Red Spectrum Vs. Blue Spectrum

[Observer]

throwing this up to congregate data on spectrum and provide some hard data and information for everyones


heres a thread where ill include alot of spectrum information.

place holder.



throwing this up when time is limited.

I Will Be Back.

 

[Observer]

Bugbee video on Spectrum

22min

 

[Observer]

Photomorphogenesis:
is a process by which organisms perceive external light cues, including wavelengths (or colors) of light available and light intensity, and subsequently adjust cellular metabolism, organismal growth, and development to optimize survival in response to a dynamic photoenvironment.
Source:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/photomorphogenesis

 

[Observer]

Photomorphogenesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Observer]

• Red light: Red light is absorbed by phytochromes, which are proteins that regulate plant growth and development. Red light promotes the production of chlorophyll and other photosynthetic pigments, which helps plants to photosynthesize more efficiently. Red light also stimulates the elongation of stems and the development of leaves.
• Blue light: Blue light is absorbed by cryptochromes, which are proteins that regulate plant responses to light quality and quantity. Blue light promotes the production of gibberellins, which are plant hormones that promote stem elongation and leaf expansion. Blue light also inhibits the production of auxins, which are plant hormones that promote apical dominance (the growth of the main stem at the expense of side branches).

In general, red light promotes plant growth and development, while blue light promotes apical dominance and leaf expansion. The relative amounts of red and blue light that a plant receives can affect its growth and development in a number of ways. For example, plants that receive more red light than blue light will tend to be more compact and bushy, while plants that receive more blue light than red light will tend to be taller and have larger leaves.

Here is a table that summarizes the effects of red and blue light on photomorphogenesis:

Light	Effect on Photomorphogenesis
Red light	Promotes the production of chlorophyll, other photosynthetic pigments, and gibberellins. Stimulates stem elongation and leaf expansion.
Blue light	Inhibits the production of auxins. Promotes apical dominance and leaf expansion.

It is important to note that the effects of red and blue light on photomorphogenesis can vary depending on the plant species, the developmental stage of the plant, and the environmental conditions.


-Google BARD

 

[Observer]

Here is a table that summarizes the effects of all five major plant hormones:

Hormone	Effect on Plant Growth and Development
Auxin	Promotes apical dominance, inhibits lateral bud growth, root development, leaf abscission, and fruit ripening.
Gibberellins	Promote stem elongation, leaf expansion, seed germination, flowering, and responses to environmental stress.
Cytokinins	Promote cell division, delay senescence, and stimulate lateral bud growth.
Abscisic acid	Promotes seed dormancy, leaf abscission, and stomatal closure.
Ethylene	Promotes fruit ripening, leaf abscission, and senescence.

It is important to note that the effects of plant hormones can vary depending on the plant species, the developmental stage of the plant, and the environmental conditions. For example, some plant species are more sensitive to certain hormones than others. Additionally, the effects of plant hormones can change as the plant grows and develops. For example, a young plant may be more sensitive to certain hormones than an older plant.

-Google BARD

 

[Observer]

here is a table that summarizes the effects of the spectrum on plant hormones:

Hormone	Red Light	Blue Light
Auxin	Promotes stem elongation and apical dominance.	Inhibits stem elongation and apical dominance.
Gibberellins	Promotes stem elongation and seed germination.	Inhibits stem elongation and seed germination.
Cytokinins	Promotes cell division and lateral bud growth.	Inhibits cell division and lateral bud growth.
Abscisic acid	Promotes seed dormancy and stomatal closure.	Inhibits seed dormancy and stomatal closure.
Ethylene	Promotes fruit ripening and leaf abscission.	Inhibits fruit ripening and leaf abscission.

-Google BARD

 

[Observer]

 

[Cool_Beans]

Thanks! Read through all of it and watched the video. Going to look into a sensor for far red. Nice capability (spectrum control) but the potential to cock things up is definitely there, so I really appreciate this.

My light manufacturer provided a good amount of guidance on what RWB ratios they recommend for different growth stages, plus Bandit had some presets he uses that I could triangulate from as well. This got me started and is making a wonderfully dank plant right now, but I still want to understand what is actually going on, happy to see this thread.

