Stoney grows Honey Fried Bananas in RDWC SCROG

[GrumpAzz]

What are those little spiral jobbers at the bottom of your netpots?

 

[Stoneyluv]

The gumballs make me giggle
Does that digital display link to dose your pH and keep it set or is it just monitoring?

i like em too!!! even if the plants don't look good they make me smile anyway!! hahaha

i just monitor ATM... been trying to make it a doser too but struggle on the code. maybe if Moe comes back he'll help me get it finished.

but thus far i haven't had to adjust the ph, it's been pretty steady eddie!!

What are those little spiral jobbers at the bottom of your netpots?

those are my water spinners. they make the water spin in a circle in the round bucket and it helps remove co2 from the root zone.

nah, i'm fuckin with ya!!!! hahahahahaha

it's just a plastic screw from an airpot. the center hole in those netcups are larger than those little lecca balls so i needed something to block the hole and the screws were laying right there within eye sight on my garden cart so i was like bingo! hahaha

are ya gonna make me say it, i was high!!! hahahaha

 

[Bandit420]

i like em too!!! even if the plants don't look good they make me smile anyway!! hahaha

i just monitor ATM... been trying to make it a doser too but struggle on the code. maybe if Moe comes back he'll help me get it finished.

but thus far i haven't had to adjust the ph, it's been pretty steady eddie!!



those are my water spinners. they make the water spin in a circle in the round bucket and it helps remove co2 from the root zone.

nah, i'm fuckin with ya!!!! hahahahahaha

it's just a plastic screw from an airpot. the center hole in those netcups are larger than those little lecca balls so i needed something to block the hole and the screws were laying right there within eye sight on my garden cart so i was like bingo! hahaha

are ya gonna make me say it, i was high!!! hahahaha

I knew they were airpot screws but was like when I saw Grump's question but was thinking this fucking pothead's got something going on and kept it quiet. I figured you were trying to get roots to grow in a spiral or something

So to set your pH, you just set it for your system along with the nutes and it doesn't drift on you correct?
Do you pH anything for what you give the soil plants and if so do you see any drift?

 

[Stoneyluv]

I knew they were airpot screws but was like when I saw Grump's question but was thinking this fucking pothead's got something going on and kept it quiet. I figured you were trying to get roots to grow in a spiral or something

i knew you of all people knew what it was!!

So to set your pH, you just set it for your system along with the nutes and it doesn't drift on you correct?
Do you pH anything for what you give the soil plants and if so do you see any drift?

correct, the first thing i add to my plain water is Ph up or buffer solution, a bunch of it. immediately followed by ph down. it was first explained to me as if up is A and down is B and you add A+B the water stabilizes for that short few days. but if you add AAAAAAAAAA + BBBBBBBBBB then it lasts longer. so this is the way i approach it. my water starts out around 6ph add 2ml per gallon and then it shoots it up to about 10. if there are any micro nutrients in the water at this time they will separate from the water and never mix properly again. so this is why i start with AAAA + BBBB and then once under ph 7.0 i then start adding other nutrients to the water and continue to lower to 5.8 once the plants are happy they help keep the ph in check for themselves. the plants help buffer themselves to an extent. if the solution and plants are happy it can go for months and never drift one way or the other. i call this the sweet spot!!!!

soil ph checks? hahah never... not once... always read horror stories of growers chasing runoff numbers and made a decision to never go down that rabbit hole. so i always figured if i'm not gonna measure out why should i measure in!!!! hahaha

for the record i never really stopped watering the soil plants with my rain water. i don't think there was anything ever wrong with it other than some algae.

same barrel of water, same exact soil as last grow, same everything, well i killed the algae that was it.. no problems...

 

[Stoneyluv]

i threw in an ice pack and gave em fuzzy pink turtle necks!!! hahaha i'll see if this does anything at all. my basement floor is 70° right now, it's never been this warm that i can ever remember, i mean it's almost midnight here and it's still almost 80° outside!!!!



whatever mother nature is baking in her oven, she need to shut if off, that shit is done!!!! fuck!!!

