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[Franksta]

The stinky in sulfur during flowering


thiol, also called mercaptan, any of a class of organic chemical compounds similar to the alcohols and phenols but containing a sulfur atom in place of the oxygen atom.

Prenylthiol or 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol is a chemical compound. It is one of a group of chemicals that give cannabis its characteristic "skunk-like" aroma.

Prenylthiol

Names
Identifiers
Properties
Hazards[1]
IUPAC name 3-methylbut-2-ene-1-thiol
Other names Prenyl mercaptan; 3-Methyl-2-butene-1-thiol; MBT; Prenylthiol; UNII-FDG262156U; 2-Butene-1-thiol, 3-methyl-
CAS Number	5287-45-6
3D model (JSmol)	Interactive image
ChEBI	CHEBI:169260
ChemSpider	129292
ECHA InfoCard	100.118.632
EC Number	610-907-9
PubChem CID	146586
UNII	FDG262156U
CompTox Dashboard (EPA)	DTXSID00200907
InChI InChI=1S/C5H10S/c1-5(2)3-4-6/h3,6H,4H2,1-2H3 Key: GYDPOKGOQFTYGW-UHFFFAOYSA-N
SMILES CC(=CCS)C
Chemical formula	C5H10S
Molar mass	102.2 g/mol
GHS labelling:
Pictograms

Cannabis sativa

• Allylic rearrangement​

• Isohumulone​

 

[Franksta]

Who Me was a top secret, sulfurous, non-lethal chemical weapon developed by the American Office of Strategic Services during World War II

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah I read the equation wrong at first also


It's not H202 up there. End product was 2H. Plus 2O.... And I don't think too much oxygen is ever a issue at the roots... Aqueous O2 saturation depends on the temperature and to lesser degrees atmospheric pressure

And the gas makup of the atmosphere

 

[Franksta]

And the gas makup of the atmosphere

Yeah I believe that (I) on the equation represents insoluble and is released as O2 and H2.... Because they are stable forms

atomic hydrogen and oxygen doesn't exist in the atmosphere. Far too reactive.

Both share it's electrons with itself....

 

[Franksta]

The presence of valence electrons can determine the element's chemical properties, such as its valence—whether it may bond with other elements and, if so, how readily and with how many.

In this way, a given element's reactivity is highly dependent upon its electronic configuration. For a main-group element, (oxygen) a valence electron can exist only in the outermost electron shell; (oxygen has a 2,8 shell) for a transition metal, a valence electron can also be in an inner shell.

 

[Franksta]

So I think whatever happens in cannabis during late flowers is that sulfur is combined into the Sweet... Sour... Umami... Bitter and each of those categories have whole spectrum of different variables.... So infinite possibilities....

Allowing to magnify and guide the process..

Cause sulfur likes to take the place of oxygen....

Specifically, Sulfur likes to take the position of oxygen in the hydroxyl unit of alcohol and highly relevant phenol groups


Phenol (systematically named Benzenol, also called carbolic acid or phenolic acid) is an aromatic organic compound with the molecular formula C6H5OH. It is a white crystalline solid that is volatile. The molecule consists of a phenyl group (−C6H5) bonded to a hydroxy group (−OH). Mildly acidic, it requires careful handling because it can cause chemical burns.
Other names

• Carbolic acid
• Phenolic acid
• Phenylic acid
• Hydroxybenzene
• Phenic acid
• Phenyl alcohol

 

[Franksta]

Biofractions... Anything a bee harvest off the plants I really trust in my solution just watching the sugar ratio and avoiding pH swings. Usually let it set some and add streptomyices yeast and probiotics


I think the waxes are really beneficial cause of the variety of carbon chains

I suspect the microbes and plants are able to benefit. The pure comb should have hormones present

I try to capitalize on certain microbiology and insects which are highly beneficial to the plants in multiple ways

 

[budsofmadison]

have you guys thought about have a bud builders weekly podcast ?

 

[LJFarming]

have you guys thought about have a bud builders weekly podcast ?

That is definitely a great idea and would raise more funds to support site development if done right!

 

[LJFarming]

Biofractions... Anything a bee harvest off the plants I really trust in my solution just watching the sugar ratio and avoiding pH swings. Usually let it set some and add streptomyices yeast and probiotics


I think the waxes are really beneficial cause of the variety of carbon chains

I suspect the microbes and plants are able to benefit. The pure comb should have hormones present

I try to capitalize on certain microbiology and insects which are highly beneficial to the plants in multiple ways


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Do you think bee pollen would benefit them as well?

 

[Franksta]

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Do you think bee pollen would benefit them as well?

