A sneek peek deep into N2's garden thread

[Aqua Man]

Yup your doing a great job and probably a lot less work now… its ridiculous how much work one tiny thing can make for a person

 

[IamN2pot]

OK teachers, time to give the farmer another lesson.

She will be 7 weeks under 12/12 on 6/1 and 9 weeks on the 15th. I have no real idea how long I will need for her to finish. 8-10 weeks is what the book says and that's what I'm counting on, as far as timing to get her and Mother Earth out and her 2 clones into that tent around the 15th. I may cut their light to 10/14 if needed to hurry up the finish a little bit.

So, with that in mind, the Jack's 321 schedule wants me to change out the formula, from 321 to Finish (7-15-30) for 1 week and then a water flush for 4-7 days. That takes me right out to the 15th.

I'm due for another '4th day' water change tonight. Should I do a 321 or a Finish nute soup tonight? Do I need to change over to the Finish at all? , or for 1 week?, or for 10 days and a 4 day flush?
..and I have read enough data about flushing to know that IMO, no-one knows whether to flush or not to flush. So advice and sharing your experiance is nice! Let's keep it nice, please. I'm just learning

 

[Aqua Man]

OK teachers, time to give the farmer another lesson.

She will be 7 weeks under 12/12 on 6/1 and 9 weeks on the 15th. I have no real idea how long I will need for her to finish. 8-10 weeks is what the book says and that's what I'm counting on, as far as timing to get her and Mother Earth out and her 2 clones into that tent around the 15th. I may cut their light to 10/14 if needed to hurry up the finish a little bit.

So, with that in mind, the Jack's 321 schedule wants me to change out the formula, from 321 to Finish (7-15-30) for 1 week and then a water flush for 4-7 days. That takes me right out to the 15th.

I'm due for another '4th day' water change tonight. Should I do a 321 or a Finish nute soup tonight? Do I need to change over to the Finish at all? , or for 1 week?, or for 10 days and a 4 day flush?
..and I have read enough data about flushing to know that IMO, no-one knows whether to flush or not to flush. So advice and sharing your experiance is nice! Let's keep it nice, please. I'm just learning

Majority is preference but alot depends on the media and the nutrients fed up to this point… in hydro we dont flush per se but rather lower the ppm. I see no reason to change any here except adding maybe a sweetener like floralicious or just straight up potassium sulphate. Adjust the ppm as needed for your nitrogen which looks fine atm

 

[IamN2pot]

Since the water was falling normal, pH steady and ppm's were going up just a bit, last water change I dropped her 321 ppm's from 600 down to 500/500. They remained steady as the water dropped this time. I think I'll go ahead and drop her to 450/500 of 321 and cut her light by 1 hour each week now. Her daughters want me to hurry her and her sister out of the tent. LOL!

 

[Aqua Man]

Since the water was falling normal, pH steady and ppm's were going up just a bit, last water change I dropped her 321 ppm's from 600 down to 500/500. They remained steady as the water dropped this time. I think I'll go ahead and drop her to 450/500 of 321 and cut her light by 1 hour each week now. Her daughters want me to hurry her and her sister out of the tent. LOL!

Why cut the light?

 

[IamN2pot]

Why cut the light?

Shorten the number of bloom days needed to finish

 

[Aqua Man]

Shorten the number of bloom days needed to finish

I don’t think it works that way

 

[IamN2pot]

Don't take this the wrong way, Aqua. I have not tried the 10/14, but when googled, for what that's worth???, I see lots of post and info just like this.

Will Buds Mature Faster if I Switch From 12/12 to 10/14? | Grow Weed Easy

Certain marijuana strains take 4+ months in the flowering stage under a 12/12 light schedule! You can force them to mature faster by giving them longer night periods.

www.growweedeasy.com

...so just sayin???

 

[Aqua Man]

Don't take this the wrong way, Aqua. I have not tried the 10/14, but when googled, for what that's worth???, I see lots of post and info just like this.