 

[Bandit420]

i knew you of all people knew what it was!!



correct, the first thing i add to my plain water is Ph up or buffer solution, a bunch of it. immediately followed by ph down. it was first explained to me as if up is A and down is B and you add A+B the water stabilizes for that short few days. but if you add AAAAAAAAAA + BBBBBBBBBB then it lasts longer. so this is the way i approach it. my water starts out around 6ph add 2ml per gallon and then it shoots it up to about 10. if there are any micro nutrients in the water at this time they will separate from the water and never mix properly again. so this is why i start with AAAA + BBBB and then once under ph 7.0 i then start adding other nutrients to the water and continue to lower to 5.8 once the plants are happy they help keep the ph in check for themselves. the plants help buffer themselves to an extent. if the solution and plants are happy it can go for months and never drift one way or the other. i call this the sweet spot!!!!

soil ph checks? hahah never... not once... always read horror stories of growers chasing runoff numbers and made a decision to never go down that rabbit hole. so i always figured if i'm not gonna measure out why should i measure in!!!! hahaha

for the record i never really stopped watering the soil plants with my rain water. i don't think there was anything ever wrong with it other than some algae.

same barrel of water, same exact soil as last grow, same everything, well i killed the algae that was it.. no problems...

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Wow that's wild man! I've never heard of using adjusters like that. Nutes I've used always added the nutes first then use an adjuster to go up or down.
But yeah I was wondering if you did anything to your rain collector or your soil grow water with that gadget.
I have to adjust mine down but I don't spike it back and forth like what you were saying. I just added down and with Foop pH down it held steady but with the Safer brand it drifts up. I can't get the Foop anymore so I got Humboldt Secret which is phosphoric acid.
I think the Safer just breaks down, since it's citric acid & molasses based, before I can totally empty the barrel so the water drifts back up in the meantime. Not back up to 10.0 but up to around 8 before I bring it back down to 6.5-7.
I've had "pH controller doser" on ebay search alert for a few months and finally got a hit worth pursuing. It will be here Saturday so kinda hoping it might be able to take over the whole keeping pH in line job for me

 

[Zen_seeker]

forgot to post an update on these... soo... i killed the right boob... fafo with these new lecca balls..

so all i really had in already established plants were there two goofballs... so in they went..
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that was about a week ago and now they look like this..

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i'm having an issue but it doesn't look like my problem did before so i'm not getting to worried just yet, my rez temp is higher than i even want to type out loud!!

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so they look sad but not the same sad as before, i want to continue on and see what happens yet.

What’s the white drywall plug for?

 

[Zen_seeker]

What are those little spiral jobbers at the bottom of your netpots?

I asked the same thing reading the last page. Looks like drywall plugs to hang heavy objects.

 

[Zen_seeker]

i like em too!!! even if the plants don't look good they make me smile anyway!! hahaha

i just monitor ATM... been trying to make it a doser too but struggle on the code. maybe if Moe comes back he'll help me get it finished.

but thus far i haven't had to adjust the ph, it's been pretty steady eddie!!



those are my water spinners. they make the water spin in a circle in the round bucket and it helps remove co2 from the root zone.

nah, i'm fuckin with ya!!!! hahahahahaha

it's just a plastic screw from an airpot. the center hole in those netcups are larger than those little lecca balls so i needed something to block the hole and the screws were laying right there within eye sight on my garden cart so i was like bingo! hahaha

are ya gonna make me say it, i was high!!! hahahaha

My dad calls that Farmer smarts. You use what you have at hand.

 

[GrumpAzz]

What’s the white drywall plug for?

