Stoney & The Shine RDWC SCROG

[GrumpAzz]

What are those little spiral jobbers at the bottom of your netpots?

 

[Stoneyluv]

The gumballs make me giggle
Does that digital display link to dose your pH and keep it set or is it just monitoring?

i like em too!!! even if the plants don't look good they make me smile anyway!! hahaha

i just monitor ATM... been trying to make it a doser too but struggle on the code. maybe if Moe comes back he'll help me get it finished.

but thus far i haven't had to adjust the ph, it's been pretty steady eddie!!

What are those little spiral jobbers at the bottom of your netpots?

those are my water spinners. they make the water spin in a circle in the round bucket and it helps remove co2 from the root zone.

nah, i'm fuckin with ya!!!! hahahahahaha

it's just a plastic screw from an airpot. the center hole in those netcups are larger than those little lecca balls so i needed something to block the hole and the screws were laying right there within eye sight on my garden cart so i was like bingo! hahaha

are ya gonna make me say it, i was high!!! hahahaha

 

[Bandit420]

i like em too!!! even if the plants don't look good they make me smile anyway!! hahaha

i just monitor ATM... been trying to make it a doser too but struggle on the code. maybe if Moe comes back he'll help me get it finished.

but thus far i haven't had to adjust the ph, it's been pretty steady eddie!!



those are my water spinners. they make the water spin in a circle in the round bucket and it helps remove co2 from the root zone.

nah, i'm fuckin with ya!!!! hahahahahaha

it's just a plastic screw from an airpot. the center hole in those netcups are larger than those little lecca balls so i needed something to block the hole and the screws were laying right there within eye sight on my garden cart so i was like bingo! hahaha

are ya gonna make me say it, i was high!!! hahahaha

I knew they were airpot screws but was like when I saw Grump's question but was thinking this fucking pothead's got something going on and kept it quiet. I figured you were trying to get roots to grow in a spiral or something

So to set your pH, you just set it for your system along with the nutes and it doesn't drift on you correct?
Do you pH anything for what you give the soil plants and if so do you see any drift?

 

[Stoneyluv]

I knew they were airpot screws but was like when I saw Grump's question but was thinking this fucking pothead's got something going on and kept it quiet. I figured you were trying to get roots to grow in a spiral or something

i knew you of all people knew what it was!!

So to set your pH, you just set it for your system along with the nutes and it doesn't drift on you correct?
Do you pH anything for what you give the soil plants and if so do you see any drift?

correct, the first thing i add to my plain water is Ph up or buffer solution, a bunch of it. immediately followed by ph down. it was first explained to me as if up is A and down is B and you add A+B the water stabilizes for that short few days. but if you add AAAAAAAAAA + BBBBBBBBBB then it lasts longer. so this is the way i approach it. my water starts out around 6ph add 2ml per gallon and then it shoots it up to about 10. if there are any micro nutrients in the water at this time they will separate from the water and never mix properly again. so this is why i start with AAAA + BBBB and then once under ph 7.0 i then start adding other nutrients to the water and continue to lower to 5.8 once the plants are happy they help keep the ph in check for themselves. the plants help buffer themselves to an extent. if the solution and plants are happy it can go for months and never drift one way or the other. i call this the sweet spot!!!!

soil ph checks? hahah never... not once... always read horror stories of growers chasing runoff numbers and made a decision to never go down that rabbit hole. so i always figured if i'm not gonna measure out why should i measure in!!!! hahaha

for the record i never really stopped watering the soil plants with my rain water. i don't think there was anything ever wrong with it other than some algae.

same barrel of water, same exact soil as last grow, same everything, well i killed the algae that was it.. no problems...

 

[Stoneyluv]

i threw in an ice pack and gave em fuzzy pink turtle necks!!! hahaha i'll see if this does anything at all. my basement floor is 70° right now, it's never been this warm that i can ever remember, i mean it's almost midnight here and it's still almost 80° outside!!!!



whatever mother nature is baking in her oven, she need to shut if off, that shit is done!!!! fuck!!!