Will Buds Mature Faster if I Switch From 12/12 to 10/14? | Grow Weed Easy

Certain marijuana strains take 4+ months in the flowering stage under a 12/12 light schedule! You can force them to mature faster by giving them longer night periods.

www.growweedeasy.com

...so just sayin???

Id like to see a study to support it. I could maybe get on board for long flowering sativas as a possibility but other than that i cant see it…. I also see no claims of how much time is reduced… But i can almost certainly say its a good way to reduce your yields as the plant will produce much less energy

 

[Aqua Man]

I can also say that near the end of a grow plants photosynthesize less naturally but i just dont see a benefit unless growing a long flowering sativa… and then only maybe.

You spend all that time growing to reduce yields and finish maybe a week earlier on a 8-10 week strain … this to me seems like a fad that may reduce flowering time insignificantly but also yields

Now on a 14+ week strain maybe it would be a bit more justifiable

 

[IamN2pot]

Life is GOOD!

Yes, I just took cuts from Water Weed without planning out when I would have room for them. So, that's why I'm trying to figure how to shorten the flower time.
To quote an old Bob Marley, "Don't worry 'bout a thing, 'cause every little things gonna be all right".

This morning I was caught off gaurd by what I found in the tall tent. I think Mother Earth has gone into serious senescence over the past 48 hours. Guess I do some defoliation on her today and start prepping her for harvest.
I gave here one final(?) good feed of Age Old (5-10-5) and I'll see if she want to give one little final push or if she's already done. Either way, she'll be done, for my taste, by the time I have to move the 2 clones from Water Weed in. That also allows Water Weed, to finish .... I hope!!!

It's all good!!!

 

[IamN2pot]

...and a quick pic from a lower bud on Water Weed I just has to take.

YUM!!!

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah looking good… time to keep a close eye in that plant as its gonna be close soon

 

[IamN2pot]

"Experiance is the best teacher", ...and "curiousity killed the cat"! Livin and learnin here!!! so it's all good


Last week I got concerned about dark, dark green leaf color and leaf tips turning up with taco'ing. I'm thinking that those are 2 seperate problems. The tacoing is from my pushing the PAR from 500-600 up to the 800-900 range about 10 days ago. The extreem green color I'm thinking is because I'm still on the 321. It has 20 N (5-12-26 + 15-0-0 = 20-12-26) and in the 7th week of bloom, IMO that's alot of N for that stage of life. Almost toxic???
Anyway, that unwonderful Jacks 321 Feed schedule, and some charts I've seen, will lower the N and really up the K in the last few weeks. Is that right? in general?
So Sat night I switched to the Jacks Finish (7-15-30) to cut the N in half. Sunday morning I was pleased as punch with the results. She looked very happy with the nute formula switch. This morning though, I noticed some tan/brown marks on many of the top fan leaves only. My first guess is it's just senescence showing up from the PAR boost, but since I've never been this far into flower with hydro?????

FTR:
321 was added at 450 ppm to Potassium Silicate / Phosphoric Acid (pH buffer) of 160 ppm for a total 610 + bennies = 650ppm/500
Finish was added at 400ppm to Pot Sil / Pho Acid of 160ppm for a total of 560 + bennies = 610ppm

Tell me what you think, and remember that the leaf tip curl and taco was all there BEFORE I switched the formula, but the spots I just spotted today.
Thanks!



...and closer up


Thoes 2 pictures are of the 2 leaves circled. Here is what the cola looks like.

 

[IamN2pot]

LOL, I forgot to post the picture of my taco monalith.