I don't think bees take or refine anything harmful to the plants whatsoever


Certainly some stuff is better than the rest. Pollen is mostly carbohydrates and protein


I especially like the ideas of the short chain fatty acid and sucrose in the honeycomb. In addition to the hormones... Enzymes and phenols....


Honeycomb is interesting stuff but I also like things like pure tricontolol or using alfalfa as a tricontolol source material. Especially in an outdoor setting....

Alfalfa really can be a game changer IMO. Using a common pathway possibly.

I try to use all the advantages I can muster. Even if there's overlap sometimes

 

[LJFarming]

There's not a lot on it.

Few Chinese universities(?) Have studied it, maybe some American in the 1800s or so.

Not a lot of research on it, I've been all over it.

@Aqua Man , the main idea is supposedly using electricity to ""STIMULATE"" plants by "shocking" them, increasing ion/nutrient uptake(?)

Chinese researchers claim electroculture works as theorized

A team of researchers affiliated with multiple institutions in China reports that electroculture can increase agricultural yields. In their paper published in the journal Nature Food, the group describes growing peas using traditional methods while applying electric shocks to other pea crops.

phys.org

------and there's this ----

"""bare copper wires have been suspended three metres above ground level. The cables run the full length of the greenhouses and carry rapid pulses of positive charge, up to 50,000 volts. These high-voltage bursts kill bacteria and viral plant diseases both in the air and the soil. They also affect the surface tension of any water droplets on the leaves of plants, accelerating vaporization.""

""introduction of electricity into the plants’ immediate environment is also credited with helping assist the transportation of naturally charged particles, such as bicarbonate and calcium ions, within the plants.

It also seems to speed up metabolic activities like carbon dioxide absorption and photosynthesis""

China has made a shocking food production discovery – electro culture

Boosting yields without putting pressure on strained resources could help feed the planet’s growing population.

www.weforum.org

Electroculture Gardening

Electroculture gardening is a cutting-edge and fascinating method of plant cultivation that makes use of electrical currents to promote plant development and boost output. While being relatively new and little recognised, this method has recently become more well-liked among gardeners and...

altifarm.com

Again, you know the basics way more than I do, so I don't know how this builds off that.

IMO first red light in your post is Chinese anything! Sorry to get political boys and girls!

 

[LJFarming]

Athena I was right around 2.75 per light. And I am in Cali so I know what is quality.

Damnit I honestly was on the fence about Athena and JRCroptech and now I seriously question my decision not to go with Athena. As always with this hobby or profession try try again! Thank you Anthem now I’m gonna have to run Athena if JRCroptech doesn’t kill it within a run or 2. I would honestly recommend Jacks to anyone switching to hydro because it’s simple and easy to tweak. I just decided to run down a new rabbit hole looking for better/more. Only time will tell!

Peace out,

LJ

 

[LJFarming]

IMO the best thing we can do is separate soil and hydro topics ASAP. From my experience they are very different and anyone trying this expensive hobby out in the beginning that doesn’t even know what the different substrates are will spend an incredible amount of time, effort, and money not following the recommended grow style they think they are doing.

Perhaps I’m slow but it took me 6+ months to figure out the difference in organics and salts. Let alone outdoor folks should have their own as well. It was very easy for my slow ass to get confused as hell in the beginning and read 2 hours of the wrong info for what I thought I was doing! Again maybe I’m just slow but I honestly think the entire site should be 3 different forums about Outdoor, soil, and hydro. Perhaps this would also help with the questions being asked and give everyone more time to share their knowledge in the proper forum/format.

Honestly just my thoughts and after 10 years of doing this I know the buzz words and where to look for the info I seek. But it was seriously a bitch in the beginning when I didn’t know which way was up!

Peace out,

LJ

 

[smoke]

IMO the best thing we can do is separate soil and hydro topics ASAP.

I agree, there isn't a clear distinction in the menu at first glance

Edit : it kinda is but what do you mean

 

[Aqua Man]

I don't think bees take or refine anything harmful to the plants whatsoever


Certainly some stuff is better than the rest. Pollen is mostly carbohydrates and protein


I especially like the ideas of the short chain fatty acid and sucrose in the honeycomb. In addition to the hormones... Enzymes and phenols....


Honeycomb is interesting stuff but I also like things like pure tricontolol or using alfalfa as a tricontolol source material. Especially in an outdoor setting....

Alfalfa really can be a game changer IMO. Using a common pathway possibly.

I try to use all the advantages I can muster. Even if there's overlap sometimes

Good source of triacontanol

 

[Franksta]

IMO first red light in your post is Chinese anything! Sorry to get political boys and girls!

I wouldn't discount anything Chinese. That's just being biased without even looking at the evidence


Chinese agriculture is pretty amazing IMO and there at the forefront on some of the research. Especially organics...