I thought the same thing

Why'd he throw a Nader in there..?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Wow that's wild man! I've never heard of using adjusters like that. Nutes I've used always added the nutes first then use an adjuster to go up or down.
But yeah I was wondering if you did anything to your rain collector or your soil grow water with that gadget.
I have to adjust mine down but I don't spike it back and forth like what you were saying. I just added down and with Foop pH down it held steady but with the Safer brand it drifts up. I can't get the Foop anymore so I got Humboldt Secret which is phosphoric acid.
I think the Safer just breaks down, since it's citric acid & molasses based, before I can totally empty the barrel so the water drifts back up in the meantime. Not back up to 10.0 but up to around 8 before I bring it back down to 6.5-7.
I've had "pH controller doser" on ebay search alert for a few months and finally got a hit worth pursuing. It will be here Saturday so kinda hoping it might be able to take over the whole keeping pH in line job for me

multiple types of ups or buffers combined will always function better than any one alone.
it's why when i was using the agsil16 buffer (potassium silicate) i also still added the ph up (phosphoric acid) to team up together.

and the GH up i'm using right now is also phosphoric acid. without a buffer my solution drifts up about .2 per day.

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a doser can be a plants best friend man!!! if the probe is accurate the rest is pretty straight forward.

I asked the same thing reading the last page. Looks like drywall plugs to hang heavy objects.

got some of those too!!!! hahaha

I thought the same thing

Why'd he throw a Nader in there..?

a Nader?!?!?! i never heard them called that before. i'm boring, i just call them drywall anchors. Zen called it a plug...

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so the pink insulation actually made a difference. it dropped four degrees and with a slight weather break outside i might be okay here. if i can overcome my burning issue i will invest some time into a proper insulation job and make it much better. again this was another airpot screw situation. i was walking back upstirs and the insulation caught my eye all folded up in the corner ready to use!!! haha and it's held on to the buckets with my stretchy trellis net!!!!! hahahaha not joking it is...

the plants still aren't happy but i'm not sure if it could be maybe the heat or maybe just the shock of going from soil to hydro. the issues on these just look different from the issue i was having... i don't know, i'm still gonna stay in holding pattern for now!





and this one here is a straight up mutant so who knows....



i plan to take two extra plants from the dark side that i don't have room for after an upcan. so i plan to put these two in the hydro system in the next couple weeks...



plan B would be that next week is the pocono's ganja fest again and we already got tickets so i could always buy two clones and bring bugs back in!!!! honestly i'm stupid enough to do it!!! good thing i already have these two matching plants already established with no future home.

i was watching SSHZ growing some honey fried bananas and he didn't top his plants at all and they all grew naturally bushy so they might end up being a good match for scrog'in!!!!

i'll probably need to adjust my nutrient ratio though. right now i'm equal amounts of trio set up for seedling/clone on the feed chart. i would imagine i should try to match a two or three week plant ratio. maybe just add more of the green stuff.. idk, it's something i'll need to look into over the next week or so. even the goofballs i have in now could probably use a different ratio as well... maybe an opportunity to test.. hmm...

have a great weekend everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GrumpAzz]

a Nader?!?!?! i never heard them called that before. i'm boring, i just call them drywall anchors. Zen called it a plug...

Ha yeah. Here in Kansas, we take every chance we get to reference something based on Tornados. I'll say Naders if we're being funny, or zip-its if I'm trying to sound cool. Zip it right to the wall.. get it?

 

[Bandit420]

multiple types of ups or buffers combined will always function better than any one alone.
it's why when i was using the agsil16 buffer (potassium silicate) i also still added the ph up (phosphoric acid) to team up together.

and the GH up i'm using right now is also phosphoric acid. without a buffer my solution drifts up about .2 per day.

I'd be nervous about making a concoction toxic to plants using adjusters together like that. I've killed so many plants with adjusters so it makes me cautious using them.
I dumped a barrel yesterday tuning my doser. Started at 9.0 but overdosed down to 3.9. The amount of adjuster needed to bring it back up woulda made a barrel of plant killer water so I dumped it and started over. I just don't trust up and down in the water together. They'll cancel each other out on the pH meter but concentrate in the rez pretty much making a seawater or a saline type deal toxic to plants.
I think your GH Up is actually potassium carbonate and your down is the phosphoric acid. Both can be good for plants but in small doses.
Too much of the acid even when the meter is correct on the pH can produce a micro nute lockout as well so this is where you get the questions about why is a plant dying when the meter says everything is good sorta deal. Good chance too much down was used chasing the pH.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Ha yeah. Here in Kansas, we take every chance we get to reference something based on Tornados. I'll say Naders if we're being funny, or zip-its if I'm trying to sound cool. Zip it right to the wall.. get it?

