Madmax growing with Dragons Flame Genetics

[Max]

Awesome..thanks Aqua..hopefully the stores open in the morning.i did use the cannazym e ages ago and couldn’t believe the Color of the runoff..that stuff sure cleans the coco.

 

[Aqua Man]

Awesome..thanks Aqua..hopefully the stores open in the morning.i did use the cannazym e ages ago and couldn’t believe the Color of the runoff..that stuff sure cleans the coco.

That will work too

 

[Max]

basically that low ppm was to get what’s built up in the media out so once the ppm of runoff was down I’d feed alower ppm than what I was running…

im in 4 gals and 40% of that is perlite .I’m only getting away with low feeding as I usually run quite abit through so the ppm of runoff is usually in check…I do remember that plant wasn’t getting the runoff earlier in the grow and I think it has built up .

 

[Costanza]

basically that low ppm was to get what’s built up in the media out so once the ppm of runoff was down I’d feed alower ppm than what I was running…

im in 4 gals and 40% of that is perlite .I’m only getting away with low feeding as I usually run quite abit through so the ppm of runoff is usually in check…I do remember that plant wasn’t getting the runoff earlier in the grow and I think it has built up .

Ah ok I was over here thinking damn if I can get away with 400ppm I could make my nutrients last twice as long wishful thinking I guess

 

[Aqua Man]

I had the same issue with my plants the past two runs and I just reset my timer to run during the day instead of night thinking I had a light leak too. Do you always feed that low around this time? Maybe I just feed heavy but around week 3-4 I'm up around 850PPM and I feed twice per day in 2 gal pots with pure coco and no perlite.

Thats sounds pretty spot on to me.

But also different nutrients have different ratios of N so some may run 600 and other may need even 1000 ppm to reach the dane concentration of N.

I found 750-800 to be my sweet spot.

But i think max is just trying to make sure there is no buildup of nutrients in the media.

For prevention i suggest 1 lighter feed a week with enzymes to clear out anything the media is holding onto.

But if you suspect a build up then a flush with enzymes and a light feed because the enzymes will make any nutrients the media is holing almost immediately available.

 

[Costanza]

Thats sounds pretty spot on to me.

But also different nutrients have different ratios of N so some may run 600 and other may need even 1000 ppm to reach the dane concentration of N.

I found 750-800 to be my sweet spot.

But i think max is just trying to make sure there is no buildup of nutrients in the media.

For prevention i suggest 1 lighter feed a week with enzymes to clear out anything the media is holding onto.

But if you suspect a build up then a flush with enzymes and a light feed because the enzymes will make any nutrients the media is holing almost immediately available.

I haven't had any build up issues since using the nutrient line. they have this stuff you add at .2 ml per gal that prevents buildup and its been worth every penny its called Run Clean here is a link I have no idea what is in it but I also use it to soak my emitters and it dissolves the crap really fast usually in 12 hours my emitters are clean as a whistle. normally I use it as a PH down but it helps prevent scale and buildup really nicely

Cropsalt Nutrients RunClean

Cropsalt's Runclean will eliminate clogs caused by scaling and salt buildup. Replace your PH Down with Runclean.

cropsalt.com

 

[Aqua Man]

I haven't had any build up issues since using the nutrient line. they have this stuff you add at .2 ml per gal that prevents buildup and its been worth every penny its called Run Clean here is a link I have no idea what is in it but I also use it to soak my emitters and it dissolves the crap really fast usually in 12 hours my emitters are clean as a whistle. normally I use it as a PH down but it helps prevent scale and buildup really nicely

Cropsalt Nutrients RunClean

Cropsalt's Runclean will eliminate clogs caused by scaling and salt buildup. Replace your PH Down with Runclean.

cropsalt.com

There is your enzyme cleaner and why you never get a buildup

 

[Max]

yeah i havnt been fertigating correctly but seeing what I can get away with with one feed a day.so I just started feeding lower with plenty of runoff.no science behind what I’m doing..as soon as I lowered the ppm and add another 10+% of chunky perlite my problems disappeared and my yields were really good with Big buds..so I thought the feeding isn’t too far away along with the enviroment.so I have stuck to low feeding..with the buildup I was getting 2021 the ph was 4.7 but yet the buds were okay but not great. but weren’t like the small buds I’m getting on one plant every now and then and the same strain nxt to it would b completely the opposite in bud growth.i never knew what it was thinking it was just a bad seed or some mutant.and I wasn’t even checking runoff..this is the first time I have since I started lol.

