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Increase rate of Heart Failure by 34% for weed smoke/vapers the study says

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So, it turns out that getting stoned a lot, particularly when you are old isn't too good for the average guy. Risk of stroke and heart attack is some serious shit. I think moderate use is probably OK, but maybe not. I've been using filters on joints for a while, that may or may not help. Congrats to Ohio for legalizing the 3rd most popular drug worldwide.
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SiamSam said:

So, it turns out that getting stoned a lot, particularly when you are old isn't too good for the average guy. Risk of stroke and heart attack is some serious shit. I think moderate use is probably OK, but maybe not. I've been using filters on joints for a while, that may or may not help. Congrats to Ohio for legalizing the 3rd most popular drug worldwide.​

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I was thinking about this today. I was actually curious to know if weed helped with cancer, as a deterrent basically. sucks to know about causing heart attacks and strokes. smoking really makes me cough a lot when smoking it. I guess if i gotta go i always said i was going on my own terms. if i'm high when it happens, cool.
 
Garbage_bear said:
I don’t believe any of this BS. They always come out with some scare tactics with Cannabis. It’s medicine.
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The American Heart association is just saying what the study shows in the heart realm. That doesnt make mj any more or less effective for pain relief or other teatments. There will be more studies, and more uses for cannabis as a healing drug.
 
Yep^, I am Just amazed at the Medical Community, they recognize cannabis but then as the nurses association certify this treatment, they begin to relate "Addiction awareness" and these other negative aspects to their regimen only confusing the community?? SSgrower
 
I read a few of these articles and not one goes into detail about how THC causes heart problems. I get the tar and smoke aspect of joints causing issues, but what about vaping and edibles? They say they still cause problems but wont say why? Maybe I missed that part.
 
"Those with cannabis use disorder who suffered a heart attack or stroke were more likely to be Black patients, with AIDS, alcohol or drug abuse, depression or high blood pressure, the study found.". So it could bery well be the other co-morbidities that causes this increase in heart attacks.

"Whether marijuana actually causes cardiovascular problems is still up in the air, according to Paul Armentano, deputy director of NORML, which advocates for the legalization of marijuana.
Armentano noted that a study published in the October issue of the journal Circulation found no increased risk of heart issues among marijuana users. Other studies have also failed to show an association between the drug and cardiovascular events, he said.
"My presumption is it's the association with other unhealthy behaviors rather than cannabis use per se that is driving the association highlighted in these latest AHA papers," he explained.
It is well known that inhaling cannabis by a vaporizer significantly mitigates exposure to combustion, and the use of herbal cannabis vaporizers has been determined to be safe and effective, Armentano said. "

I went to the doc and my blood pressure was perfect and I've been smoking for over 10 years. Me thinks there is some BS involved with this study. Will def be interested in further studies and debates over this. In the meantime, I will still smoke, though I've been vaping more lately anyway cuz I already know smoking by itself is bad.
 
I just blow smoke at those reports....literally.;)

After reading it you realize the numbers need some sort of context like, say, the dude in the test that died was already suffering from heart disease or whatever other related issues that brought it on.

Like anything, weed may not be conducive to some.
 
Rootsruler said:
I just blow smoke at those reports....literally.;)

After reading it you realize the numbers need some sort of context like, say, the dude in the test that died was already suffering from heart disease or whatever other related issues that brought it on.

Like anything, weed may not be conducive to some.
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Imo, if weed caused heart disease, lots of potheads would be having heart attacks, but alas noone ever mentions heart issues amongst weed smokers as a "thing". AKA everything in moderation and the people in those studies probably had co-morbidities that makes their theory muted.
 
Rootsruler said:
I just blow smoke at those reports....literally.;)

After reading it you realize the numbers need some sort of context like, say, the dude in the test that died was already suffering from heart disease or whatever other related issues that brought it on.

Like anything, weed may not be conducive to some.
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Weed leads to oreos, doritoes, and all kinds of other bad shit. 😄 I'd like to see a study on edibles vs smoking...
 
