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Choo Choo Brochachos!!! πŸπŸš‚πŸ€ͺπŸ₯΄πŸ˜œ;pirate

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It's been a long time coming to finally grow this one. Lets gets weird and have some fun!!!!

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Been on the to-do list pretty much since the movie then to find out it was just Trainwreck x Hawaiian was a little like realizing Santa Claus wasn't real.
I liked Saul's description better!πŸ₯΄

Went looking for a modern but older haze hybrid from around 95'-2015 and with that, Pineapple Express found it's way into my vertical germinator this week.
Got a 5 pack of fems from Grower's Choice and dropped 3.
Also added a free sample of bison mojo from Grease to this round of seed starting

Joining the party as companion plants, Strawberry CoughπŸ“πŸ€­πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅, (one of my desert island strains), and another throwback who might steal the whole show, Montana SilvertipπŸ”οΈπŸ—»πŸ•οΈπŸ’ŽπŸ₯ˆ.
Dropped 3 of each

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Also tossing in some home bred F1 wildcard testers to see what happens.
Dropped 5, kept 4, fed 1 to the cat

πŸ‡»πŸ‡³ X πŸ‡¦πŸ‡«

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Heavy duty version of the veeg is now available for download.

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Thick walls means no warping over time, snug fitting insert, xtra wide base for stability, 14 sites, and 115mm tall if you'd ever need a sprout that big.
And now, there's a spatula to perfectly set the paper in the grooves!

Size comparison from prototype to production model

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After sprouting it's time for initiation into the Black Tray Mafia

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Medium is a custom blend of 50/50 coco perlite + 3% crab meal.
(Hortipearl x Foxfarm Big n Chunky) X (Canna coco coir x coco chips)

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Triple rinsed then charged

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Flood and drainiac is the method of irrigation with a very mild solution of Fox Farm Grow Big Hydroponic formula and Cultivation Nation CalMag

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Zero week

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I’m liking the Pineapple express that I harvested last month.
Still in the cure stage but smells great.
I want to try it again and use better seed stock
Looking forward to watching your grow.

Right on Tom that's great to read!
I've only had commercial grown PE from dispos but each time I really enjoyed it and wanted to grow it for myself.
Really excited to finally see it growing here.
My seeds came from Grower's Choice which is an online white label seed company based in California. White label gets a very bad rap these days on social media by pollen chuckers but every cut I've got from Grower's Choice has been as advertised and very good pot. Confidence is high with these but we'll see in the end
 
Choo Choo Brochachos!!! πŸπŸš‚πŸ€ͺπŸ₯΄πŸ˜œ;pirate

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It's been a long time coming to finally grow this one. Lets gets weird and have some fun!!!!

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Been on the to-do list pretty much since the movie then to find out it was just Trainwreck x Hawaiian was a little like realizing Santa Claus wasn't real.
I liked Saul's description better!πŸ₯΄

Went looking for a modern but older haze hybrid from around 95'-2015 and with that, Pineapple Express found it's way into my vertical germinator this week.
Got a 5 pack of fems from Grower's Choice and dropped 3.
Also added a free sample of bison mojo from Grease to this round of seed starting

Joining the party as companion plants, Strawberry CoughπŸ“πŸ€­πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅, (one of my desert island strains), and another throwback who might steal the whole show, Montana SilvertipπŸ”οΈπŸ—»πŸ•οΈπŸ’ŽπŸ₯ˆ.
Dropped 3 of each

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Also tossing in some home bred F1 wildcard testers to see what happens.
Dropped 5, kept 4, fed 1 to the cat

πŸ‡»πŸ‡³ X πŸ‡¦πŸ‡«

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Heavy duty version of the veeg is now available for download.

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Thick walls means no warping over time, snug fitting insert, xtra wide base for stability, 14 sites, and 115mm tall if you'd ever need a sprout that big.
And now, there's a spatula to perfectly set the paper in the grooves!