 

[Aqua Man]

"Experiance is the best teacher", ...and "curiousity killed the cat"! Livin and learnin here!!! so it's all good


Last week I got concerned about dark, dark green leaf color and leaf tips turning up with taco'ing. I'm thinking that those are 2 seperate problems. The tacoing is from my pushing the PAR from 500-600 up to the 800-900 range about 10 days ago. The extreem green color I'm thinking is because I'm still on the 321. It has 20 N (5-12-26 + 15-0-0 = 20-12-26) and in the 7th week of bloom, IMO that's alot of N for that stage of life. Almost toxic???
Anyway, that unwonderful Jacks 321 Feed schedule, and some charts I've seen, will lower the N and really up the K in the last few weeks. Is that right? in general?
So Sat night I switched to the Jacks Finish (7-15-30) to cut the N in half. Sunday morning I was pleased as punch with the results. She looked very happy with the nute formula switch. This morning though, I noticed some tan/brown marks on many of the top fan leaves only. My first guess is it's just senescence showing up from the PAR boost, but since I've never been this far into flower with hydro?????

FTR:
321 was added at 450 ppm to Potassium Silicate / Phosphoric Acid (pH buffer) of 160 ppm for a total 610 + bennies = 650ppm/500
Finish was added at 400ppm to Pot Sil / Pho Acid of 160ppm for a total of 560 + bennies = 610ppm

Tell me what you think, and remember that the leaf tip curl and taco was all there BEFORE I switched the formula, but the spots I just spotted today.
Thanks!

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...and closer up
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Thoes 2 pictures are of the 2 leaves circled. Here is what the cola looks like.
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Thats not N burn but the finish ratios are right…. All that tip and edge burn is potassium deficiency and you always want it higher than N…. 2-1-3 ratio is where you want to be until mid late flower and can be used start to finish.

Turn your lights down…. Always the fist thing you do when you see a problem because they are almost surely going to stunt now. You dont have co2 600-800 is likely where you will max with a healthy plant and a dialed in nutrient and environment

 

[moe.red]

What are your environmental conditions? Still super dry?

 

[Aqua Man]

What are your environmental conditions? Still super dry?

Looks that way to me

 

[IamN2pot]

What are your environmental conditions? Still super dry?

Here is the report for the past month. It did an update on May 19th an lost the data from the 14th-19th. (explitive.....grrrr). Otherwise, it kept pretty well with the T3 humidifier in the 1-1.2 range. It's actually been quite rainy and humid the past week.

 

[IamN2pot]

I droped the light intensity yesterday morning, from 800-900 down to 700-800 range, but I don't really expect to see them flatten out, LOL!
I also began defoliating Mother Earth last night. They hits the 8 week (56 days) of 12/12 tomorrow, and IMHO she's ready. Could she go longer? of course. But this grow isn't about that. I'm quite happy with where she is at for harvest right now.
As for Water Weed, I can't remember ever having a plant this far into flower and still be as green as she is. I can't decide if I like that or prefer the colors of autumn as they reach senescence? Anyway, it's fun seeing something new and differant.

I do have a question about Jack's. My dear dad has a saying that may fit here. "...just another way to get the poor, farmers money"

Then again, that's why I'm asking. I kinda hope my gut feeling is wrong, but we'll see.

I was looking at the Jacks Finish and it looks to me to be a very similar formula to the 321's A formula. Yes, the majors are in slightly differant ratio's, but if they were not marked for differant use's? Yes, the micro's are also in differant ratio's, but they are all there. What's missing in both bags is the Calcium. Appearently, according to the nute ingrediants, Calcium is only needed in Clone and 321 stages on the feed schedule, as those are the only times nutes with Calcium are added.
Could be??? I'm curious. Is the Finish really needed for the 1 week that Jack's says to use it, or could the A as a stand alone be used just as effectively?
Is the Finish "just another way to get the poor 's $$$" ?
Thanks guys!!!

 

[Aqua Man]

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I droped the light intensity yesterday morning, from 800-900 down to 700-800 range, but I don't really expect to see them flatten out, LOL!
I also began defoliating Mother Earth last night. They hits the 8 week (56 days) of 12/12 tomorrow, and IMHO she's ready. Could she go longer? of course. But this grow isn't about that. I'm quite happy with where she is at for harvest right now.
As for Water Weed, I can't remember ever having a plant this far into flower and still be as green as she is. I can't decide if I like that or prefer the colors of autumn as they reach senescence? Anyway, it's fun seeing something new and differant.

