Grump's Indigo Sapphire Grow 🌱

[GrumpAzz]

We're back with another episode of Grump's Grows.

This one's all about my Indigo Sapphire clones. These are 26 days old from cutting and ready to go. I'll get them healthy and send 'em right into flower. I'm assuming we'll see some noticeably healthy growth in a week or so.


I'm trying out a new method this round. We're gonna see how they handle going medialess...

Held in tight with a neoprene collar... wish 'em luck

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Here's all of what I'll be using this round.

Equipment:
SpiderFarmer 5x5 tent (vaulted ceiling edition)
UnderCurrent 8 gallon 4-site system
CLW SolarSystem 1100 grow light
ACI 6" exhaust fan
ACI 6" inline fan
ACI CloudForge T7 humidifier
2x ACI CloudRay oscillating fans
2x BlueLab ph/ppm monitors
AquaticLife 4 stage RO/DI system
Active Aqua 1/10hp chiller
Alita 15 lpm air pump

Nutrients:
Athena's Blended line
General Hydroponics RapidRooter
Plant Success Orca Liquid Mycorrhizae
0ppm RO/DI water



I did away with the carbon filter since I don't have any neighbors and I moved the exhaust and the space heater out of the tent. I'm gonna try to heat the exterior with an oil heater that's not controlled by the ACI brains. Going that route will limit my temperature controls to solely the exhaust fan, but it will benefit the mother tent as well.

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Just Wingin' It y'all
Any questions - feel free to ask
Criticism is welcome.

And as always,
&

 

[Observer]

🏎

 

[Hippo]

You find a big difference using 8 gallon buckets instead of 5 gallon , I managed with growing photos in 5 gallon buckets but had a problem with autos filling up the buckets with roots just wondering what advantages there are with the 8 gallons do you have to change your water less ? An last what size water lines connecting them or are the single buckets

 

[Observer]

We're back with another episode of Grump's Grows.

This one's all about my Indigo Sapphire clones. These are 26 days old from cutting and ready to go. I'll get them healthy and send 'em right into flower. I'm assuming we'll see some noticeably healthy growth in a week or so.
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I'm trying out a new method this round. We're gonna see how they handle going medialess...
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Held in tight with a neoprene collar... wish 'em luck

-------

Here's all of what I'll be using this round.

Equipment:
SpiderFarmer 5x5 tent (vaulted ceiling edition)
UnderCurrent 8 gallon 4-site system
CLW SolarSystem 1100 grow light
ACI 6" exhaust fan
ACI 6" inline fan
ACI CloudForge T7 humidifier
2x ACI CloudRay oscillating fans
2x BlueLab ph/ppm monitors
AquaticLife 4 stage RO/DI system
Active Aqua 1/10hp chiller
Alita 15 lpm air pump

Nutrients:
Athena's Blended line
General Hydroponics RapidRooter
Plant Success Orca Liquid Mycorrhizae
0ppm RO/DI water

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I did away with the carbon filter since I don't have any neighbors and I moved the exhaust and the space heater out of the tent. I'm gonna try to heat the exterior with an oil heater that's not controlled by the ACI brains. Going that route will limit my temperature controls to solely the exhaust fan, but it will benefit the mother tent as well.

-------

Just Wingin' It y'all
Any questions - feel free to ask
Criticism is welcome.

And as always,
&

I didn't even notice the mediumless part.

top of my head, not much of a difference unless trying to keep it more sealed for 02 injection scenarios, though the roots will Have more room and freedom without the media "clogging" them.

As long as the roots or some are in the water/making contact.

I personally prefer eliminating media if possible, way more control over the rootzone, which is like the heart of the plant.

Maximize rhizosphere zone variables, then maximize the canopy variables. = profit.

 

[Observer]

You find a big difference using 8 gallon buckets instead of 5 gallon , I managed with growing photos in 5 gallon buckets but had a problem with autos filling up the buckets with roots just wondering what advantages there are with the 8 gallons do you have to change your water less ? An last what size water lines connecting them or are the single buckets

Volume = stability = scale of plant growth in a given space area....ratios.