Size comparison from prototype to production model

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After sprouting it's time for initiation into the Black Tray Mafia

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Medium is a custom blend of 50/50 coco perlite + 3% crab meal.
(Hortipearl x Foxfarm Big n Chunky) X (Canna coco coir x coco chips)

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Triple rinsed then charged

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Flood and drainiac is the method of irrigation with a very mild solution of Fox Farm Grow Big Hydroponic formula and Cultivation Nation CalMag

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Zero week

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Someone’s been busy! πŸ‘
 
ahhhh yeah crazy train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looking forward to this train ride for sure!!! clickly clack baby!!!! although it's probably gonna be a little more like the shinkonsen.. <spell?? some fast train i rode in japan.. zooom!!! like your plants!!!!!

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so does you cat now have a haze plant growing in her belly? hahaha

do you think batman is looking at porn on that laptop? hahaha

nahhh in all seriousness though, can't wait to see some pineapple express in UV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Someone’s been busy! πŸ‘

Never stop never stopping Zen! ;drive

What the hell is going on in the freggin train man?ΒΏ....

Strawberry cough was on my short list, blackberry kush won out...wanting to see the Montana...almost pulled the trigger on that one...

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It's a haze grow man so never know who might show up on the party train. Rumor has it the ghost of Richard Nixon and the cast of Ferris Bueller's Day Off is waiting at the next stop! πŸ™ƒ

Strawberry Cough was an ez choice. Another I've been waiting years to circle back into.
Got the kush grow out of the way on the last run. Next up in that category will be more old school stuff like original skunk and northern lights.
Montana Silvertip is basically a fast flowering silver haze with Grand Daddy Purple in there giving it some indica traits in structure but she pops silver haze flowers. Kind of an original hybrid of Northern California grown indica and Dutch haze going back a generation. Could look like chrome spears in the end.πŸ˜‰

Hannah Montana is on the train repping that one ;wtf

ahhhh yeah crazy train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looking forward to this train ride for sure!!! clickly clack baby!!!! although it's probably gonna be a little more like the shinkonsen.. <spell?? some fast train i rode in japan.. zooom!!! like your plants!!!!!

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so does you cat now have a haze plant growing in her belly? hahaha

do you think batman is looking at porn on that laptop? hahaha

nahhh in all seriousness though, can't wait to see some pineapple express in UV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha get on the train or get ran over by it!! πŸš‰

Trying to get that cat's poop smelling like weed ;poop

IDK man...I think The Dark Knight is reading grow journals on Bud Builders, so yeah, but it's Bud porn!!

This grow should be on the speedy side for haze hybrids.
Next to no veg is the plan. Will try to do a lot of vegging with the 12/12 light cycle as soon as I see 5 pointers on most.
These strains could be a half year long grow in some cases but I'll try to have it wrapped up in about 120 days or less.
Veg nutes will be pushed into flower, only flipping to bloom nutes after I see pistils. So even though they're on a 12/12, I think I can use stretch and nutes to grow the garden 5x it's size from time of flip.
Basically, a >1' deep x 3x3 canopy footprint at flip and finishing at 3-4' deep and 4x5 wide canopy is my plan.
Hopefully, not too many surprises and it all plays out how it should.🀞
 
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Designed and printed a tray mount for the Ecowitt wired soil moisture meter and added the dummy bag today.

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This is pretty much a gas gauge that lets me track the moisture of the medium in relation to environment. I can correlate temps to evaporation rate in the medium without a plant with this rig.
Later, after upcan, another probed bag will be set up but it will have a plant so I'll have a probed bag with and without a plant.
This meter has a digital display but it also transmits thru wifi to my desktop dashboard.

Right now, it's being used to give me base line operating numbers which I can use to determine how often I need to flood the tray.

The dry floor is 40% with this medium. It's a very fast draining and water repelling media with a very rapid rate of exchange for both air and water.
If it was soil loaded with compost and peat then everything changes with slower exchange rates and min/max levels of saturation.