 

[Bandit420]

i knew you of all people knew what it was!!



correct, the first thing i add to my plain water is Ph up or buffer solution, a bunch of it. immediately followed by ph down. it was first explained to me as if up is A and down is B and you add A+B the water stabilizes for that short few days. but if you add AAAAAAAAAA + BBBBBBBBBB then it lasts longer. so this is the way i approach it. my water starts out around 6ph add 2ml per gallon and then it shoots it up to about 10. if there are any micro nutrients in the water at this time they will separate from the water and never mix properly again. so this is why i start with AAAA + BBBB and then once under ph 7.0 i then start adding other nutrients to the water and continue to lower to 5.8 once the plants are happy they help keep the ph in check for themselves. the plants help buffer themselves to an extent. if the solution and plants are happy it can go for months and never drift one way or the other. i call this the sweet spot!!!!

soil ph checks? hahah never... not once... always read horror stories of growers chasing runoff numbers and made a decision to never go down that rabbit hole. so i always figured if i'm not gonna measure out why should i measure in!!!! hahaha

for the record i never really stopped watering the soil plants with my rain water. i don't think there was anything ever wrong with it other than some algae.

same barrel of water, same exact soil as last grow, same everything, well i killed the algae that was it.. no problems...

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Wow that's wild man! I've never heard of using adjusters like that. Nutes I've used always added the nutes first then use an adjuster to go up or down.
But yeah I was wondering if you did anything to your rain collector or your soil grow water with that gadget.
I have to adjust mine down but I don't spike it back and forth like what you were saying. I just added down and with Foop pH down it held steady but with the Safer brand it drifts up. I can't get the Foop anymore so I got Humboldt Secret which is phosphoric acid.
I think the Safer just breaks down, since it's citric acid & molasses based, before I can totally empty the barrel so the water drifts back up in the meantime. Not back up to 10.0 but up to around 8 before I bring it back down to 6.5-7.
I've had "pH controller doser" on ebay search alert for a few months and finally got a hit worth pursuing. It will be here Saturday so kinda hoping it might be able to take over the whole keeping pH in line job for me

 

[Zen_seeker]

forgot to post an update on these... soo... i killed the right boob... fafo with these new lecca balls..

so all i really had in already established plants were there two goofballs... so in they went..
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that was about a week ago and now they look like this..

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i'm having an issue but it doesn't look like my problem did before so i'm not getting to worried just yet, my rez temp is higher than i even want to type out loud!!

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so they look sad but not the same sad as before, i want to continue on and see what happens yet.

What’s the white drywall plug for?

 

[Zen_seeker]

What are those little spiral jobbers at the bottom of your netpots?

I asked the same thing reading the last page. Looks like drywall plugs to hang heavy objects.

 

[Zen_seeker]

i like em too!!! even if the plants don't look good they make me smile anyway!! hahaha

i just monitor ATM... been trying to make it a doser too but struggle on the code. maybe if Moe comes back he'll help me get it finished.

but thus far i haven't had to adjust the ph, it's been pretty steady eddie!!



those are my water spinners. they make the water spin in a circle in the round bucket and it helps remove co2 from the root zone.

nah, i'm fuckin with ya!!!! hahahahahaha

it's just a plastic screw from an airpot. the center hole in those netcups are larger than those little lecca balls so i needed something to block the hole and the screws were laying right there within eye sight on my garden cart so i was like bingo! hahaha

are ya gonna make me say it, i was high!!! hahahaha

My dad calls that Farmer smarts. You use what you have at hand.

 

[GrumpAzz]

What’s the white drywall plug for?