I’m not sure if everyone calls them plugs or because it was the brand we usually got when we ordered for job sites?


Different box but RawlPlug or drywall plug is what we called them at work in the 80’s/90’s.

Come to think of it I finally had to start buying my own. My case from back then ran out only a couple years ago.

 

[GrumpAzz]

This is what I saw, @Zen_seeker..


Mostly called zip-its around here. No drill bit required just zipt it to the wall.

 

[Zen_seeker]

This is what I saw, @Zen_seeker..
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Mostly called zip-its around here. No drill bit required just zipt it to the wall.

Yep, they are the newest ones I’m familiar with. Only good for drywall. Can be installed with just a Phillips screwdriver.

The metal types I/we just call anchors, some have strange nicknames like lazy Susan’s.

 

[GrumpAzz]

The metal types I/we just call anchors, some have strange nicknames like lazy Susan’s.

Yeah same. They're anchors unless you're talking to some old head that calls 'em blues and screws.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Ha yeah. Here in Kansas, we take every chance we get to reference something based on Tornados. I'll say Naders if we're being funny, or zip-its if I'm trying to sound cool. Zip it right to the wall.. get it?

they do work slick in thin drywall... but man if you try to use those things on 1" drywall they should call them snap-it's!!!! hahahaha

i normally just punch the broken fucker through the wall and zip another one in in the same now bigger hole!!! you can get pretty abusive with those things!!

I'd be nervous about making a concoction toxic to plants using adjusters together like that. I've killed so many plants with adjusters so it makes me cautious using them.
I dumped a barrel yesterday tuning my doser. Started at 9.0 but overdosed down to 3.9. The amount of adjuster needed to bring it back up woulda made a barrel of plant killer water so I dumped it and started over. I just don't trust up and down in the water together. They'll cancel each other out on the pH meter but concentrate in the rez pretty much making a seawater or a saline type deal toxic to plants.
I think your GH Up is actually potassium carbonate and your down is the phosphoric acid. Both can be good for plants but in small doses.
Too much of the acid even when the meter is correct on the pH can produce a micro nute lockout as well so this is where you get the questions about why is a plant dying when the meter says everything is good sorta deal. Good chance too much down was used chasing the pH.

i was a little nervous but after the one round when my bubbles were off and the ph was diving everyday i was adding so much ph up to it and thought i was close to poison, turns out after doing the actual math i wasn't even half way to poisonings. it takes pretty much..

one thing a couple people told me to was to dilute the up and down to prevent over correcting. that might be something you could try.

I’m not sure if everyone calls them plugs or because it was the brand we usually got when we ordered for job sites?
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Different box but RawlPlug or drywall plug is what we called them at work in the 80’s/90’s.

Come to think of it I finally had to start buying my own. My case from back then ran out only a couple years ago.

i can't stand those little ones like that, they're okay to hold a couple ounces on but i don't trust those things!!

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so this is the time when things are burning away and starting to lose hope... the dreaded three week mark... they don't seem to look much worse than before, still in holding pattern and hoping for the best!







ph is still solid and temps are high but not the end of the world..



i added some extra nutes and brought the ppms up a bit...



the replacements are still growing and i just wan to wait a little longer before i try.