I do have a question about Jack's. My dear dad has a saying that may fit here. "...just another way to get the poor, farmers money"

Then again, that's why I'm asking. I kinda hope my gut feeling is wrong, but we'll see.

I was looking at the Jacks Finish and it looks to me to be a very similar formula to the 321's A formula. Yes, the majors are in slightly differant ratio's, but if they were not marked for differant use's? Yes, the micro's are also in differant ratio's, but they are all there. What's missing in both bags is the Calcium. Appearently, according to the nute ingrediants, Calcium is only needed in Clone and 321 stages on the feed schedule, as those are the only times nutes with Calcium are added.
Could be??? I'm curious. Is the Finish really needed for the 1 week that Jack's says to use it, or could the A as a stand alone be used just as effectively?
Is the Finish "just another way to get the poor 's $$$" ?
Thanks guys!!!

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Part a is combined with b to guve a much different ratio than finish which I believe is used alone.

It would make sense to adjust the Ca

 

[IamN2pot]

What a differance a day makes.

Yesterday was a happy day, it was a harvest day and moving day. Anyone following this thread that would like to see Mother Earth's and Water Weed's clones grow, I'm growing them out on another grow journal, here. https://budbuilders.org/threads/ori...entic-genetics-seed-company-grow-journal.161/

So Mother Earth is now hanging in the closet. The 3 Water Weed clones that were on 18/6 in the closet are now in the bloom tent with their mother, 8 weeks ahead of them.
OK, time for some pictures from yesterday...and then a few from today

The last side by side shot.


and some bud shots of Mother Earth. She was starting to foxtail it looks like. Shoot. We'll see what her clones do with more time to flower.



and her framework. She was only topped once, at the 7th internode. The 3 lower internodes (1,3 and 5 finger) were stripped and the top 4 with 8 main branches is what she finished with. I'll post her final weight and how much oil she produces as I get those numbers.


And today, there is a sweet aroma permiating our home. Seems to be emminating from a closet in the back bedroom,


and in the tent, day 1, LOL hahahaha. Only about 59 more days to go for some and about 10 more for 1 beautiful Water Weed!


IMO, she is yummy.....and she's making me some foxtails. I foxtails on haze. Makes my collecting trichomes so nice off those exposed brack monolith towers we call foxtails.

 

[IamN2pot]

Wildwood Weed song goes something like this....
"Well all good things got to come to an end, and it's the same with the wild wood weed." ...and this morning I was out there in the tent and I spied 'em and I turned as white as a sheet.

Well, no need to say any more, or push her any farther. The main objective of this entire exersize was to determine if I could grow a DWC plant to finish at 4700' elevation with good results. Well.....

SUCCESS!!!
...and to be honest, after what Water Weed went through, I'm surprised I haven't seen them earlier and alot more nanners.
Time to set-up my manicuring station. ...and a few last pictures of the monolith. See those 2 nanners? Side by side.

I'll get final weights posted when I get them.




and from above...

full plant and one more bud picture...

 

[midwestcannaman]

Wildwood Weed song goes something like this....
"Well all good things got to come to an end, and it's the same with the wild wood weed." ...and this morning I was out there in the tent and I spied 'em and I turned as white as a sheet.

Well, no need to say any more, or push her any farther. The main objective of this entire exersize was to determine if I could grow a DWC plant to finish at 4700' elevation with good results. Well.....

SUCCESS!!!
...and to be honest, after what Water Weed went through, I'm surprised I haven't seen them earlier and alot more nanners.
Time to set-up my manicuring station. ...and a few last pictures of the monolith. See those 2 nanners? Side by side.

I'll get final weights posted when I get them.
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Those look like they needed at the absolute least a few more weeks. Were you going of breeders estimated flowering time or did you have to cut them super early for another reason? I think you would have been amazed at how much larger and potent they'd of been if allowed to finish properly. Try letting them go til the pistils atleast die back next time and I promise you WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED! I did the same thing before and I know we've all been there before, itching to harvest. It blew my mind the first time I didn't rush to harvest and allowed the plant to tell me it was finished. Everything about the finished product from size, smell, flavor, etc were all all greatly improved. Good grow man, and i am in know way downing your grow, just passing along advice that ive been given. Doing great, keep on growing and progressing!