I have to think inhaling any warm or hot substance can’t be helping my lungs which is why I’m always looking for a better way to eat the product rather than smoke.

I feel my own physical condition (heart and lungs) has been negatively impacted by cannabis use. But that’s my own personal experience, others my find otherwise.
 
ZombieRider said:
Imo, if weed caused heart disease, lots of potheads would be having heart attacks, but alas noone ever mentions heart issues amongst weed smokers as a "thing". AKA everything in moderation and the people in those studies probably had co-morbidities that makes their theory muted.
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My response to the report would be "Go talk to the Rastafarians....."
 
TomH said:
I have to think inhaling any warm or hot substance can’t be helping my lungs which is why I’m always looking for a better way to eat the product rather than smoke.

I feel my own physical condition (heart and lungs) has been negatively impacted by cannabis use. But that’s my own personal experience, others my find otherwise.
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Cannabis has anti-inflammatory properties. Gave a CBD pen to an ex that had COPD. She was using her nebulizer every few months. After she was hitting her CBD vape for a few weeks she said her shortness of breath was easing and after a year or so she put her nebulizer away.
 
Rootsruler said:
Cannabis has anti-inflammatory properties. Gave a CBD pen to an ex that had COPD. She was using her nebulizer every few months. After she was hitting her CBD vape for a few weeks she said her shortness of breath was easing and after a year or so she put her nebulizer away.
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Glad to hear that@rootsruler
 
Even if Cannabis did cause heart problems (which i dont buy into), look what it does for this guy!!
Cannabis is such amazing medicine
 
Garbage_bear said:
I don’t believe any of this BS. They always come out with some scare tactics with Cannabis. It’s medicine.
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To be fair, opiates are also medicine. Just because something is classified as a medicine doesn’t make it safe. There is no safe smoke for your lungs.

Now that weed is legal, it’s giving people confidence to say they smoke it, which is probably attributing for the higher numbers, and also likely that these people had other things that helped in causing these issues. Kind of like if you died in a car accident but had covid, covid killed ya (in the early reporting of covid cases at least).
 
elusive said:
Kind of like if you died in a car accident but had covid, covid killed ya (in the early reporting of covid cases at least).
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Had to get those numbers up somehow otherwise it wouldnt be scary enough. In BC they used to publish data in easy to read donut graphs. They stopped doing it eventually. This was the last one they ever published. Can't for the life of me figure out why they stopped giving us this info.
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Dirtbag said:
Nope, wait.. I figured out why they stopped giving us this info.
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If they’re worried about that, then they need to explain why it sways against vaccines and explain the data rather than let people make assumptions.

It’s as if they believe everyone is a stats major or educated in virology and medicine.
 
ZombieRider said:
@Habosabin @Dirtbag you two got it for sure, its a hell of a coincidence. Funny how they are so quick to say "cannabis causes heart attacks cuz of a new study". But if you say lots of people who get vaxxed for covid get myocarditis they say "why dont you believe in SCIENCE" lmao.
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My wife's cousin almost died with pericarditis a couple weeks after his last poke. Was in the hospital for months. In his early 30's, is still taking medication for it more than a year later, and they think his pericardium could be permanently damaged. Doctors don't know what caused it.
 
ZombieRider said:
Funny how they are so quick to say "cannabis causes heart attacks cuz of a new study".
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If you read beyond the headlines, they all say "could increase risk". It's a clickbait headline.

I think the issue is people think smoking weed is 100% without consequence, and it's not. Inhaling any kind of smoke / fumes over extended periods of time will increase your risk for lung or heart disease. Even breathing pure oxygen (and for a short period of time) can cause serious damage.

You'll also have die hard zealots on both sides. Anyone who thinks any vaccine is 100% safe is just being willfully ignorant. Same with those who think vaccines are useless and will get you sick. Everyone's body is different and will respond to things differently, so there is a possibility of someone getting sick, and to varying degrees. Even if it were 0.5% chance, out of 8 billion people, that's 400,000,000 people that will get sick, which is a lot. Science does support your

if you say lots of people who get vaxxed for covid get myocarditis
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gripe. It's in the data, just hidden behind the benefits for the majority of people that a lot of people fail to see.

