquid.
Something changes or becomes omitted when dried with the fluvic.
Hate to say but look at " The Recipe" by Bill Farthing.

While I use powders when possible, Mr. Fulvic is a liquid to retain amino/organic acids and soluble silica must be formulated as a liquid as well. They are all concentrates, so you are shipping as little water as possible.
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My stuff is liquid and mixes well in my barrel.
I read somewhere there is a difference between dry and liquid.
Something changes or becomes omitted when dried with the fluvic.
Hate to say but look at " The Recipe" by Bill Farthing.

While I use powders when possible, Mr. Fulvic is a liquid to retain amino/organic acids and soluble silica must be formulated as a liquid as well. They are all concentrates, so you are shipping as little water as possible.
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Do you use this recipe or have you in the past?
 
This is one of the reasons I use Neptunes Harvest products. Fulvic, kelp, molasses, and even Yucca Extract for heat tolerance are already in the bottles of the nutes like Veg & Tomato food. So even though I only pour from 2 bottles of product, both bottles pretty much carry a shopping list of ingredients I used to buy and mix separately.
 
The recipe is 3-2-1 with Mr Fluvic and silica.
I don't use silica but just ran 3-2-1.
Pretty sure I was way to light with feed?
 
Do you use this recipe or have you in the past?
For me, Ever since I heard about the salts

Yes, after my jrcoptech salts run out, may buy another bag of jacks 5-12-26 or check other salt options

Base NpK salt ion feed
Calnit 15-0-0 2/25/50 lb bags are cheap AF.
Epsom salt = Magnesium Sulfate

Additives
Silica - potassium silicate and phosphorous acid
Fulvic - Mr fulvic, chelator
Kelp - for foliar


Probably one of the cheapest ways to grow dank, on the fertilizer front.
 
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