I thought the same thing

Why'd he throw a Nader in there..?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Wow that's wild man! I've never heard of using adjusters like that. Nutes I've used always added the nutes first then use an adjuster to go up or down.
But yeah I was wondering if you did anything to your rain collector or your soil grow water with that gadget.
I have to adjust mine down but I don't spike it back and forth like what you were saying. I just added down and with Foop pH down it held steady but with the Safer brand it drifts up. I can't get the Foop anymore so I got Humboldt Secret which is phosphoric acid.
I think the Safer just breaks down, since it's citric acid & molasses based, before I can totally empty the barrel so the water drifts back up in the meantime. Not back up to 10.0 but up to around 8 before I bring it back down to 6.5-7.
I've had "pH controller doser" on ebay search alert for a few months and finally got a hit worth pursuing. It will be here Saturday so kinda hoping it might be able to take over the whole keeping pH in line job for me

multiple types of ups or buffers combined will always function better than any one alone.
it's why when i was using the agsil16 buffer (potassium silicate) i also still added the ph up (phosphoric acid) to team up together.

and the GH up i'm using right now is also phosphoric acid. without a buffer my solution drifts up about .2 per day.

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a doser can be a plants best friend man!!! if the probe is accurate the rest is pretty straight forward.

I asked the same thing reading the last page. Looks like drywall plugs to hang heavy objects.

got some of those too!!!! hahaha

I thought the same thing

Why'd he throw a Nader in there..?

a Nader?!?!?! i never heard them called that before. i'm boring, i just call them drywall anchors. Zen called it a plug...

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so the pink insulation actually made a difference. it dropped four degrees and with a slight weather break outside i might be okay here. if i can overcome my burning issue i will invest some time into a proper insulation job and make it much better. again this was another airpot screw situation. i was walking back upstirs and the insulation caught my eye all folded up in the corner ready to use!!! haha and it's held on to the buckets with my stretchy trellis net!!!!! hahahaha not joking it is...

the plants still aren't happy but i'm not sure if it could be maybe the heat or maybe just the shock of going from soil to hydro. the issues on these just look different from the issue i was having... i don't know, i'm still gonna stay in holding pattern for now!





and this one here is a straight up mutant so who knows....



i plan to take two extra plants from the dark side that i don't have room for after an upcan. so i plan to put these two in the hydro system in the next couple weeks...



plan B would be that next week is the pocono's ganja fest again and we already got tickets so i could always buy two clones and bring bugs back in!!!! honestly i'm stupid enough to do it!!! good thing i already have these two matching plants already established with no future home.

i was watching SSHZ growing some honey fried bananas and he didn't top his plants at all and they all grew naturally bushy so they might end up being a good match for scrog'in!!!!

i'll probably need to adjust my nutrient ratio though. right now i'm equal amounts of trio set up for seedling/clone on the feed chart. i would imagine i should try to match a two or three week plant ratio. maybe just add more of the green stuff.. idk, it's something i'll need to look into over the next week or so. even the goofballs i have in now could probably use a different ratio as well... maybe an opportunity to test.. hmm...

have a great weekend everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GrumpAzz]

a Nader?!?!?! i never heard them called that before. i'm boring, i just call them drywall anchors. Zen called it a plug...

Ha yeah. Here in Kansas, we take every chance we get to reference something based on Tornados. I'll say Naders if we're being funny, or zip-its if I'm trying to sound cool. Zip it right to the wall.. get it?

 

[Bandit420]

multiple types of ups or buffers combined will always function better than any one alone.
it's why when i was using the agsil16 buffer (potassium silicate) i also still added the ph up (phosphoric acid) to team up together.

and the GH up i'm using right now is also phosphoric acid. without a buffer my solution drifts up about .2 per day.