 

[Stoneyluv]

about a week later and i'm still in holding pattern.. plants don't look great, i think there is a chance it's because of different reasons so i want to continue.

the grow conditions are terrible right now. it's so hot and i was busy and didn't get to do anything about it and kinda just realized today that the temps have been in the mid 90's and my water temp is back up in the danger zone again.. been there all week so no reason to panic now, temps are gonna cool off tomorrow night and i should be able to get a handle on the temps but for now it's a hot mess!!!!!

i'm not gonna drive myself crazy and say hmmm maybe the burning is different this time.. wtf a leaf burn is a leaf burn to some extent.. but the tips seem to be curling up and before they didn't do that.. i also still see some new growth, not much but a little..

the only thing that has been good is the ph.. vpd is out of control right now bouncing off the rev limiter!!




i think bennies and enzymes are the only thing from keeping my roots from going mush.. we'll see what happens if i can get my temps back in check..



the honey fried bananas are fine where they're at for now so hopefully i can get an answer here soon... I don't wanna rush these nice plants in the system just to have them look like the ones in it now in a week so i'll roll this test out a little longer and see if anything improves.

my gut is telling me these issues aren't the same one as i've been dealing with.. IDK, polly just wishful thinking!..



keep cool everybody, stay in the shade!!

 

[Zen_seeker]

I just don’t get it, what’s left to check?

 

[Stoneyluv]

I just don’t get it, what’s left to check?

well i haven't tried tannerite yet... haha.. but in all seriousness the temps are now in check and i'm going to let it ride through the weekend and if the temps continue to be good and the plants don't then i think i might take the system out and ty two brand new buckets just as dwc bubble buckets and not recirc. this takes my system out of the equation.

i'm already invested in nutes and other hardware to grow hydro and i really like it and want to continue. it just to keep my sanity i'm not sure which direction to continue in just yet.

i cut most of the burnt away and we'll see how they look in a couple days...

 

[Stoneyluv]

so i notice some new growth today, temps have been really good for two or three days now. i also just noticed the rez level going down, first time since i put them in so i guess thats a good sign. weird thing though the ph started diving down again. this seems to be a pattern. it's steady for a few weeks and then starts diving. been adding 2-5ml of up per day now for the past three days

if they can make it through the week and not get any worse i think i'll put the two honey fried bananas in. they're just gonna die but what else am i going to do with them. they're growth rate is too slow for me to wanna make moms out of and it's too late in the year to put them outside so i'll put them in the DIY plant killer 2000...

it's just funky to me on how some leaves look nice and others look bad.. i mean how is half a plant okay?? this is gonna be the death of me and i don't think i'll ever figure this out.








all four of these plants were all started within a week of each other.. i'm the only person i know that can grow soil plants five times faster than hydro plants! hydro is sooooo slow!!!! hahaha

 

[Stoneyluv]

ya know maybe i'm being to rough on this... i went back and looked and less than three weeks ago it looked like this:

and now like this..



the left one was pretty sick when it first went in so it makes sense it took a bit to get going. and the one on the right was a straight up mutant.... maybe i just need more patience with this test.

 

[ninjadip]

Wow that's wild man! I've never heard of using adjusters like that. Nutes I've used always added the nutes first then use an adjuster to go up or down.
But yeah I was wondering if you did anything to your rain collector or your soil grow water with that gadget.
I have to adjust mine down but I don't spike it back and forth like what you were saying. I just added down and with Foop pH down it held steady but with the Safer brand it drifts up. I can't get the Foop anymore so I got Humboldt Secret which is phosphoric acid.
I think the Safer just breaks down, since it's citric acid & molasses based, before I can totally empty the barrel so the water drifts back up in the meantime. Not back up to 10.0 but up to around 8 before I bring it back down to 6.5-7.
I've had "pH controller doser" on ebay search alert for a few months and finally got a hit worth pursuing. It will be here Saturday so kinda hoping it might be able to take over the whole keeping pH in line job for me

If you have one, i have found it very beneficial to put the ph doser on a timer. I have mine on a 1/2 second on then 15 minutes off. This gives the system time to work it through and if more if needed then it will come. This really helped me from overdosing, even with diluted ph down. Just a recommendation. Better to get to the right ph slowly then have to correct it later with ph up.