 

[Max]

Okay.i ended up purchasing the cannazym as that was in the closest store near me… I ran 30 litres through ,checked the runoff and was down to 90ppm..the cannazym was 60 ppm of that so that just about completely flushed it.i forgot to add extra cal/mag for the coco..I will do that nxt feed.after about 15 litres went through there was bubbles coming up in 2 areas…maybe there was air pockets in the coco that wasn’t getting saturated but once I poured in the rest of the cannazym they stopped .fed and checked the runoff again after I gave them just about 12 litres of there feed and the ph pen was reading 400ppm so I stopped there..
im a little frightened to check the others haha ..they look okay but probably not .so she’s all reset .hopefully I see an improvement between now and harvest..

 

[Aqua Man]

Okay.i ended up purchasing the cannazym as that was in the closest store near me… I ran 30 litres through ,checked the runoff and was down to 90ppm..the cannazym was 60 ppm of that so that just about completely flushed it.i forgot to add extra cal/mag for the coco..I will do that nxt feed.after about 15 litres went through there was bubbles coming up in 2 areas…maybe there was air pockets in the coco that wasn’t getting saturated but once I poured in the rest of the cannazym they stopped .fed and checked the runoff again after I gave them just about 12 litres of there feed and the ph pen was reading 400ppm so I stopped there..
im a little frightened to check the others haha ..they look okay but probably not .so she’s all reset .hopefully I see an improvement between now and harvest..

Good stuff brother…. Sounds like you may have had a hydrophobic area in the media… that should be corrected now. If you suspect that in the future then use an enzyme dunk and soak for 30 min to an hour then let it drain. This is an alternative way to flush also but much more time consuming

 

[SSHZ]

Botanicare makes Clearex, which will also remove excess salts in any medium......... I often use it as a flush when needed. It's actually 4% citrus juice.

 

[Max]

Good stuff brother…. Sounds like you may have had a hydrophobic area in the media… that should be corrected now. If you suspect that in the future then use an enzyme dunk and soak for 30 min to an hour then let it drain. This is an alternative way to flush also but much more time consuming

Yeah.i might of had a couple things going on in there brother..thanks for the helping hand on how to flush the plant properly..that stuff smells a little great mycorrhizae …it also mentions I can use in coco after harvest so I can reuse the coco.
i don’t know exactly how to rebuff but is probably mix 250 ppm of nutes with something like 500ppm of cal mag in that.just going by the ec on the bag which is .5 ec..I probably wouldn’t do it but.quite easier just to buy a couple 50 litre bags..that’s all I use ea grow.

 

[Max]

Botanicare makes Clearex, which will also remove excess salts in any medium......... I often use it as a flush when needed. It's actually 4% citrus juice.

thats interesting sshz .i always thought what a plant has taken up stays in the plant .

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah.i might of had a couple things going on in there brother..thanks for the helping hand on how to flush the plant properly..that stuff smells a little great mycorrhizae …it also mentions I can use in coco after harvest so I can reuse the coco.
i don’t know exactly how to rebuff but is probably mix 250 ppm of nutes with something like 500ppm of cal mag in that.just going by the ec on the bag which is .5 ec..I probably wouldn’t do it but.quite easier just to buy a couple 50 litre bags..that’s all I use ea grow.

You can but for the cost i don’t like to. It breaks down over the grow and that leads to less aor holding capacity. No real need to PH adjust or buffer coco these days. It well rinsed if its any quality brand. Good quality coco is low in pith.

 

[Aqua Man]

thats interesting sshz .i always thought what a plant has taken up stays in the plant .

It does generally. He is talking about the medium

 

[Max]

It does generally. He is talking about the medium

I had a stoner moment .i looked it up and seen what it does instead of replying to his post..I got ahead of myself lol.

it was the last paragraph where it mentions it will force a plant to use up stored nutrients..


