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smoke said:
Hey @SweetLeafGrow , those float rings you have on your probes are they something available or did you make them. Im having different readings from different monitors with what my different blue lab monitors and im woundering if its because i just throw them in the tote.
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Those floaters came with the probes and are just some basic foam. I am sure you could make these if you found some of that material, maybe something like this-

 
I have noticed that even with the floaters, if I put the probes over the air stones, the readings are all over the place. I usually push them to the other side where the water is more calm and the readings stabilize then. May be something like that going on with your probes?
 
SweetLeafGrow said:
I have noticed that even with the floaters, if I put the probes over the air stones, the readings are all over the place. I usually push them to the other side where the water is more calm and the readings stabilize then. May be something like that going on with your probes?
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I have no air stones in the epicenter where the... sheit, there is a air stone in the veg room epi center but there isn't in flower room.(senior moment). Still dosen't make sense because the auto doser probes and monitor probes are together in the epi.

Picture to show what im seeing. Auto doser bottom left was set at 5.5 and was new last year in veg room, reader far right was in room with auto doser. See the difference and monitor on right has new probe.

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Stay tuned.
How would one know if you only have one monitor?
 
Cool_Beans said:
@smoke I found the suction cup mounts for aquarium heaters work well for securing my probe and other submerged stuff. I bought a bunch I can send you some if you want to try.
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Hey thanks for the offer, the probes come with these wimpy suction cups that don't stay. I think its the film that causes them come lose. Maybe if you have something different/bigger It may work

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Here's what I have. I've had no issues w them staying put even on my round buckets. Happy to mail some or get you a link if you think they might be of use.
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This post is for you @steamroller đź‘Š

Not a lot to report but wanted to get new photos posted. I'm going to try to scrog these gals @CannaGranny style so my thoughts are at this point to let them go a bit wild for the next few days, then perhaps on Saturday when I get back home, install a scrog and push everything under, then flip to flower.

Everything is the res has been great, running low ppms which have been stable, pH slight rise, almost perfect, roots look fantastic. I've bumped the light up to 30%, keeping it low but still about 12" above the canopy.IMG_3115.jpegIMG_3116.jpegIMG_3117.jpegIMG_3118.jpegIMG_3119.jpegIMG_3120.jpegIMG_3121.jpeg
 
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I might have to wait until Monday to flip. Checked tracking on the new trellis material I bought and it won't be here till Monday, on the slow boat from China apparently.
 
SweetLeafGrow said:
I'm stoked for you bro, congrats on getting this far!
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Thanks man. It's been a lot of fun and hydro was the right choice for me.

I know I gained a lot of info from one of your diaries at the farm. You and Ninja for sure had a ton of info within your threads. Then this place and it's staff has been extremely helpful once I got going. I see big buds in the future.

Good luck with your flowering my man. I'll be following along closely.
 
Got my roll of plastic net trellis coming tomorrow and thinking it's time to CannaGranny these girls and hoping to get some tips from the master, @CannaGranny through this process.

I think these gals are looking fantastic, got a nice canopy going on and my thoughts are to install that SCROG sometime within the next few days and flip to flower. So I want to install that thing and then push everything down and then just let the branches come through where they want? Is that the idea? Or perhaps I let them go longer and then do this action?



I've always just used these trellis's for support so looking forward to learning this new skill, thinking there may be a great harvest coming soon, the best I've ever had is my hopes!IMG_3139.jpegIMG_3140.jpeg
 
Let’s start with, beautiful plants! 🥰
Im a bit worried that there is no room left for a horizontal stretch. My canopy almost doubles in size width wise.
As you place your net, the idea is to lay the limbs horizontally below your scrog top. Making that easier to picture, if your plant is 16 inches tall, your net should be 12 inches tall with a minimum of four inches of limb to lay beneath the scrog top. I push mine by allowing at times my limbs to become nine or so inches taller than my table. Four is a minimum.
The day I top, meaning add my net screen whatever one uses on the table, I lollypop and go straight to flower.
Consistently the scrog method triples my cola amount. But, you have to have room for that to happen. I’m not seeing that here. Half of the plants you have there, maybe less scrogged properly will more than fill your table. Truthfully two would and still be pushing it.
That’s what hooked me on the scrog method. Much more flower with less plants.
This will be thick, fighting for light and hard to move air through. Look at every node on the limb you have turned up beneath the top and realize every node will stretch and become a bud.
That is my only concerns about this grow. What say you?
 
Thanks CG for such a detailed answer. It looks as though I might have to try this next go around, perhaps in a single site system to get a better feel for the sequence of events, which I have way out of order again! This does make sense and I just need to start thinking a bit differently in the early stages of veg. I am getting the horizontal training, just doing it with tie wires to get me where I am now, that was the way I learned and seems I am trying to combine two different methods.

Do you do any of that LST training prior to doing the scrog? Topping too?

If I am hearing you correctly, I want smaller plants, flipped sooner to master this technique?

By "table" I am assuming you mean the scrog itself? Do you install this early and let the plant grow through it, then pull the branches under when you are ready to perform this action? Or let them grow, install the scrog, and then push that down and bring everything horizontal down underneath the scrog?

I think at this stage in this grow I forget the scrog thing and just trellis what I have here, thinking it will still fill the tent and get a good amount of bud sites, go back to what I know and am familiar with until next time.
 