You say the ph is dropping though? Hm, usually that means time for a res change right or what do you think, a slow drift up is a good sign ive always believed


You aren't the only one with hydro problems, i have a friend who does ok outside but struggles inside using the 4 waterfall ponic system i gave him that worked great for me. These are looking ok though right? Look ok to me besides a few leaves, I'm no expert though so I'll shut up lol

 

[GrumpAzz]

DIY plant killer 2000...

Haha this killed me... sorry man.

I recently found out the symptoms of bleach burn. Like I'll ever need to know that again, but hey!

 

[Stoneyluv]

f you have one, i have found it very beneficial to put the ph doser on a timer. I have mine on a 1/2 second on then 15 minutes off. This gives the system time to work it through and if more if needed then it will come. This really helped me from overdosing, even with diluted ph down. Just a recommendation. Better to get to the right ph slowly then have to correct it later with ph up.

i never got it to work, i struggled with the code and haven't had the time to dive back into it yet. maybe i'll bug Moe one day and see if he can help me. also been thinking of maybe picking up one of the ones on ebay, Bandit mentioned the seller had a couple left. idk really wanted to try and make it myself out pf pride.. one day i'll try again on the code.

You say the ph is dropping though? Hm, usually that means time for a res change right or what do you think, a slow drift up is a good sign ive always believed

is that the rule? see this is the stuff i don't know about hydro yet... i only know how to start out the seedlings and then failed by week three so i never got this far into it yet. in fact this is the first solution i've made with the trio that wasn't equal parts!!! haha

i have a top off barrel filled with fresh stuff so i could try a change out... i never thought about maybe they used up some of the good stuff by now. i'm only at 320ppm total. maybe it would be a good idea to measure it and see if that changed.

You aren't the only one with hydro problems, i have a friend who does ok outside but struggles inside using the 4 waterfall ponic system i gave him that worked great for me. These are looking ok though right? Look ok to me besides a few leaves, I'm no expert though so I'll shut up lol

i will say these are the best any of them have grown thus far.... i think maybe my issue was one of the four things and maybe the only real way of knowing is starting with new seedlings. but with these two plants already growing equal size and no home i just gotta roll with them.

it's why i posted again saying maybe i'm being too critical as these are the best so far in like almost a year! maybe what i'm seeing is just plain ol noob hydro issues and i should consider this now my learning time to figure this out. i mean i'm comfortable from day one to like day 14 but after that i'm kinda new to it and never used these nutes before at all. and when i grew with the nova last year wit the autos it was so long ago now i don't even remember half of it anymore. since then it's been start seeds for two weeks then start over.. i did that five or six times. now i'm trying to just skip the first few weeks and dive in on older plants!!! i'm all over the place man!!! hahaha

Haha this killed me... sorry man.

I recently found out the symptoms of bleach burn. Like I'll ever need to know that again, but hey!

i just read about that tonight... crazy right?!? it was eye opening to me thats for sure!!!

so i assume you're going to grow that plant out in your system until you have four healthy clones ready to go in. then what do you plan to do with that original plant?

 

[ninjadip]

Yes for me once i see the ph drop instead of to up i change the res. I bought a digital timer to do the slow release, no code. Sucks can't get the pro stuff from moe to work, maybe he can help out.

I still use this $50 ph controller, $20 diy doser from eBay, and then the timer. Only thing to replace is the ph probe every two years it seems for me.

When the plants are young i go two weeks before a res change, once they start moving i like to do every week, but that is mainly due to my small system volume. I have a topoff with nutes, but it's crazy to think that plants are using everything in the same ratio I'm giving them, so over time it's likely a buildup of something is going to happen that eventually the plants get fussy about.

I struggled with weird decencies when using tap water, but now since rodi water it's been a breeze. And I've never had better roots. For me i have too high temps to not use a chiller, cold water is more oxygen saturated capable and discourages bad stuff for root health, it's a win win all around. For me i think about dirt grows how the earth is colder than the air above, maybe plants like this for all grow types, just me thinking no science lol

How those roots look again? What beneficials r u using? All of us combined should be able to get you straight

I got a good one on AliExpress for around 100 i think.