So I don't want this medium getting any drier than 40% and of course max saturation is 100% but that 100 is only available while flooded. The optimal operating moisture IMO is approximately 5-30 minutes after a flood. I find that optimal operating moisture level to be around 60%.
In context, a day of irrigation would look like this.... Flood to 100% then watch it fall-60%-55%-50%-45%- Flood again.
I'm trying to fit that sequence into a 24 hour period if possible then it's only 1 flood per day. If that sequence falls much faster then more floods are needed in a 24 hour period.

When the plant probe bag is in and spitting out data then I can chart it and watch the exact times and for how long, how much, the garden is taking up in food and water making it possible to predict transitions in the life cycle, basically stay a step ahead of garden needs being proactive instead of reactive. That's the goal anyways.πŸ˜‹
 
i love the new avatar!!!!!!!!!!!

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i love the new avatar!!!!!!!!!!!

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Comes in tshirt too!!
I don't think I've ever been so excited to grow something it got a mural, avatar, and a tshirt;smoke

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Diesel Engine 9625 got her badge yesterday!!!

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So many train songs!!!
I didn't know music about trains was such a low key thing. It's like Forest Gump shrimp. Songs about driving trains, riding trains, train crashes, train stations, midnight trains to Georgia and even a song about driving a train high on cocaine!!!

 
Comes in tshirt too!!
I don't think I've ever been so excited to grow something it got a mural, avatar, and a tshirt;smoke

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So many train songs!!!
I didn't know music about trains was such a low key thing. It's like Forest Gump shrimp. Songs about driving trains, riding trains, train crashes, train stations, midnight trains to Georgia and even a song about driving a train high on cocaine!!!


i'm almost afraid to ask... who are all those people on that train?

 
i'm almost afraid to ask... who are all those people on that train?


Well there's The Target Lady from SNL with a Bomb e-rig.
Audrey II from Little Shop of Horrors, hungry as usual..
Napoleon Dynamite's brother or cousin, can't remember which, but he's the weirdy who found love in an online chat room and wants to take self defense courses from an alpha I'm pretty sure is married to a lesbian.
He met La Fawnduh at the train station and went full on gangsta after that so yeah he gets a spot on the train

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There's Red from the movie Pineapple Express and funny thing there..Two stoner movies Friday and Pineapple Express both have a character named Red and both are sorry asses you can't depend on for back up in a fight.

Speaking of Friday...Craig and Dayday are on the way in their famous "Damnnnnn" pose. They get a spot on the train for sure!

We've also got Daytrader Batman up there rocking his loafers (business casual) hanging and doing dabs with Emiliano Zapata, a Mexican revolutionary who was also a farmer and was murdered by a corrupt Mexican government.

Hannah Montana is on the train!!!! I needed somebody to rep Monatana Silvertip so the choices were Tony Montana from Scarface (too ez and so played out it's old and tired).....Joe Montana, which my browser search history will tell you that if there was a Joe Montana sticker out there with his arms up signaling a touchdown, it would be on the train too.
Then there was Hannah Montana holding two bottles of silver vodka. If that aint a sign she needs to be on the train I don't know what is. Plus I'm a closet Mylie Cyrus fan so yep, she's in!

Also on the way is the ghost of Richard Nixon, the cast of Ferris Bueller's Day Off, rockin raccoons, Skeletor with his cat, Robert Smith from The Cure, and a member of The Breakfast Club.
By the time this grow is over, that party train is gonna look like a Saturday night at Studio54 in 1980 and get weird AF!πŸ€ͺ
 
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Off topic here...

I was scrolling reddit just looking for info on the Cannatrol and what settings people were using and whether or not anyone has tested their new machine that starts shipping in January...

Holy wow that HerbsNow guy is a flaming douche. So very combative and insulting and he talks like a teenager with multiple strings of 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 and πŸ’―πŸ’―πŸ’―πŸ’― and shit like that... That dude will never get a penny from me. What a nimrod.
 
Off topic here...

I was scrolling reddit just looking for info on the Cannatrol and what settings people were using and whether or not anyone has tested their new machine that starts shipping in January...

