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We're back with another episode of Grump's Grows.

This one's all about my Indigo Sapphire clones. These are 26 days old from cutting and ready to go. I'll get them healthy and send 'em right into flower. I'm assuming we'll see some noticeably healthy growth in a week or so.
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I'm trying out a new method this round. We're gonna see how they handle going medialess...
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Held in tight with a neoprene collar... wish 'em luck 👍

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Here's all of what I'll be using this round.

Equipment:
SpiderFarmer 5x5 tent (vaulted ceiling edition)
UnderCurrent 8 gallon 4-site system
CLW SolarSystem 1100 grow light
ACI 6" exhaust fan
ACI 6" inline fan
ACI CloudForge T7 humidifier
2x ACI CloudRay oscillating fans
2x BlueLab ph/ppm monitors
AquaticLife 4 stage RO/DI system
Active Aqua 1/10hp chiller
Alita 15 lpm air pump

Nutrients:
Athena's Blended line
General Hydroponics RapidRooter
Plant Success Orca Liquid Mycorrhizae
0ppm RO/DI water

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I did away with the carbon filter since I don't have any neighbors and I moved the exhaust and the space heater out of the tent. I'm gonna try to heat the exterior with an oil heater that's not controlled by the ACI brains. Going that route will limit my temperature controls to solely the exhaust fan, but it will benefit the mother tent as well.

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Just Wingin' It y'all
Any questions - feel free to ask
Criticism is welcome.

And as always,
✌️ & 💚
 
You find a big difference using 8 gallon buckets instead of 5 gallon , I managed with growing photos in 5 gallon buckets but had a problem with autos filling up the buckets with roots just wondering what advantages there are with the 8 gallons do you have to change your water less ? An last what size water lines connecting them or are the single buckets
 
GrumpAzz said:
We're back with another episode of Grump's Grows.

This one's all about my Indigo Sapphire clones. These are 26 days old from cutting and ready to go. I'll get them healthy and send 'em right into flower. I'm assuming we'll see some noticeably healthy growth in a week or so.
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I'm trying out a new method this round. We're gonna see how they handle going medialess...
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Held in tight with a neoprene collar... wish 'em luck 👍

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Here's all of what I'll be using this round.

Equipment:
SpiderFarmer 5x5 tent (vaulted ceiling edition)
UnderCurrent 8 gallon 4-site system
CLW SolarSystem 1100 grow light
ACI 6" exhaust fan
ACI 6" inline fan
ACI CloudForge T7 humidifier
2x ACI CloudRay oscillating fans
2x BlueLab ph/ppm monitors
AquaticLife 4 stage RO/DI system
Active Aqua 1/10hp chiller
Alita 15 lpm air pump

Nutrients:
Athena's Blended line
General Hydroponics RapidRooter
Plant Success Orca Liquid Mycorrhizae
0ppm RO/DI water

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I did away with the carbon filter since I don't have any neighbors and I moved the exhaust and the space heater out of the tent. I'm gonna try to heat the exterior with an oil heater that's not controlled by the ACI brains. Going that route will limit my temperature controls to solely the exhaust fan, but it will benefit the mother tent as well.

-------

Just Wingin' It y'all
Any questions - feel free to ask
Criticism is welcome.

And as always,
✌️ & 💚
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I didn't even notice the mediumless part.

top of my head, not much of a difference unless trying to keep it more sealed for 02 injection scenarios, though the roots will Have more room and freedom without the media "clogging" them.

As long as the roots or some are in the water/making contact.

I personally prefer eliminating media if possible, way more control over the rootzone, which is like the heart of the plant.

Maximize rhizosphere zone variables, then maximize the canopy variables. = profit.
 
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Hippo said:
You find a big difference using 8 gallon buckets instead of 5 gallon , I managed with growing photos in 5 gallon buckets but had a problem with autos filling up the buckets with roots just wondering what advantages there are with the 8 gallons do you have to change your water less ? An last what size water lines connecting them or are the single buckets
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Volume = stability = scale of plant growth in a given space area....ratios.

1 system, as a whole.

1spot (resevoir) top off, tops off the whole 4 plant site.

A entire RDWC System, as One.

8gallons are more volume compared, more volumes = more roots = bigger plant, but that plant can only get so big given the space it's grown in, therefore balance & optimization.
A certain balance/root space to headroom, for plant size and vegging then flowering variables.

I would suspect a 5gal--8gl (rdwc) is around the "perfect" amount of volume correlating to plant size in a (5x5) tent-area/volume of space. If im making sense.

I can go into more detail but it's turning into a book.
 