But I'm not trying to send you farther down the rabbit hole so i should stop lol

 

[GrumpAzz]

so i assume you're going to grow that plant out in your system until you have four healthy clones ready to go in. then what do you plan to do with that original plant?

Well....

since rodi water it's been a breeze.

I'm so glad I started with RODI. I just felt from the beginning that I'd like to know exactly what's in the water.

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The way I understand it, whether correct or not, is that if the pH is going down, They're drinking more than they're eating which could mean a couple things... the ratios are off so they aren't uptaking water and food at equal parts OR they've simply slowed their eating because they're close to being done.

My reasoning is my own. When I mix a batch of nutes, everything I add to the res brings down the ph a little. So to me, as they drink more than eat, the concentration of your mix goes up which in turn brings down the pH.

So far, with these Athena nutes, my pH has stayed damn stable so I've been watching my ppm. When the ppm goes up, they're not eating, so I'll mix a lighter batch or dilute with RO.

I agree with Ninja... when the plants are young, I go weeks without a res change, normally only doing a change to up the ppm or to reset to proper ratios. As they grow, they drink my top-off before any significant changes happen in the plant sites.

That's basically my rules of thumb. Res change or dilute when they've slowed their eating OR res change when the top-off res has replenished the whole system volume; roughly 35 gallons for me.

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Did you ever get that bottle of Balance?

 

[Zen_seeker]

so i notice some new growth today, temps have been really good for two or three days now. i also just noticed the rez level going down, first time since i put them in so i guess thats a good sign. weird thing though the ph started diving down again. this seems to be a pattern. it's steady for a few weeks and then starts diving. been adding 2-5ml of up per day now for the past three days

if they can make it through the week and not get any worse i think i'll put the two honey fried bananas in. they're just gonna die but what else am i going to do with them. they're growth rate is too slow for me to wanna make moms out of and it's too late in the year to put them outside so i'll put them in the DIY plant killer 2000...

it's just funky to me on how some leaves look nice and others look bad.. i mean how is half a plant okay?? this is gonna be the death of me and i don't think i'll ever figure this out.

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all four of these plants were all started within a week of each other.. i'm the only person i know that can grow soil plants five times faster than hydro plants! hydro is sooooo slow!!!! hahaha

Looks like all the discoloured leaves on the right are from the bottom. Just sitting up high.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Yes for me once i see the ph drop instead of to up i change the res

yea, ya know i've been so concentrated on just watching the plants i never thought about the time or length the solution has been at it, but it's been over five weeks now. so maybe its time..

bought a digital timer to do the slow release, no code. Sucks can't get the pro stuff from moe to work, maybe he can help out.

he could, i still wanna try on my own yet, i was thinking the other day and an idea came to me that i'd like to try again. just need three or four hours of undisrupted time to work on it. once i get my head wrapped around it i need to keep going because it takes me a bit to get in the right mindset. ph dosing isn't popular in the code world but i was thinking maybe heating and AC is.. i bet i could manipulate a code for that to work.

I still use this $50 ph controller, $20 diy doser from eBay, and then the timer. Only thing to replace is the ph probe every two years it seems for me.

thats the cheapest setup i've heard about so you got a winner for sure!!!

When the plants are young i go two weeks before a res change, once they start moving i like to do every week, but that is mainly due to my small system volume. I have a topoff with nutes, but it's crazy to think that plants are using everything in the same ratio I'm giving them, so over time it's likely a buildup of something is going to happen that eventually the plants get fussy about.

that makes sense man, thanks for the info. i think i let time slip away from me and i checked and my EC is now higher than what i had it at so i all the charts say to change out to a lower EC. i'll probably just top off with water as a test. when i put these other plants in i planned to mix a new batch and do a full clean/changeout and treat it as a new grow.