I'd be nervous about making a concoction toxic to plants using adjusters together like that. I've killed so many plants with adjusters so it makes me cautious using them.
I dumped a barrel yesterday tuning my doser. Started at 9.0 but overdosed down to 3.9. The amount of adjuster needed to bring it back up woulda made a barrel of plant killer water so I dumped it and started over. I just don't trust up and down in the water together. They'll cancel each other out on the pH meter but concentrate in the rez pretty much making a seawater or a saline type deal toxic to plants.
I think your GH Up is actually potassium carbonate and your down is the phosphoric acid. Both can be good for plants but in small doses.
Too much of the acid even when the meter is correct on the pH can produce a micro nute lockout as well so this is where you get the questions about why is a plant dying when the meter says everything is good sorta deal. Good chance too much down was used chasing the pH.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Ha yeah. Here in Kansas, we take every chance we get to reference something based on Tornados. I'll say Naders if we're being funny, or zip-its if I'm trying to sound cool. Zip it right to the wall.. get it?

I’m not sure if everyone calls them plugs or because it was the brand we usually got when we ordered for job sites?


Different box but RawlPlug or drywall plug is what we called them at work in the 80’s/90’s.

Come to think of it I finally had to start buying my own. My case from back then ran out only a couple years ago.

 

[GrumpAzz]

This is what I saw, @Zen_seeker..


Mostly called zip-its around here. No drill bit required just zipt it to the wall.

 

[Zen_seeker]

This is what I saw, @Zen_seeker..
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Mostly called zip-its around here. No drill bit required just zipt it to the wall.

Yep, they are the newest ones I’m familiar with. Only good for drywall. Can be installed with just a Phillips screwdriver.

The metal types I/we just call anchors, some have strange nicknames like lazy Susan’s.

 

[GrumpAzz]

The metal types I/we just call anchors, some have strange nicknames like lazy Susan’s.

Yeah same. They're anchors unless you're talking to some old head that calls 'em blues and screws.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Ha yeah. Here in Kansas, we take every chance we get to reference something based on Tornados. I'll say Naders if we're being funny, or zip-its if I'm trying to sound cool. Zip it right to the wall.. get it?

they do work slick in thin drywall... but man if you try to use those things on 1" drywall they should call them snap-it's!!!! hahahaha

i normally just punch the broken fucker through the wall and zip another one in in the same now bigger hole!!! you can get pretty abusive with those things!!

I'd be nervous about making a concoction toxic to plants using adjusters together like that. I've killed so many plants with adjusters so it makes me cautious using them.
I dumped a barrel yesterday tuning my doser. Started at 9.0 but overdosed down to 3.9. The amount of adjuster needed to bring it back up woulda made a barrel of plant killer water so I dumped it and started over. I just don't trust up and down in the water together. They'll cancel each other out on the pH meter but concentrate in the rez pretty much making a seawater or a saline type deal toxic to plants.
I think your GH Up is actually potassium carbonate and your down is the phosphoric acid. Both can be good for plants but in small doses.
Too much of the acid even when the meter is correct on the pH can produce a micro nute lockout as well so this is where you get the questions about why is a plant dying when the meter says everything is good sorta deal. Good chance too much down was used chasing the pH.

i was a little nervous but after the one round when my bubbles were off and the ph was diving everyday i was adding so much ph up to it and thought i was close to poison, turns out after doing the actual math i wasn't even half way to poisonings. it takes pretty much..

one thing a couple people told me to was to dilute the up and down to prevent over correcting. that might be something you could try.

I’m not sure if everyone calls them plugs or because it was the brand we usually got when we ordered for job sites?
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Different box but RawlPlug or drywall plug is what we called them at work in the 80’s/90’s.

Come to think of it I finally had to start buying my own. My case from back then ran out only a couple years ago.

i can't stand those little ones like that, they're okay to hold a couple ounces on but i don't trust those things!!

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so this is the time when things are burning away and starting to lose hope... the dreaded three week mark... they don't seem to look much worse than before, still in holding pattern and hoping for the best!







ph is still solid and temps are high but not the end of the world..



i added some extra nutes and brought the ppms up a bit...



the replacements are still growing and i just wan to wait a little longer before i try.