 

[Rootsruler]

Those look like they needed at the absolute least a few more weeks. Were you going of breeders estimated flowering time or did you have to cut them super early for another reason? I think you would have been amazed at how much larger and potent they'd of been if allowed to finish properly. Try letting them go til the pistils atleast die back next time and I promise you WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED! I did the same thing before and I know we've all been there before, itching to harvest. It blew my mind the first time I didn't rush to harvest and allowed the plant to tell me it was finished. Everything about the finished product from size, smell, flavor, etc were all all greatly improved. Good grow man, and i am in know way downing your grow, just passing along advice that ive been given. Doing great, keep on growing and progressing!

I agree. 2 more weeks would have been where I would start thinking about cutting them down. The leaf death I'm seeing says it needs more time. Do you have a way to view trichomes? That should tell the story as far as when to harvest and ripeness.

 

[IamN2pot]

Those look like they needed at the absolute least a few more weeks. Were you going of breeders estimated flowering time or did you have to cut them super early for another reason? I think you would have been amazed at how much larger and potent they'd of been if allowed to finish properly. Try letting them go til the pistils atleast die back next time and I promise you WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED! I did the same thing before and I know we've all been there before, itching to harvest. It blew my mind the first time I didn't rush to harvest and allowed the plant to tell me it was finished. Everything about the finished product from size, smell, flavor, etc were all all greatly improved. Good grow man, and i am in know way downing your grow, just passing along advice that ive been given. Doing great, keep on growing and progressing!

I agree. 2 more weeks would have been where I would start thinking about cutting them down. The leaf death I'm seeing says it needs more time. Do you have a way to view trichomes? That should tell the story as far as when to harvest and ripeness.

I agree with you both. IMHO she was still a bit green. That said, I wrote my feeling about when to harvest and posted it here. It's all good!!!

Steak, Bananas, Flowers, and Toast: “Are they ready yet?”

Welcome to the forums fellow home growing gardeners! There is an eternal question that practically every new gardener asks, “Are my flowers ready yet?” That question is IMHO (in my humble opinion), one of the most legitimate questions ever posted in these forums. A new pot grower nearing the...

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I'm hopefull that her clones will get to ripen a bit more fully. I'd like to take them out as far as 12 weeks, but they should be ready closer to mid Aug. I'll see. But for now, I'll just be happy to see what kind of dry sift and oil she makes me.

 

[IamN2pot]

Time for some final pictures and weights.
The Mother Earth pheno yielded 260 grams of flower and 15 gr of trim/larf.
The Water Weed pheno yielded 351 grams of flower and 42gr of trim/larf.

...and here are a few pictures of the flowers and a suprise final picture, thank you Mother Earth. zoom in to see trichomes....






drum roll......
LOL!!!


It's been a good grow and I've learned mountains worth of knowledge.
Thank you @Aqua Man , @Moe.Red , @SweetLeafGrow , @Anthem275 , @CannaGranny , @steamroller and every member that has contributed.
It has been good, it's ALL good!!!

 

[Aqua Man]

Time for some final pictures and weights.
The Mother Earth pheno yielded 260 grams of flower and 15 gr of trim/larf.
The Water Weed pheno yielded 351 grams of flower and 42gr of trim/larf.

...and here are a few pictures of the flowers and a suprise final picture, thank you Mother Earth. View attachment 9210zoom in to see trichomes....View attachment 9211
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drum roll......
LOL!!!
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It's been a good grow and I've learned mountains worth of knowledge.
Thank you @Aqua Man , @Moe.Red , @SweetLeafGrow , @Anthem275 , @CannaGranny , @steamroller and every member that has contributed.
It has been good, it's ALL good!!!

Good stuff bro