I struggled with weird decencies when using tap water, but now since rodi water it's been a breeze. And I've never had better roots. For me i have too high temps to not use a chiller, cold water is more oxygen saturated capable and discourages bad stuff for root health, it's a win win all around. For me i think about dirt grows how the earth is colder than the air above, maybe plants like this for all grow types, just me thinking no science lol

my water starts at 0ppm and i went with equal amounts of tri and then a couple weeks later i topped off with a different ratio. i understand in a real world i should have done a changeout to achieve this but honestly when i started this test i didn't have any hope at all because nothing this far has worked. now that i'm seeing some improvement i need to get serious and start keeping better hydro practice.

How those roots look again? What beneficials r u using? All of us combined should be able to get you straight

i'm using orca and enzymes. i want to add rapid start but wanted to make sure this was for real and didn't want to waste it on these plants. but i plan to use it when i do the changeout.

i'm not entirely 100% sure as to what i need to look for as far as roots but they're not slimy at all and they smell good...

I got a good one on AliExpress for around 100 i think.

But I'm not trying to send you farther down the rabbit hole so i should stop lol

hahaha i already have one in a cart!!! haha holding off for now, i think i have temps in check and it looks like our heat wave is over.. water temps have been 70-71 for the past four days now.

but i might need to d some shopping because thats half of what i was gonna pay, and for the same size unit too!!!!!! i'll need one by june of next year.

I'm so glad I started with RODI. I just felt from the beginning that I'd like to know exactly what's in the water.

i understand what you're saying... everybody has also told me this.,,, i'm stubborn and thick headed!!!

i'm prepping for it though man.. i have some plumbing parts arriving tomorrow that i will be able to have a tap just above my rez and will mount a filter on the wall. i'll think about one of those booster pumps if i need to.

it's just put yourself in my shoes.. been a over a year of this money pit hydro and i still haven't gotten any smoke from it! not many people would keep dumping money into it... but i'm stupid with my finances anyway so why not??

My reasoning is my own. When I mix a batch of nutes, everything I add to the res brings down the ph a little. So to me, as they drink more than eat, the concentration of your mix goes up which in turn brings down the pH.

when i used the nova it was exactly like this... but this trio doesn't change it at all throughout the mixing. but honestly i don't have nearly enough experience with it to say anything. been stuck at the germination to two week mark aver and over and this is the first time i even got five weeks without killing a plant. i tried it once and hen focused on the water and went through hoops with that till now.

So far, with these Athena nutes, my pH has stayed damn stable so I've been watching my ppm. When the ppm goes up, they're not eating, so I'll mix a lighter batch or dilute with RO.

yea ya know i kinda fucked up slacked on that.. i was working overtime and didn't get to do anything except peek in and snip off a dead leaf or two. so my ppms went up over the past week. so i think when i increased the ppm for the hell of it i maybe shouldn't have done that.

once i get this plumbing line run tomorrow i will drain some out and add clean water in to dilute it a bit. it's gone up 30ppms since i put it in.

I agree with Ninja... when the plants are young, I go weeks without a res change, normally only doing a change to up the ppm or to reset to proper ratios. As they grow, they drink my top-off before any significant changes happen in the plant sites.

That's basically my rules of thumb. Res change or dilute when they've slowed their eating OR res change when the top-off res has replenished the whole system volume; roughly 35 gallons for me.

sounds like i maybe i was stretching it too thin and need to do a change out. like i said i planned to anyway when i put the new plants in.

Did you ever get that bottle of Balance?

yes sir, i'm currently using it as a door stop... do you think i should give it a try for the new plants (say yes)

Looks like all the discoloured leaves on the right are from the bottom. Just sitting up high.

it's so weird it;s like it's only on the tird set... been like this the whole time. it seems to be less this time but not completely gone..

third node leaves ever time...



i feel like it's better but not completely gone... and every node below the current third never grows anymore. just dies off and stays stunted. new growth pops out and the new third set burns.. over and over and over and over to this day!!!! sorry just frustrating with the amount of money i've dumped into this so far... and every singe time a new problem comes up it;s another $300 to fix it... it's like a fuckin boat!!! Break Out Another Thousand...