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What is Mycorrhizae???

Rootsruler said:
I use Xtreme Gardening Mycos but I'm not sure if FloraNova is killing off the colony. I emailed GH trying to get a response. I asked them if the nutes I was using are usable in an organic setting. The response I got was that soome of the ingredients they use are organic. They didn't say much other than that which, I guess, leads me to believe that they are ok for organic gardening.
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'Nova is 3-5% organic or 95-97% synthetic. GH has always been cagey about it because it stands alone on a patent and nobody else can copy it.

It was my choice when I was into hydro and it delivers results that are very close to organic but not as clean. There are ingredients in it that will kill off some species of microherds but at the same time ingredients in microherd products can kill off each other. In the end, trichoderma usually wins out then it's time to inoculate all over again. Combined with 'Nova, that's about every two weeks.
 
Observer said:
Technically at that point yea, I'd attempt to get the mycos from it, it does have bennies as well.

But my solution always consist of hypo acid and 34% h2o2

The myco seems to live sometimes, but I think I kill it off eventually. Along with the bennies.
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Ok here's what appears fuzzy roots leading to myco/colonized roots

All though these are hit everyday with h2o2 and hypo acid.

If it is myco, which it appears, either they tolerate it, dont care, or built up a tolerance/resistance

(?)
 

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Amnesia said:
@Observer - What type of nutrients are you using?

My understanding is that H2O2 doesn't stop root development.

It only sterilizes the growing medium. So, if you're using synthetic nutrients, growth could still occur. Is the plant healthy?
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No it won't stop it but it can oxidize and kill myco and bacteria as well.

I'd have to read how h2o2 works again, but it releases free radical oxygen molecule(?) And/or a negatively charged oxygen molecule?

And it doesn't interact the same as dissolved oxygen (?)- as in it can be destructive to cells.

I think it was this plant with the myco looking roots, I went ahead and up-potted.

Looks healthy to me, longer node spacing indicates more light.
 

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Amnesia said:
@Observer - What type of nutrients are you using? My understanding is that H2O2 doesn't stop root development. It only sterilizes the growing medium. So, if you're using synthetic nutrients, growth could still occur. Is the plant healthy?
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15-0-0 cal nit
5-12-26
Epsom salt
34% peroxide
Pool shock, super simple.
 

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Observer said:
Ok here's what appears fuzzy roots leading to myco/colonized roots

All though these are hit everyday with h2o2 and hypo acid.

If it is myco, which it appears, either they tolerate it, dont care, or built up a tolerance/resistance

(?)
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Damn that does appear to be some sort of colony on those roots. Kinda throws the whole "sterile" rootzone idea out of the window. Roots looking healthy af
 
Aqua Man said:
Just some info you all may want.

Mycorrhizae & Biostimulants FAQs | Plant Growth, Fungi, and Horticulture Help

Find answers to common questions about mycorrhizae fungi, plant biostimulants, horticulture soil health, and garden growth. Learn how biostimulants support plants.
mycorrhizae.com mycorrhizae.com
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This is extremely helpful. Thanks so much!

According to the "Usage and Application" section, mycorrhizal fungi can be applied in many ways, including by watering, which is different from the advice I've seen on forums. It's also clear that timing may be most important for its application--the sooner it's applied, the better.

It seems to me that mycorrhizal fungi are best for organic growing. Is that right?

It also seems to me that because "mycorrhizal fungi act as living extensions of the plant’s root system," their presence would not directly enhance root growth. Instead, the opposite would be the case because these fungi do what roots cannot do. Therefore, plants need fewer roots. Perhaps the plants produce more roots simply because they're healthier.
 
Bandit420 said:
'Nova is 3-5% organic or 95-97% synthetic. GH has always been cagey about it because it stands alone on a patent and nobody else can copy it.

It was my choice when I was into hydro and it delivers results that are very close to organic but not as clean. There are ingredients in it that will kill off some species of microherds but at the same time ingredients in microherd products can kill off each other. In the end, trichoderma usually wins out then it's time to inoculate all over again. Combined with 'Nova, that's about every two weeks.
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BTW, I was speaking to one of the botanists that worked at one of the LGO's I worked at recently and he told me that when people say that this or that nutrient "kills" microbes that is incorrect. Microbial life doesn't die. It just becomes inactive because conditions aren't conducive to it. Once those conditions are met they will reactivate.

I sent him a link to the site. Hopefully he joins.
 