 

[Observer]

Thanks! Read through all of it and watched the video. Going to look into a sensor for far red. Nice capability (spectrum control) but the potential to cock things up is definitely there, so I really appreciate this.

My light manufacturer provided a good amount of guidance on what RWB ratios they recommend for different growth stages, plus Bandit had some presets he uses that I could triangulate from as well. This got me started and is making a wonderfully dank plant right now, but I still want to understand what is actually going on, happy to see this thread.

No problem man

Glad to help and pass around easy to access factual knowledge

I'll keep updating it as well.

 

[Pipecarver]

Thanks! Read through all of it and watched the video. Going to look into a sensor for far red. Nice capability (spectrum control) but the potential to cock things up is definitely there, so I really appreciate this.

My light manufacturer provided a good amount of guidance on what RWB ratios they recommend for different growth stages, plus Bandit had some presets he uses that I could triangulate from as well. This got me started and is making a wonderfully dank plant right now, but I still want to understand what is actually going on, happy to see this thread.

I bought a Far red led puck to put over my plant in my 3x3. I used it for 20 min after lights out and extended my on hours to 12 1/2.....My plant finished in 9 weeks as opposed to 11 the last time I ran her.....It was well done in 9 weeks with more amber than I normally get after 11 weeks. It is designed for coverage in a 3x3 space. I now need another to so I can have 2 in my 5x5.....I think it worked as expected and I'm going to try them on another run this fall.

 

[Observer]

I bought a Far red led puck to put over my plant in my 3x3. I used it for 20 min after lights out and extended my on hours to 12 1/2.....My plant finished in 9 weeks as opposed to 11 the last time I ran her.....It was well done in 9 weeks with more amber than I normally get after 11 weeks. It is designed for coverage in a 3x3 space. I now need another to so I can have 2 in my 5x5.....I think it worked as expected and I'm going to try them on another run this fall.View attachment 18757

Sweet

What was that site?

 

[Pipecarver]

Far Red Initiator Puck (730nm)

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rapidled.com

They have a few colors to play with....the mounting bracket is useless without their lights....for the price I figured better to have and not need than to need and not have.....now I know I din't need

 

[Observer]

Far Red Initiator Puck (730nm)

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rapidled.com

They have a few colors to play with....the mounting bracket is useless without their lights....for the price I figured better to have and not need than to need and not have.....now I know I din't need

Can you show a pic of how you have it hooked up?

Hows it powered?

If possible next time you're in the grow area?

Thank pipe

 

[Pipecarver]

Can you show a pic of how you have it hooked up?

Hows it powered?

If possible next time you're in the grow area?

Thank pipe

I used a piece of tin 8" x3" and screwed the puck to the tin/ sheet metal I then wrapped that around the driver with the puck facing down and screwed the 2 end pieces together so it like a loose collar around the driver a 12 volt adapter plugs into the light.

 

[Pipecarver]

I used a piece of tin 8" x3" and screwed the puck to the tin/ sheet metal I then wrapped that around the driver with the puck facing down and screwed the 2 end pieces together so it like a loose collar around the driver a 12 volt adapter plugs into the light.
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pics

 

[Observer]

thanks

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pipe!

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Great thread @Observer, thanks for posting.

 

[Observer]

Thanks! Read through all of it and watched the video. Going to look into a sensor for far red. Nice capability (spectrum control) but the potential to cock things up is definitely there, so I really appreciate this.

My light manufacturer provided a good amount of guidance on what RWB ratios they recommend for different growth stages, plus Bandit had some presets he uses that I could triangulate from as well. This got me started and is making a wonderfully dank plant right now, but I still want to understand what is actually going on, happy to see this thread.

Sweet go for it, nothing to lose but experience to gain.

Im thinking about getting some of those picks or making a panel(s)

One red one blue

 

[Pipecarver]

Sweet go for it, nothing to lose but experience to gain.

Im thinking about getting some of those picks or making a panel(s)

One red one blue

Why blue? with blue keeping them short and red stretching them out. Thinking that out it may help keep Sativa's shorter but I don't think it would be good to use blue on Indica's,,,,being already short and fat.