Many flushing products require a 10-14 day window prior to harvest which reduces the crucial terpene production time in crops. Clearex requires a smaller 3-7 day window prior to harvest so growers can continue to maximize the yield and potency of their crops without jeopardizing flavor.

Clearex can be used to correct the most common cause of crop failure- the buildup of nutrient salt deposits in soil or soilless grow media. Over-fertilization and high concentrations of mineral based nutrients in grow media can cause shrinkage and death of plant cells due to the excess draw of water through cell walls. This can eventually lead to irreversible wilting of plant leaves and stems. It can also lead to nutrient lockout and crop failure. Clearex draws salts away from plant roots and grow media while helping to maintain equilibrium during periodic or pre-harvest flushing.

Flushing with Clearex at the end of a crop’s growth cycle can trigger the last reproductive stage of the plant, forcing it to process and assimilate internally stored nutrients. Pre-harvest flushing with Clearex can enhance overall crop flavors and increase yields by encouraging plants to process excess nutrients

 

[Max]

That flush has def done wonders .where it was slow to drink it is now running through quite quickly..I ended up giving the others a dose aswell..

 

[Max]

Jeez I hate my door to my room it needs to b heaps wider lol.its such a pita pulling plants out through it so much so I cant bf pulling the rear ones out to defoliate them.i pulled the front middle zamal sunset to get to them to pluck some I mean bloody heaps of leaves off..soo leafy lol.very close proximity to ea other that light isn’t getting through to the lower buds....these gals are late too.probably go to 13weeks..
The Zamal sunset girls are completely different animals .front left has the mango coming through whereas the middle girl she is growing near identical to ones I grew outside in 2018-19 candy like skittles smell on the finger rub and stacking very nicely.lots of budsites and super clean..man she’s tall too and at about 15” -16 to light .and she’s drinking hard ,by lights on the pot is very light..im surprised i havnt got salt buildup but I think she is drinking all the nutes up.tops do look a little smaller than the lowers though.I’ll keep an eye on her.

 

[Stoneyluv]

your boats ridin lower than mine!!!! they look awesome Max!!!

ya know ever since my first treehouse as a kid i have been using double style doors in everything i build. the only thing cooler than double doors are those secret pocket doors!!!

don't you have a sawsall? a couple hinges.. some trim.. done! maybe a little duct tape too. call it a day!

 

[Max]

Hahahaha..that cracked me up Stoney…..yeah..I mean I got all that stuff and heaps of duct tape .but I dont think I could do it in 12 hrs .uno Id start soon as lights on..that’s 10.30 pm lol Yawns .have a couple caps then end up asleep somewhere and before I know it lights off .but I spose I could quickly make a door of duck tape pretty quick lol..

 

[Max]

Was looking at the Zamal sunset thinking I bet a million dollars us she’s getting too much light.. those top buds should b way bigger than they are without a doubt.you can see when you look down the plant where they are better..13 inches off the light was enough for me to say…your coming out baby and I’m gonna bend you like Beckham haha .i don’t like doing it 5weeks in as the stems near woody.she will thank me later..I squash bout an inch of the stem just squeezing it up and down and doing it as I bend.bit of fencing wire taped to it held with some 3m tape.had to use some tie wire too.the fencing wire will prevent the branch standing back up.it should do the trick.i put a stake in too to hold that branch firm,she’s gonna bend and break if I don’t…couple pics

that one I flushed still isn’t drinking like the others .i don’t know what else to do.i will check the runoff later and see what it says.…it’s def not transpiring but one beside it is so that’s what I don’t understand.i was thinking maybe it’s the light but I dunno .problems in the roots I gather.

 

[Zen_seeker]

the only thing cooler than double doors are those secret pocket doors!!!

I agree. Did this when we bought the place and gutted a few rooms.



I’d do it differently now but at the time it was a great idea. Just better ways to do it now.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Hahahaha..that cracked me up Stoney…..yeah..I mean I got all that stuff and heaps of duct tape .but I dont think I could do it in 12 hrs .uno Id start soon as lights on..that’s 10.30 pm lol Yawns .have a couple caps then end up asleep somewhere and before I know it lights off .but I spose I could quickly make a door of duck tape pretty quick lol..