ZombieRider said:
The roots at the middle are covered in a white fuzzy growth similar to myco. Almost looks like the roots are growing tons if feeder roots though so i cant be sure. Is it possible for anything to survive an h202+hypo acid wash?
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Well it's there, or what looks like colonized roots lol

Maybe those dosages are too small


I do one gram of pool shock for a gallon concentrate, and then 1-5ml of hypo acid with every solution 2-5ml 34% h2o2 every night 2-8waterings a day

Hand-dripping into the cups

That myco would have been from 50 waterings ago or so lol
 
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What I've read is that mycorrhizal fungi are not visible because they're too small. For example...
Mycorrhizal fungi are characterised by very thin hyphae, which are between 1 and 10 thousandths of a millimetre in width. These hyphae explore the soil for nutrients, transport them back to the host-plant, and help bind soil particles into aggregates.
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Source: http://www.soilhealth.com/soil-health/biology/beneficial/fungi/index.htm
 
Observer said:
I've read mycellium/fungi can/should be able to uptake ions as well.

So I think it could aid in easier absorption

(?) No clue

I'm somewhat attempting a test to grow mycellium strictly off salts.
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I use it and have seen some papers on it as fungus it travels all over the earth under the crust. When farmers "Till" or Plow they "Break" the mycelium network, and yes Observer it helps with water & nutrient "uptake". I am trying Dyno-myco mycellium innoculant granular. SSgrower
 
SSgrower said:
I use it and have seen some papers on it as fungus it travels all over the earth under the crust. When farmers "Till" or Plow they "Break" the mycelium network, and yes Observer it helps with water & nutrient "uptake". I am trying Dyno-myco mycellium innoculant granular. SSgrower
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What are your thoughts on that product
 
SSgrower said:
When farmers "Till" or Plow they "Break" the mycelium network
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I had not thought of it that way. We tilled the soil often on the farm where I grew up, of course, farmers didn't know as much then as they do now. So, this has me wondering how deep the mycelium network goes into the topsoil. Being in symbiosis with the plant's roots, wouldn't it go as deep as the roots? If so, it seems to me that the depth of tillage and the type of root growth would matter. I am wondering about it because I loosen the top inch or so of the soil around my plants. It gets hard or crusty from topdressing. I think the crusty soil surface reduces aeration and can make watering uneven.
 
Amnesia said:
I had not thought of it that way. We tilled the soil often on the farm where I grew up, of course, farmers didn't know as much then as they do now. So, this has me wondering how deep the mycelium network goes into the topsoil. Being in symbiosis with the plant's roots, wouldn't it go as deep as the roots? If so, it seems to me that the depth of tillage and the type of root growth would matter. I am wondering about it because I loosen the top inch or so of the soil around my plants. It gets hard or crusty from topdressing. I think the crusty soil surface reduces aeration and can make watering uneven.
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Thats not harmful if thats what your thinking…. It reestablishes quickly and mycelium in not one species so the are natural barriers and wars going on between them at all times.

Its not different than we shake up our mycelium jars to help it colonize faster. Its actually a benefit not a harm… it would be if you did it all the time but not once a year
 
Aqua Man said:
Thats not harmful if thats what your thinking…. It reestablishes quickly and mycelium in not one species so the are natural barriers and wars going on between them at all times.

Its not different than we shake up our mycelium jars to help it colonize faster. Its actually a benefit not a harm… it would be if you did it all the time but not once a year
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Thanks. I was only curious. After thinking about it, I doubted loosening the soil would be a problem. I use a jar to shake my topdressing mix. I do it to avoid dust and it's easier to spread. Faster colonization sounds good, too.
 
Observer said:
Well it's there, or what looks like colonized roots lol

Maybe those dosages are too small


I do one gram of pool shock for a gallon concentrate, and then 1-5ml of hypo acid with every solution 2-5ml 34% h2o2 every night 2-8waterings a day

Hand-dripping into the cups

That myco would have been from 50 waterings ago or so lol
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it could just be root hairs, on my pic up there
 
Observer said:
I've read mycellium/fungi can/should be able to uptake ions as well.

So I think it could aid in easier absorption

(?) No clue

I'm somewhat attempting a test to grow mycellium strictly off salts.
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so the "test" consisted of

coco
5-12-26
15-0-0
epsom salt and sugar,
did not dissolve, just mixed it around the coco and had it moist.

something yellow grew, something that looked like the good mycellium grew, and something like cobweb mold grew on it.

maybe it was just the sugar it was growing off of but then wheres it getting the macro/micro nutes?

so i guess it worked.
 
Observer said:
that just seems like such a fucking premium.

you can probably go gather this shit out in nature and culture it.

or take some great white and throw it into a compost bin and itll be there, youll always have the mycellial network from it.
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Thats what I do.did a 300 lb pile for cheaper than what they charge for a quart.got be around to flip it though the microbes you after need to stay under 120 f.its alot like what your doing on the mushroom thread only less sterile and larger quantities.
 
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