Dirtbag said:
My wife's cousin almost died with pericarditis a couple weeks after his last poke. Was in the hospital for months. In his early 30's, is still taking medication for it more than a year later, and they think his pericardium could be permanently damaged. Doctors don't know what caused it.
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Dude that sucks. Is there anything that can be done for him besides hoping medicine fixes it? Have the meds been helping him at all, or is it just keeping him from getting worse?

I have a friend who became diabetic after getting a flu shot. No family history of diabetes, was never diagnosed by doctors as pre-diabetic, but there she is. Doctors said the same thing. Unfortunately, even if they agree with you, they can't/won't say for fear of either legal reasons or public opinion of them.
 
elusive said:
If you read beyond the headlines, they all say "could increase risk". It's a clickbait headline.

I think the issue is people think smoking weed is 100% without consequence, and it's not. Inhaling any kind of smoke / fumes over extended periods of time will increase your risk for lung or heart disease. Even breathing pure oxygen (and for a short period of time) can cause serious damage.

You'll also have die hard zealots on both sides. Anyone who thinks any vaccine is 100% safe is just being willfully ignorant. Same with those who think vaccines are useless and will get you sick. Everyone's body is different and will respond to things differently, so there is a possibility of someone getting sick, and to varying degrees. Even if it were 0.5% chance, out of 8 billion people, that's 400,000,000 people that will get sick, which is a lot. Science does support your



gripe. It's in the data, just hidden behind the benefits for the majority of people that a lot of people fail to see.



Dude that sucks. Is there anything that can be done for him besides hoping medicine fixes it? Have the meds been helping him at all, or is it just keeping him from getting worse?

I have a friend who became diabetic after getting a flu shot. No family history of diabetes, was never diagnosed by doctors as pre-diabetic, but there she is. Doctors said the same thing. Unfortunately, even if they agree with you, they can't/won't say for fear of either legal reasons or public opinion of them.
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I'm not sure what the future looks like for him, but he's functional on the drugs, able to work and play golf etc. They tried weening him off the medication but he couldn't walk up a set of stairs without getting dizzy and out of breath, so he went back on the meds.

Him and his entire family refuse to talk about the vax as possibly being the cause. My wife brought it up to her aunt, his mom when we were there visiting last August and she literally said to my wife something to the effect of "that's silly, I'm not entertaining that nonsense.. the doctors don't know what caused it, I'm sure if it was the vaccine they would have said so."
 
ZombieRider said:
@Habosabin @Dirtbag you two got it for sure, its a hell of a coincidence. Funny how they are so quick to say "cannabis causes heart attacks cuz of a new study". But if you say lots of people who get vaxxed for covid get myocarditis they say "why dont you believe in SCIENCE" lmao.
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I didn't like the mandate part. If some person who thinks they are at risk wants to take a new novel mRNA experimental vaccine more power to them. But forcing people to take it so they can provide for their family is vile.

I got the J&j vaccine due to mandatory travel bullshit. I had liberal friends say I took the wrong vaccine. That's how far down the narrative went.
 
Habosabin said:
I didn't like the mandate part. If some person who thinks they are at risk wants to take a new novel mRNA experimental vaccine more power to them. But forcing people to take it so they can provide for their family is vile.

I got the J&j vaccine due to mandatory travel bullshit. I had liberal friends say I took the wrong vaccine. That's how far down the narrative went.
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Same. Couldn't care less what other people put in their body, but the immense pressure from everyone around me to get it made me sick. I didn't get the jab for a few reasons.
The Prime Minister called me a racist misogynist with unacceptable views.

Fun times
This was the front page of the Toronto star during the heat of the lockdown phase. I was just waiting to be dragged into the town center to be publicly flogged by the townsfolk.
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I read an editorial where they wanted to round up unvaccinated people and put them in camps. These are the same people not understanding how the jews were rounded up. The vitriol thrown to the unvaccinated in the media was unbelievable.
 
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