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Hippo said:
You find a big difference using 8 gallon buckets instead of 5 gallon , I managed with growing photos in 5 gallon buckets but had a problem with autos filling up the buckets with roots just wondering what advantages there are with the 8 gallons do you have to change your water less ? An last what size water lines connecting them or are the single buckets
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So when I first started all this, I did a single site using an 18 gallon tote. More water equates to better water stability.

i eventually upgraded and went to 4 sites. I went with UnderCurrent and they only offer 8 gallon or 13 gallon options. 8 gallon buckets saved me some headroom and here we are.

I've got 2inch pipe connecting all for buckets that goes up to 3inch headed back to the control res. Closed loop feed to the fallponics. I think that's half inch irrigation line.
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Wipe that calcium deposit off the edges of buckets you filthy animal lol
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Ha.. You're not wrong. I scrubbed and wiped I swear. You should see my control res. The float valve is like twice the size it used to be 🤣
 
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Getting plenty of splash from the fallponics and bubblers and some roots have found their way out.
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It'll branch out alot more (no blockages changing direction, open growth paths)

it's like topping the roots

The splashes/drops on the netcup are perfect, that root system will sense that and grow all out towards it.

Then it's gonna start thriving in that volume of water if the ratios and oxygenation is adequate.

Can't wait to see them bounce back in a few days, adjusting to the different system.

Glad to see you running mycorrhizae, I figure the flow could disrupt the colonies, but that doesn't mean they can't exist and benefit in nutrient uptake....and still latch on to and create a symbiosis relationship with the root system.

Something I also wanted to try and test/compare to factually verify.
 
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So when I first started all this, I did a single site using an 18 gallon tote. More water equates to better water stability.

i eventually upgraded and went to 4 sites. I went with UnderCurrent and they only offer 8 gallon or 13 gallon options. 8 gallon buckets saved me some headroom and here we are.

I've got 2inch pipe connecting all for buckets that goes up to 3inch headed back to the control res. Closed loop feed to the fallponics. I think that's half inch irrigation line.
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Ha.. You're not wrong. I scrubbed and wiped I swear. You should see my control res. The float valve is like twice the size it used to be 🤣
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Use an acid like PH Down or vinegar. Pipecarver’s idea, worked for my soft pots and saucers.
 
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Use an acid like PH Down or vinegar. Pipecarver’s idea, worked for my soft pots and saucers.
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IIRC it’s a TBSP per gallon of water. I used a 5g bucket for my soft pots and just put some of the water into the saucer to sit for a day before scrubbing it.
 
That's some great root growth~!
My only concern with going media less is the plant tipping over when it flowers and gets heavy.
Hopefully the mass of roots will be large and heavy enough to hold everything in place.
 
steamroller said:
That's some great root growth~!
My only concern with going media less is the plant tipping over when it flowers and gets heavy.
Hopefully the mass of roots will be large and heavy enough to hold everything in place.
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I thought about that. I'll be tying 'em down to the eyelets on the lids when they get that big. Hopefully i'll need to tie up some colas too 🤞
 
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Ive been following the whole gu and heisen shitshow until recently when Gu finally booted me from his discord lol 😆

But gu has produced nothing out of the SIX 100 feet tunnels he has in Ocala.
Heisen has a shop and has harvest 4 seed runs and a cash crop.....
No way in hell id ever go back to gps, and that was the issue all along. Heisen had to make what gu wanted and gu always wanted trashy herm prone cookie crosses.
Heisens working his shit now. On his second 300 seed pheno hunt


Oh sorry gu harvested 1 REGULAR seed harvest from 1 tunnel lol 😆
 
4 Days in the system and we've hit a growth spurt. They were topped 4 days ago when they weren't looking so pretty. All of that stem is from the last day and a half. 3 working on 4 nodes.
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That topside growth with this expslosive root growth means that it's on. Like ON on.
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Pretty cool seeing it all happen. No pebbles in the dang way.
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Overall plants looking grim from their pH struggles in the mother tent. Do I trim the uglies or do I let the plants eat 'em? My heart says trim that shit.
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4 Days in the system and we've hit a growth spurt. They were topped 4 days ago when they weren't looking so pretty. All of that stem is from the last day and a half. 3 working on 4 nodes.
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That topside growth with this expslosive root growth means that it's on. Like ON on.
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Pretty cool seeing it all happen. No pebbles in the dang way.
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Overall plants looking grim from their pH struggles in the mother tent. Do I trim the uglies or do I let the plants eat 'em? My heart says trim that shit.
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You can remove the fucked off leafs, or let it run its course a little longer, in transitioning and cannabilizing those leafs for nutrients, (at the same time, I suppose the water media is also supplying those, so you can still remove them, the "nutrients' are their) while they adjust, new growth looks great.

They are starting to acclimate to the system.

And the root growth from the netcups tale the same story.

Try to keep those new tops symmetrical and let it run.

Cut all of the root end tips and watch them branch out even more.
 
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