They have the accordion style doors as well. Not a huge fan but I have a set on my office closets. Really help with space issues when a door is just in the way and no where to pocket one.

 

[steamroller]

Was looking at the Zamal sunset thinking I bet a million dollars us she’s getting too much light.. those top buds should b way bigger than they are without a doubt.you can see when you look down the plant where they are better..13 inches off the light was enough for me to say…your coming out baby and I’m gonna bend you like Beckham haha .i don’t like doing it 5weeks in as the stems near woody.she will thank me later..I squash bout an inch of the stem just squeezing it up and down and doing it as I bend.bit of fencing wire taped to it held with some 3m tape.had to use some tie wire too.the fencing wire will prevent the branch standing back up.it should do the trick.i put a stake in too to hold that branch firm,she’s gonna bend and break if I don’t…couple pics

that one I flushed still isn’t drinking like the others .i don’t know what else to do.i will check the runoff later and see what it says.…it’s def not transpiring but one beside it is so that’s what I don’t understand.i was thinking maybe it’s the light but I dunno .problems in the roots I gather.View attachment 78879View attachment 78880

Love the use of wire.
We all know most plants stand back up in a day or so.
Following how it goes at week 5.
I remember you doing this before.

I agree. Did this when we bought the place and gutted a few rooms.

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I’d do it differently now but at the time it was a great idea. Just better ways to do it now.

Very nice work there~!

 

[Max]

Hi aqua @Aqua Man i didn’t want to comment in spectrumfarms diary as to fill it up with my question on praying.i agree 100% if they are praying hard that is light stress.my problem with that is my sick plant is praying but not drinking all that much.the plant beside it isn’t praying ..different pheno and is sucking it up like a whore .do you think there could b soil compaction.small root ball or not enough oxygen or somethi…it’s like it’s getting an reverse effect from too much light..a very photo sensitive pheno

 

[Aqua Man]

Hi aqua @Aqua Man i didn’t want to comment in spectrumfarms diary as to fill it up with my question on praying.i agree 100% if they are praying hard that is light stress.my problem with that is my sick plant is praying but not drinking all that much.the plant beside it isn’t praying ..different pheno and is sucking it up like a whore .do you think there could b soil compaction.small root ball or not enough oxygen or somethi…it’s like it’s getting an reverse effect from too much light..a very photo sensitive pheno

It could be but it can also be genetics. Even different phenos will tolerate different amounts of light under tge same conditions.

Transpiration is affected by many things and while light is the driver. Media water content, temp, humidity and salinity all play big roles. So yea it could absolutely be that but it could just as easily be something else. Each oheno generally requires slightly different different ideals

 

[Max]

It’s a tough one lol..can you jump on your bike and ride down to my place..im only 5 mins away..can you imagine living nxt door to me…ah fuck…what’s he want this time.you would of moved by the end of first grow hahaha…funny thing is all plants with the problem do exactly the same thing and they have been all on the outside of the room .nothing in the middle where the ppfd would b more intense..

like you said it probably a combination of many things..fixing one doesn’t fix the problem

 

[Aqua Man]

It’s a tough one lol..can jump on your bike and ride down to my place..im only 5 mins away..can you imagine living nxt door to me…ah fuck…what’s he want this time.you would of moved by the end of first grow hahaha…funny thing is all plants with the problem do exactly the same thing and they have been all on the outside of the room .nothing in the middle where the ppfd would b more intense..

like you said it probably a combination of many things..fixing one doesn’t fix the problem

Honestly there is no such thing as a perfect grow brother and you can hit me up as much as you like.

Talking shop is enjoyable

 

[Max]

That’s a bad move saying that .you will b calling me corona soon..can’t get rid if him ..i bet your dm’s full…

im gonna do my best to prevent seeing this again...

 

[Aqua Man]

That’s a bad move saying that .you will b calling me corona soon..can’t get rid if him ..i bet your dm’s full…

im gonna do my best to prevent seeing this again...

Hell i would gove you my personal number. Im also on wire and use it with a few growers to keep in touch and help some people if you want