Holy wow that HerbsNow guy is a flaming douche. So very combative and insulting and he talks like a teenager with multiple strings of 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 and πŸ’―πŸ’―πŸ’―πŸ’― and shit like that... That dude will never get a penny from me. What a nimrod.
Oh man my buddy drys his flower in one of those. you are gona love it.lol he saves the water from the over flow tray to start his seedlings with.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜…πŸ€£ . @steamroller has got one if I remember right.i cheaped out and rigged up my own.it works pretty good ,but his canatroler works a little better Imo.
 
Off topic here...

I was scrolling reddit just looking for info on the Cannatrol and what settings people were using and whether or not anyone has tested their new machine that starts shipping in January...

Holy wow that HerbsNow guy is a flaming douche. So very combative and insulting and he talks like a teenager with multiple strings of 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 and πŸ’―πŸ’―πŸ’―πŸ’― and shit like that... That dude will never get a penny from me. What a nimrod.

That's kinda hilarious man and goes into our convo in the other thread...There's a lot of people who do something or make something who on a personal level would either hate me or I consider them a total fucking d-bag but I try my hardest to overlook it.
I've never known anything about that guy but it really doesn't surprise me. I can't count how many times I've been let down by somebody's personality or beliefs who also sells something I use and enjoy.
Like I'm almost certain that to sell LED grow lights, you have to pass the POS test. Almost to a person, the people in that game is some sort of hustler. CLW is no exception even though it may look like I think they're the best ever. Both things can be true there.
In order to sell seeds you have to trash every other breeder to build yourself up unless your name is Bodhi. That game gets weird and filled with so much drama I'd swear most breeders are 15 year old Mean Girls from different high schools.
The absolute biggest tool in this industry I've ever had the displeasure to meet was Big Mike from Advanced Nutrients. He's the only one who was so bad I told myself I'd never use his products or his proteges, Remo.
GH, Gavita and more = Monsanto. Yep..that Monsanto!
It's a nutty world man. Ethical landmines every where we turn these days. I kinda embrace the hypocrisy and just get high and forget it. ;smoke
 
Ethos seed guy is a basic criminal. Not like hates gov't [ who doesn't] but like abuser of people and animals.
Who knows about the people who create the product you and I buy?
I can think of many great movies that are ruined if you take the stars real opinions into account. I like their character just like I like the product Ethos provides. Not the owner/creator.
Hard to find an honest used car salesman you know.
Still got buy a used car though.
 
That's kinda hilarious man and goes into our convo in the other thread...There's a lot of people who do something or make something who on a personal level would either hate me or I consider them a total fucking d-bag but I try my hardest to overlook it.
Yeah for sure. Normally, I won't dig too far into the drama, but that guy was all over a couple threads trashing the Cannatrol and smack talking anyone with a simple question. Just ridiculously unprofessional. Had I already bought something of his, I'd keep using it, but nah. That dude's not getting my money.

Ethos seed guy is a basic criminal. Not like hates gov't [ who doesn't] but like abuser of people and animals.
Yeah I've read into that one a bit too. I've avoided Ethos because of it. I know we can't avoid every unethical company out there, but when I hear the bullshit before giving them any money, I'm much more hesitant.
 
Ethos seed guy is a basic criminal. Not like hates gov't [ who doesn't] but like abuser of people and animals.
Who knows about the people who create the product you and I buy?
I can think of many great movies that are ruined if you take the stars real opinions into account. I like their character just like I like the product Ethos provides. Not the owner/creator.
Hard to find an honest used car salesman you know.
Still got buy a used car though.
What the heck happened? Can’t people just be basically good?

I remember when it used to be that way. WTF happened?

I honestly wonder if there’s a global flood in our future?
 
Ethos seed guy is a basic criminal. Not like hates gov't [ who doesn't] but like abuser of people and animals.
Who knows about the people who create the product you and I buy?
I can think of many great movies that are ruined if you take the stars real opinions into account. I like their character just like I like the product Ethos provides. Not the owner/creator.
Hard to find an honest used car salesman you know.
Still got buy a used car though.