For instance, Some of the research about tricontolol emerged out of public Chinese studies. Same thing with getting the pure isolates. Chinese orgin and best prices..

 

[Franksta]

IMO the best thing we can do is separate soil and hydro topics ASAP. From my experience they are very different and anyone trying this expensive hobby out in the beginning that doesn’t even know what the different substrates are will spend an incredible amount of time, effort, and money not following the recommended grow style they think they are doing.

Perhaps I’m slow but it took me 6+ months to figure out the difference in organics and salts. Let alone outdoor folks should have their own as well. It was very easy for my slow ass to get confused as hell in the beginning and read 2 hours of the wrong info for what I thought I was doing! Again maybe I’m just slow but I honestly think the entire site should be 3 different forums about Outdoor, soil, and hydro. Perhaps this would also help with the questions being asked and give everyone more time to share their knowledge in the proper forum/format.

Honestly just my thoughts and after 10 years of doing this I know the buzz words and where to look for the info I seek. But it was seriously a bitch in the beginning when I didn’t know which way was up!

Peace out,

LJ

I think it's natural to try and mix methods. Everyone thinks that they have a idea....

I made similar errors early in the process

I do think they need to be separate conversations like you said but I think reinforcement and talking about it helps more than anything


What NOT to do or try, and the why's....

 

[TomH]

Good source of triacontanol

I have used alfalfa meal on several different plants in the garden, each of them seemed to stall for about a week, then explosive growth.

I’m not sure what that week or so is doing to get the growth ready, but it’s amazing to see. Wake up one day and every plant looks twice as big!

 

[Franksta]

Another example is nitrification in hydro. Some would go by an absolute rule and as aqua point out it's really the boom bust and wild pH jump in a few hours sometimes...


So knowing >0.1 is a doubling in the H+ ion concentrations become critical.
Cause pH isn't linear... It's an exponential scale

The pH scale is logarithmic, meaning that an increase or decrease of an integer value changes the concentration by a tenfold. For example, a pH of 3 is ten times more acidic than a pH of 4. Likewise, a pH of 3 is one hundred times more acidic than a pH of 5. Similarly a pH of 11 is ten times more basic than a pH of 10.

 

[Franksta]

I have used alfalfa meal on several different plants in the garden, each of them seemed to stall for about a week, then explosive growth.

I’m not sure what that week or so is doing to get the growth ready, but it’s amazing to see. Wake up one day and every plant looks twice as big!

My guess is it's something else in the meal or a decomposition reaction of some sort

Difficult to say for sure

 

[Rootsruler]

Day/Night Growth Cycles. Does day comprise of food manufacturing and night of plant growth including roots or does day do both and night rests? Are there any processes happening during "sleep"? Do plants actually "sleep"? If they're delivering food throughout and growing what can be done to promote maximizing these processes?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Day/Night Growth Cycles. Does day comprise of food manufacturing and night of plant growth including roots or does day do both and night rests? Are there any processes happening during "sleep"? Do plants actually "sleep"? If they're delivering food throughout and growing what can be done to promote maximizing these processes?

I've read about dropping the temp 5-10 degrees at night but haven't done it yet. When I was prepping the tent, I let the temps fall overnight but have kept it constant since the plant was introduced. I had to do an automation with the heater on the ACI app to get the night temps to only drop a little. This caused some screwy things on the app and I have since abandoned the idea. That was a couple updates ago, however.

 

[Aqua Man]

Day/Night Growth Cycles. Does day comprise of food manufacturing and night of plant growth including roots or does day do both and night rests? Are there any processes happening during "sleep"? Do plants actually "sleep"? If they're delivering food throughout and growing what can be done to promote maximizing these processes?

Plants dont sleep they perform different processes over the calvin cycle. They produce different metabolites and use up the manufactured energy for growth. They grow day and night balancing the DLI and light cycle can really make a lot if difference. But each genetic will vary slightly on maximization just as they do for nutrients and environment.

This day night cycle benefits the microbes also as they feed on these metabolites and having more metabolites varieties means more attraction of microbes and species of. This is a big reason im not a fan of 24 hr light. The plants dont need rest. Under 24 hr light they will grow but there is evidence that follows exactly along with what i have seen that says plants given a dark period tend to be healthier.

Its all one big balancing act that further proves like everything cannabis related is not more is better

 

[Pipecarver]

Hey, pic of the month trophies, the show us your best buds pages and top pic was fun, prizes or not a gold star or blue ribbon used to be enough of a reward for top honors. There's a lot of good growers here, keep it simple no prize other than boner points or stars on your profile after a vote for top 3 contenders......