I'd read that the Far red helps put them to sleep faster so by giving them 20 min red at lights out allowed me to extend their on hours by 30 min to 12 1/2 on........and I believe after this first try it reduced my flower time by 2 weeks. I'm ordering another one so I'll have 2 pucks in my 5x5 ........If nothing else its a real pretty redish pink glow with just the red on

 

[Observer]

Why blue? with blue keeping them short and red stretching them out. Thinking that out it may help keep Sativa's shorter but I don't think it would be good to use blue on Indica's,,,,being already short and fat.

I'd read that the Far red helps put them to sleep faster so by giving them 20 min red at lights out allowed me to extend their on hours by 30 min to 12 1/2 on........and I believe after this first try it reduced my flower time by 2 weeks. I'm ordering another one so I'll have 2 pucks in my 5x5 ........If nothing else its a real pretty redish pink glow with just the red on

Correct, can make/keep em Even shorter and fatter as possible.


Blue will be important for compact dense grows, like 420 solos in 25square feet, could turn on far red around/end of flower.

Complete weed'geineering

 

[Observer]

Why blue? with blue keeping them short and red stretching them out. Thinking that out it may help keep Sativa's shorter but I don't think it would be good to use blue on Indica's,,,,being already short and fat.

I'd read that the Far red helps put them to sleep faster so by giving them 20 min red at lights out allowed me to extend their on hours by 30 min to 12 1/2 on........and I believe after this first try it reduced my flower time by 2 weeks. I'm ordering another one so I'll have 2 pucks in my 5x5 ........If nothing else its a real pretty redish pink glow with just the red on

im looking into magnetotropism too, may start its own thread soon

magnetic fields and there affects/effects on plants.

 

[Pipecarver]

im looking into magnetotropism too, may start its own thread soon

magnetic fields and there affects/effects on plants.

I've seen a little on that and how the iron in the soil is effected by the magnetosphere. Another bit on high voltage current under the plants having some effect as well, I'm not sure that's for the common man as you'd need some electrical skills to get started......I'll wait until you work it out......maybe all we need is to plug the plant in some how and get its feed through the electrical grid

 

[Observer]

I've seen a little on that and how the iron in the soil is effected by the magnetosphere. Another bit on high voltage current under the plants having some effect as well, I'm not sure that's for the common man as you'd need some electrical skills to get started......I'll wait until you work it out......maybe all we need is to plug the plant in some how and get its feed through the electrical grid

Well you can literally just introduce a magnetic field via placing a magnet in water, running water through MFs or EMF

It's fairly simple to make you're own EMF too, battery wired nail.

 

[Observer]

Well you can literally just introduce a magnetic field via placing a magnet in water, running water through MFs or EMF

It's fairly simple to make you're own EMF too, battery wired nail.

Magnetic water treatment directs water to pass through a strong magnetic field between two powerful neodymium magnets

So i made need to reset this up but yeah could take two neodymium magnets and put water container between them


Im going to buy some

 

[Observer]

Magnetized water is h3o2.

One more oxygen molecule and it should aid in uptake.

 

[Observer]

Magnetized water is h3o2.

One more oxygen molecule and it should aid in uptake.

I bet it makes it easier for the plant to uptake water therefore nutrients as well

 

[Observer]

I bet it makes it easier for the plant to uptake water therefore nutrients as well

""The term "H3O2" is often used in marketing materials for water products that claim to be more beneficial for plants than regular water. However, there is no scientific evidence to support these claims. In fact, the compound H3O2 does not exist. The molecular formula for water is H2O, which means that each water molecule contains two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. There is no way to add an extra hydrogen atom to water without changing its chemical properties.
Some people believe that water molecules can form hexagonal structures, which are said to be more beneficial for plants than regular water. However, there is no scientific evidence to support this claim either. In fact, water molecules are constantly moving and their structure is constantly changing. There is no way to force water molecules to form a specific structure.""