SweetLeafGrow said:
Thanks CG for such a detailed answer. It looks as though I might have to try this next go around, perhaps in a single site system to get a better feel for the sequence of events, which I have way out of order again! This does make sense and I just need to start thinking a bit differently in the early stages of veg. I am getting the horizontal training, just doing it with tie wires to get me where I am now, that was the way I learned and seems I am trying to combine two different methods.
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Yes, pretty much so, as the scrog top does all of that for you. It is best to start with an untrained plant. We want that height so the table will lay or push it down horizontally when placed on top of the plants.

SweetLeafGrow said:
Do you do any of that LST training prior to doing the scrog? Topping too?
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No, it’s not necessary to lst prior placing the scrog top. I do top, twice. Once at node four and then again at node two on the new growth. I fim about a week prior to putting the scrog top on.
SweetLeafGrow said:
If I am hearing you correctly, I want smaller plants, flipped sooner to master this technique?
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Not so much smaller plants, just be aware of your space limitations. Actually, less plants. Three under a scrog in my five by five is really pushing it.
SweetLeafGrow said:
By "table" I am assuming you mean the scrog itself? Do you install this early and let the plant grow through it, then pull the branches under when you are ready to perform this action? Or let them grow, install the scrog, and then push that down and bring everything horizontal down underneath the scrog?
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Yes, I forget that not everyone actually has a table. My scrog top is on a pvc frame that stands above my plants. My plants never see the table until the day I flip to flower. The second part of your statement is dead on. Install the scrog, and gently push the limbs below the table.

SweetLeafGrow said:
I think at this stage in this grow I forget the scrog thing and just trellis what I have here, thinking it will still fill the tent and get a good amount of bud sites, go back to what I know and am familiar with until next time.
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Yes if you scrog what you have there, my greatest concern is the lack of room to stretch. I’ve no doubt you will fill the tent!
If you go look at my scrog posts, you will see I had noooo problem filling a four by four with one plant. Just one. If that gives you idea of what you are capable of using this method.
How many plants do you have in there and what is the size of your tent?
On the next grow, hit me up as soon as you get ready to do the first topping at node four and we will go step by step through the process together. Properly prepping your plant for the scrog is half of the battle.
Round one of my one plant four by four yielded 12 zip, and round two, 15. So, it best be something you really like because there will be ALOT of it!
Just hit me up, when you’re ready!

Thanks @GrumpAzz for sending Sweet to my files. 🥰
 
CannaGranny said:
Yes if you scrog what you have there, my greatest concern is the lack of room to stretch. I’ve no doubt you will fill the tent!
If you go look at my scrog posts, you will see I had noooo problem filling a four by four with one plant. Just one. If that gives you idea of what you are capable of using this method.

Thanks @GrumpAzz for sending Sweet to my files. 🥰
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Here's my one plant in a 5x5 with a 3x3 screen. I just flipped today and expect to see my screen filled after stretch. Granted, I didn't give it the CG smash, but it's taking up more than a 2x2 space on it's own, before the stretch.
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Looking beautiful! She will without a doubt fill your screen. I see you have been pushing her under the top and stretching her out. Great job! I’m lazy, I let the table do all of that 🙂
 
GrumpAzz said:
Yeah I'm seeing how, if I were to expand, it would consume way too much time going this route.
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From the time I pop seed, I’m just waiting til I can top twice and fim and it’s off to the races. I don’t spend time prefilling the table, doing lst or otherwise. My whole goal is to get those ladies at least four inches taller than my table and then it’s on!
 
CannaGranny said:
From the time I pop seed, I’m just waiting til I can top twice and fim and it’s off to the races. I don’t spend time prefilling the table, doing lst or otherwise. My whole goal is to get those ladies at least four inches taller than my table and then it’s on!
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More I work w plants under a trellis, the more I understand the wisdom in this.
 
My trellis was a week late getting in but I was finally able to get it installed, not a huge deal. They seem to be starting the stretch and I'm letting them grow into this one, may have to install another layer later, we'll see. This strain does stretch a bit but I am in the taller tent so good on that. Bumped the light up to 50% about a foot above the canopy. Still feeding around 600 after the res change and adjustments. PH has been trending down but hoping it stabilizes soon.

Will evaluate more when the @MrsSweetLeaf and I get back from celebrating our anniversary!

Also did some pretty aggressive defoliation getting rid of a lot of fans and branches. Two clones for @GoodShit97 are almost ready to go out, took them the day I flipped to 12/12.

Here is a before and some afters.

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On my last update from Saturday, these gals were not showing blossoms yet, two days makes a big difference!

They've been drinking 4 gallons a day and topping off daily keeping ppms at 500. I've been keeping things thinned out and taking the lower branching that will not reach the canopy. Been bumping the light up bit by bit, sitting at 75% and raised it up some. PPFD @ 650-700. I also bumped the far red up tp 100%. I'm wanting to be careful doing this as the last time I did this it ruined the whole grow, or at least substantially hurt my harvest. I think I have them fed well enough to push them with the light so gonna see how that goes.

Hey @Moe.Red, do you think I can push them harder with the light at this point? The other plant, same strain, in the other grow is taking 1100+ PPFD atm when I just checked everything with the PPFD meter. Seems to be handling it but not sure if it's stressing the plant out or not. I do not see any signs other than some twisty sugars. Curious what your thoughts are bro.

If you think it's a good idea I can raise the PPFD in this 4 site system and/or lower the light. I have it sitting a foot or so over the canopy. I also wonder if it's a good idea to dial that light back in the other grow since PPFD is so high, but she does seem to be handling it so I am not sure what I should do with her in this instance.


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