 

[Rootsruler]

Hey, pic of the month trophies, the show us your best buds pages and top pic was fun, prizes or not a gold star or blue ribbon used to be enough of a reward for top honors. There's a lot of good growers here, keep it simple no prize other than boner points or stars on your profile after a vote for top 3 contenders......

Take it one step further and have an actual physical trophy that can also double as a bong!!!

Bud Builders Cup!!!

 

[steamroller]

Any member can start a thread with a poll.
That would allow entries from others and voting, I think.
Or votes could be counted off emoji value;

Feel free to start a bud/plant of the month thread.
I love me bud pictures.. Who would have known?

 

[Rootsruler]

Looking into including Fulvic and Humic acids into my feed routine.

Any good tutorials on how to do that successfully?

 

[steamroller]

I use Mr.Fluvic at 1ml. per gallon in my drip.

 

[Stoneyluv]

i use this one..

Fulvic and Humic Blend – Kelp4less

www.kelp4less.com

 

[Rootsruler]

Would it be best to use a kelp product rather than a blend like @Stoneyluv linked? I'm thinking the kelp product will have other benefits that only humic and fulvic may not provide.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Would it be best to use a kelp product rather than a blend like @Stoneyluv linked? I'm thinking the kelp product will have other benefits that only humic and fulvic may not provide.

Fulvic Humic Kelp Blend – Kelp4less

www.kelp4less.com

 

[Rootsruler]

Fulvic Humic Kelp Blend – Kelp4less

www.kelp4less.com

Any precipitation issues if I mix it into a large reservoir?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Any precipitation issues if I mix it into a large reservoir?

I've only mixed it a gallon at a time. but if you have precipitation with just water than i would have to guess yes it will. i can say for sure that their staff is knowledgeable and helpful at K4L!! i've called them quite a few times over the years and have always answered all my questions. if you buy from them sign up with them first they always have sales and two for one deals. happyplants gets ya 5% i think.

 

[steamroller]

My stuff is liquid and mixes well in my barrel.
I read somewhere there is a difference between dry and liquid.
Something changes or becomes omitted when dried with the fluvic.
Hate to say but look at " The Recipe" by Bill Farthing.

While I use powders when possible, Mr. Fulvic is a liquid to retain amino/organic acids and soluble silica must be formulated as a liquid as well. They are all concentrates, so you are shipping as little water as possible.
Taken from;

Ballin' On a Budget- THE RECIPE

I love fertilizer. I work with big grows down to friends that have a single 400w light. I recommend the same thing to each and every one of them. It is used start to finish, so there's no following confusing feed schedules. A buddy of mine started calling this "The Recipe" because it is cheap...

www.thcfarmer.com

 

[Observer]

Looking into including Fulvic and Humic acids into my feed routine.

Any good tutorials on how to do that successfully?

0.5ml in CLF drip, 1ml every watering if you want, up to 5mL for young/rooting plants it claims on the back.

 

[Rootsruler]

My stuff is liquid and mixes well in my barrel.
I read somewhere there is a difference between dry and liquid.
Something changes or becomes omitted when dried with the fluvic.
Hate to say but look at " The Recipe" by Bill Farthing.

While I use powders when possible, Mr. Fulvic is a liquid to retain amino/organic acids and soluble silica must be formulated as a liquid as well. They are all concentrates, so you are shipping as little water as possible.
Taken from;

Ballin' On a Budget- THE RECIPE

I love fertilizer. I work with big grows down to friends that have a single 400w light. I recommend the same thing to each and every one of them. It is used start to finish, so there's no following confusing feed schedules. A buddy of mine started calling this "The Recipe" because it is cheap...

www.thcfarmer.com

Do you use this recipe or have you in the past?

 

[Bandit420]

This is one of the reasons I use Neptunes Harvest products. Fulvic, kelp, molasses, and even Yucca Extract for heat tolerance are already in the bottles of the nutes like Veg & Tomato food. So even though I only pour from 2 bottles of product, both bottles pretty much carry a shopping list of ingredients I used to buy and mix separately.

 

[steamroller]

The recipe is 3-2-1 with Mr Fluvic and silica.
I don't use silica but just ran 3-2-1.
Pretty sure I was way to light with feed?

 

[Observer]

Do you use this recipe or have you in the past?

For me, Ever since I heard about the salts

Yes, after my jrcoptech salts run out, may buy another bag of jacks 5-12-26 or check other salt options

Base NpK salt ion feed
Calnit 15-0-0 2/25/50 lb bags are cheap AF.
Epsom salt = Magnesium Sulfate

Additives
Silica - potassium silicate and phosphorous acid
Fulvic - Mr fulvic, chelator
Kelp - for foliar


Probably one of the cheapest ways to grow dank, on the fertilizer front.