According to Google BARD - im investigating.

https://www.aimspress.com/article/id/63846c6eba35de77c348cbfc#:~:text=Under Cd stress, magnetization can,of the mineral nutrient components.

these "scientific papers" say otherwise, no mention of h3o2 though.


need to move this to its own thread

 

[Observer]

Well you can literally just introduce a magnetic field via placing a magnet in water, running water through MFs or EMF

It's fairly simple to make you're own EMF too, battery wired nail.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I bought a Far red led puck to put over my plant in my 3x3. I used it for 20 min after lights out and extended my on hours to 12 1/2.....My plant finished in 9 weeks as opposed to 11 the last time I ran her.....It was well done in 9 weeks with more amber than I normally get after 11 weeks. It is designed for coverage in a 3x3 space. I now need another to so I can have 2 in my 5x5.....I think it worked as expected and I'm going to try them on another run this fall.View attachment 18757

I got one of these today to give it a try, so there is no way to actually know if it's on huh?

 

[Pipecarver]

I got one of these today to give it a try, so there is no way to actually know if it's on huh?

ah.....yes,,,,they are red and when on after lights out it gives a nice warm red glow over the plants

 

[Observer]

I got one of these today to give it a try, so there is no way to actually know if it's on huh?

its still within the visible spectrum

 

[Stoneyluv]

ah.....yes,,,,they are red and when on after lights out it gives a nice warm red glow over the plants

its still within the visible spectrum

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thanks guys, i wasn't sure... i must have gotten a bad one. i tried it again after reading your posts and bent the board around a little and three of the four lit up... i'm gonna return it.

 

[Observer]

thanks guys, i wasn't sure... i must have gotten a bad one. i tried it again after reading your posts and bent the board around a little and three of the four lit up... i'm gonna return it.

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damn that sucks sorry, looks like like one LED doesnt work, perhaps a faulty solder job

see how their customer service handles it.

 

[Stoneyluv]

damn that sucks sorry, looks like like one LED doesnt work, perhaps a faulty solder job

see how their customer service handles it.

definitely a solder issue....

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and yeah that's exactly how i looked at it, i'll find out how the CS is with them. ya know i was gonna buy it from amazon for faster shipping but they didn't offer the lens and i assume that the lens is important?

i'll let y'all know what they say...

 

[Observer]

definitely a solder issue....

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and yeah that's exactly how i looked at it, i'll find out how the CS is with them. ya know i was gonna buy it from amazon for faster shipping but they didn't offer

the lens and i assume that the lens is important?

id think so, could help distribute the light, depends how they made they lense.

i'll let y'all know what they say..

sweet

 

[Stoneyluv]

I got an email from rapid led first thing this morning. they had already opened a return ticket and said they were sending me a replacement along with a printed return label for the broken one.

i was happy with the service, i was polite when sending the mail to them so i'm sure that didn't hurt. i just kindly asked them how i can go about checking into a replacement and put in the same photo i posted here. they took care of it all without asking me any details at all. thats the kind of service i like!!
then about five hours later i got another email from them saying they noticed in my photo that i was sent the wrong part. they said i was sent the photo red and not the far red... well this confused me a bit because mine looks identical to the one Pipecarver posted. so i asked him, how can he identify it as a photo red vrsus a far red and he replied: "that Photo red appears much brighter than far red. It looks much brighter from the picture you sent but that could also be because of the reflector. Either way, we'll be sure to send the Far Red Puck you ordered unless you prefer the brighter photo red. " which kind of raises more eyebrows with me... so the only way they can tell the differences between two of their products is to plug it in and look how bright it is... so if this is true how did mine get through without checking... kinda weird supplier issue if you ask me.. at least have a sticker or different bag or something... anything is better than a judgement on brightness and thats only if you open the sealed bag and plug it in if you ask me.

but good news is they already sent out a new one and i'll let ya know how the rest of this saga ends next week....

 

[Observer]

which kind of raises more eyebrows with me... so the only way they can tell the differences between two of their products is to plug it in and look how bright it is... so if this is true how did mine get through without checking... kinda weird supplier issue if you ask me.. at least have a sticker or different bag or something... anything is better than a judgement on brightness and thats only if you open the sealed bag and plug it in if you ask me.

which is interesting, if they are a LED company, selling LEDs, surely they have PPFD quantum sensors and spectrometers.

but yeah FAR red will look like a dim far red reptile bulb.

 

[Observer]

the way plants photosynthesize is akin to a room temp superconductor

 

[Observer]

Scientists find link between photosynthesis and ‘fifth state of matter’

UChicago scientists hope ‘islands’ of exciton condensation may point way to new discoveries

news.uchicago.edu