1 system, as a whole.

1spot (resevoir) top off, tops off the whole 4 plant site.

A entire RDWC System, as One.

8gallons are more volume compared, more volumes = more roots = bigger plant, but that plant can only get so big given the space it's grown in, therefore balance & optimization.
A certain balance/root space to headroom, for plant size and vegging then flowering variables.

I would suspect a 5gal--8gl (rdwc) is around the "perfect" amount of volume correlating to plant size in a (5x5) tent-area/volume of space. If im making sense.

I can go into more detail but it's turning into a book.

 

[Observer]

Wipe that calcium deposit off the edges of buckets you filthy animal lol

 

[GrumpAzz]

You find a big difference using 8 gallon buckets instead of 5 gallon , I managed with growing photos in 5 gallon buckets but had a problem with autos filling up the buckets with roots just wondering what advantages there are with the 8 gallons do you have to change your water less ? An last what size water lines connecting them or are the single buckets

So when I first started all this, I did a single site using an 18 gallon tote. More water equates to better water stability.

i eventually upgraded and went to 4 sites. I went with UnderCurrent and they only offer 8 gallon or 13 gallon options. 8 gallon buckets saved me some headroom and here we are.

I've got 2inch pipe connecting all for buckets that goes up to 3inch headed back to the control res. Closed loop feed to the fallponics. I think that's half inch irrigation line.
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Wipe that calcium deposit off the edges of buckets you filthy animal lol

Ha.. You're not wrong. I scrubbed and wiped I swear. You should see my control res. The float valve is like twice the size it used to be

 

[GrumpAzz]

Getting plenty of splash from the fallponics and bubblers and some roots have found their way out.

 

[Observer]

Getting plenty of splash from the fallponics and bubblers and some roots have found their way out.
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It'll branch out alot more (no blockages changing direction, open growth paths)

it's like topping the roots

The splashes/drops on the netcup are perfect, that root system will sense that and grow all out towards it.

Then it's gonna start thriving in that volume of water if the ratios and oxygenation is adequate.

Can't wait to see them bounce back in a few days, adjusting to the different system.

Glad to see you running mycorrhizae, I figure the flow could disrupt the colonies, but that doesn't mean they can't exist and benefit in nutrient uptake....and still latch on to and create a symbiosis relationship with the root system.

Something I also wanted to try and test/compare to factually verify.

 

[Zen_seeker]

So when I first started all this, I did a single site using an 18 gallon tote. More water equates to better water stability.

i eventually upgraded and went to 4 sites. I went with UnderCurrent and they only offer 8 gallon or 13 gallon options. 8 gallon buckets saved me some headroom and here we are.

I've got 2inch pipe connecting all for buckets that goes up to 3inch headed back to the control res. Closed loop feed to the fallponics. I think that's half inch irrigation line.
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Ha.. You're not wrong. I scrubbed and wiped I swear. You should see my control res. The float valve is like twice the size it used to be

Use an acid like PH Down or vinegar. Pipecarver’s idea, worked for my soft pots and saucers.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Use an acid like PH Down or vinegar. Pipecarver’s idea, worked for my soft pots and saucers.

IIRC it’s a TBSP per gallon of water. I used a 5g bucket for my soft pots and just put some of the water into the saucer to sit for a day before scrubbing it.

 

[GrumpAzz]

Roots are doing their thang

 

[steamroller]

That's some great root growth~!
My only concern with going media less is the plant tipping over when it flowers and gets heavy.
Hopefully the mass of roots will be large and heavy enough to hold everything in place.

 

[GrumpAzz]

That's some great root growth~!
My only concern with going media less is the plant tipping over when it flowers and gets heavy.
Hopefully the mass of roots will be large and heavy enough to hold everything in place.

I thought about that. I'll be tying 'em down to the eyelets on the lids when they get that big. Hopefully i'll need to tie up some colas too

 

[Zen_seeker]

I thoight about that. I'll be tying 'em down to the eyelets on the lids when they get that big. Hopefully i'll need to tie up some colas too

Yoyos would help. I’ve become a fan of them.