It's probably best I don't know the tea on Ethos. Animals is just one of those things for me.
Could go into a long winded rant about how that happened being close to Michael Vick and being let down so bad over that hurt me so bad I quit watching the Falcons after 25 years and really have never got back into the NFL like I once was.
But yeah man I hear ya. If the late charlton heston was still around and I got the chance to meet him, I'd tell him fuck you and give him double birds, kick dirt on his shoes etc but that doesn't mean I aint gonna watch Ben Hur every Xmas morning :ROFLMAO:

Yeah for sure. Normally, I won't dig too far into the drama, but that guy was all over a couple threads trashing the Cannatrol and smack talking anyone with a simple question. Just ridiculously unprofessional. Had I already bought something of his, I'd keep using it, but nah. That dude's not getting my money.


Yeah I've read into that one a bit too. I've avoided Ethos because of it. I know we can't avoid every unethical company out there, but when I hear the bullshit before giving them any money, I'm much more hesitant.

I should also say that I too have steered away from doing business with some over their behavior here or on other social media platforms. GPS was one. His stuff was on the way out anyways but I wanted to punch him in the face for "grower error" with his hermie shit and then yeah, Heisan. Won't grow his stuff either. Don;t care if he's using STS now so he cleaned up the hermie fiasco but his posts here along with that weed just not being very good despite the amazing pictures IMO was an ez boycott. Guys like him have legions of followers backing them up and promoting them too which makes it hard navigating new genetics.
Other boycotts I've done have been soley on performance issues.

Herbnow guy should really be kind and not even go after anybody else in this game.
His product is not evolving and there's a limited demand. It's not sustainable so maybe he's realizing the well is running dry and getting hostile about it. Can only guess.
It would be super ez to DIY his product as well and even make it better by DIY. Just get a dehydrator and take the heating and electronic guts out of it. Install a small PC fan in the bottom facing up with a silicone pie dish placed over the fan and some holes in the pie dish for air flow. Voila, you have the Herbnow dryer.
Harsh and cold game but that's business for ya!

You any closer to a Cannatrol or still debating?
I like the price coming down on that original version. I'm considering it but also not sure if I really need it.
They may be going kinda like Harvest Right and the freeze dryers where there's only so much demand before they start having clearance sales on older models and then popping up on the used market. There's a small resale market, mostly to preppers and not extractors though. I doubt any Cannatrol would show up on the used market for me to snatch up.

I also saw at HTG that Canna-Cans are on sale almost half off. CannaCans are C-Vaults with a much lower price and on sale is even better.
Stainless steel doesn't get quite the publicity it should as a curing container but I'm in the mindset that a right size boveda pack and an airtight stainless steel container is a very worthy curing container and really my top choice until I get a run at a Cannatrol to compare

What the heck happened? Can’t people just be basically good?

I remember when it used to be that way. WTF happened?

I honestly wonder if there’s a global flood in our future?

I know right? Kinda why I intentionally try to not know much about breeders outside of the seeds they provide but maybe I should.
There's some real POS black market growers which is why I grow my own but sometimes I think a lot of this has always been around. Now we have social media and especially cameras everywhere to expose it.
Ethos is an ez boycott based off $60 for 5 fems seeds alone. Add in crazy and fucked drama? There's a billion more fish in the sea to buy seeds from.
 
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Heisan. Won't grow his stuff either.
I only knew of his behavior here and I kinda wrote that off as a falling out between partners.. I do remember telling them both to play nice but he bounced pretty quick.

I guess if anything, I grabbed quite a few packs for hella cheap and won't need to return to his site. I'm easy. A guy I respect says fuck that guy then fuck that guy

You any closer to a Cannatrol or still debating?
So yeah.. I accidently pre-ordered the new unit minus wifi. $1200 bucks. Add interest and it's still cheaper than their old prices for the OG.

I say accidently because I didn't realize what I was doing. I'm well versed paying for things with PayPal, but have only used Affirm once or twice. Well there's a different process for the two and I assumed finishing the Affirm stuff would take me back to Cannatrol's website to finalize the order. Nope. It's done and will be shipped in January, supposedly.

I'm excited but also conflicted. Accidently ordering it and having to explain that to the wife stole a little bit of the thunder and, on top of that, I'm pretty sure I just finished my best dry/cure so far going the traditional route, so it may have been an unnecessary purchase. I'll choose to think the opposite and credit the perfect dry/cure to it being winter time.

I did email them though. I know @steamroller said they have plenty of room but, after ordering it, i'm looking at that advertised 2.2lb WET capacity with a side-eye. If they're saying 2.2lbs before the dry cycle, that's like 9oz of finished product. I've never had a harvest that small. Hope to get some answers soon.
 
I only knew of his behavior here and I kinda wrote that off as a falling out between partners.. I do remember telling them both to play nice but he bounced pretty quick.

I guess if anything, I grabbed quite a few packs for hella cheap and won't need to return to his site. I'm easy. A guy I respect says fuck that guy then fuck that guy


So yeah.. I accidently pre-ordered the new unit minus wifi. $1200 bucks. Add interest and it's still cheaper than their old prices for the OG.

I say accidently because I didn't realize what I was doing. I'm well versed paying for things with PayPal, but have only used Affirm once or twice. Well there's a different process for the two and I assumed finishing the Affirm stuff would take me back to Cannatrol's website to finalize the order. Nope. It's done and will be shipped in January, supposedly.

I'm excited but also conflicted. Accidently ordering it and having to explain that to the wife stole a little bit of the thunder and, on top of that, I'm pretty sure I just finished my best dry/cure so far going the traditional route, so it may have been an unnecessary purchase. I'll choose to think the opposite and credit the perfect dry/cure to it being winter time.

I did email them though. I know @steamroller said they have plenty of room but, after ordering it, i'm looking at that advertised 2.2lb WET capacity with a side-eye. If they're saying 2.2lbs before the dry cycle, that's like 9oz of finished product. I've never had a harvest that small. Hope to get some answers soon.
I have a cannatrol now close to 3 years no problems with it at all its been plugged in since purchase. I flower 8 plants at a time . I fill up cannatrol with four plants put it on 4 day dry cycle gets down to 60-61 moisture than put in jars to cure with moisture pack 62. Chop down next four put in cannatrol let it go thru 4 day cycle 4 day cure cycle and leave them in canatrol to next harvest or use as needed.
 
It's probably best I don't know the tea on Ethos. Animals is just one of those things for me.
Could go into a long winded rant about how that happened being close to Michael Vick and being let down so bad over that hurt me so bad I quit watching the Falcons after 25 years and really have never got back into the NFL like I once was.
But yeah man I hear ya. If the late charlton heston was still around and I got the chance to meet him, I'd tell him fuck you and give him double birds, kick dirt on his shoes etc but that doesn't mean I aint gonna watch Ben Hur every Xmas morning :ROFLMAO:
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I did email them though. I know @steamroller said they have plenty of room but, after ordering it, i'm looking at that advertised 2.2lb WET capacity with a side-eye. If they're saying 2.2lbs before the dry cycle, that's like 9oz of finished product. I've never had a harvest that small. Hope to get some answers soon.

I am lucky to fit 2-4 plants at a time in it.
You can really pack the shelfs full because the buds really do shrink up.
Possibly the tray makes it the clearest to see the change. But a jam packed shelf will have space between buds when done.
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^before and after^ There not packed like I have done but the only true before and afters I could find.
I find its best use is when some or one plants need to be cut but the rest of the room still needs/wants more time. Part of doing different strains that is hard to control.
Given the choice I will dry in room over the cannatrol just for pure convenience of getting the room done all at once.
If the room comes down in stages I can usually do it in the cannatrol in 2 or 3 cycles.
It is nice not to sit through double digit number plants all at once.
 
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