The Psyche Gardens

[steamroller]

I'd like to get back into the aquarium hobby too once I get back on my feet.

(Not that I was ever really into it) I had a ball python

But would like to dabble in multiple.

There used to be a really cool fish club your way.
Not sure but think it still exists.
HAAS

KCFishClub – The Heart of America Aquarium Society of Kansas City

kcfishclub.org

One of the color variants I bred came from a gentleman named Craig who was a member.

 

[Observer]

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20 minutes off/4 seconds on.

 

[Observer]

I think I can go longer,

Increasing to 22 minutes off from 20m, still 4 seconds.


There seems to be enough moisture between cycles where the the roots are not drying out, and RH in the tote showed 93% after placing the sensor in there for a minute, which I suspect is high enough for the roots as well.

And I suspect it'll be more beneficial, if they don't need the water, they don't need it.

Trying to encourage root growth as much as possible.

Also considering the environment is mostly stable around 80f and 60-70rh

I'm looking for the fuzzy roots, which aren't apparent yet, so I wonder if by reducing the water usage, maybe I'll see em.

Unless droplet size isn't small enough? Not sure yet....time till well.

 

[Zen_seeker]

(R) Pinched tap root is moving a little faster.


And the bamboo.

My daughter left her bamboo when she moved out the first time. I ended up looking after it. My mom had gotten it for her years earlier.

After a few years in BC, then Alberta, she moved back home for a year before moving to Quebec. This time she took the bamboo plant with her. Last I heard it had grown quite large. It’s about 15+ years old now.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Thanks for checking my little grow

Update next time

I'll try to consolidate more

I'm adhd as fuck

As zen said I type one sentence post too much lol

All over the place

I’m the opposite. I’m slow to post because I put my thoughts down first, then go back and add/remove things, and correct spelling when the phone lets me.

 

[Observer]

I think I can go longer,

Increasing to 22 minutes off from 20m, still 4 seconds.


There seems to be enough moisture between cycles where the the roots are not drying out, and RH in the tote

I think I can go longer,

Increasing to 22 minutes off from 20m, still 4 seconds.


There seems to be enough moisture between cycles where the the roots are not drying out, and RH in the tote showed 93% after placing the sensor in there for a minute, which I suspect is high enough for the roots as well.

And I suspect it'll be more beneficial, if they don't need the water, they don't need it.

Trying to encourage root growth as much as possible.

Also considering the environment is mostly stable around 80f and 60-70rh

I'm looking for the fuzzy roots, which aren't apparent yet, so I wonder if by reducing the water usage, maybe I'll see em.

Unless droplet size isn't small enough? Not sure yet....time till well.

Those fine root hairs don't fuck around.

Not sure exactly why those top ones have burnt tips

I don't think it got that dry...but maybe it did, unless chemical burn but doubtful as the rest aren't, and careful dosing.

We learnin'

 

[steamroller]

Could light be making it to them?
I see the top of the cup is empty and allows light in and moisture out.
Maybe just a cover of some sort over top of cup?

 

[Observer]

Could light be making it to them?
I see the top of the cup is empty and allows light in and moisture out.
Maybe just a cover of some sort over top of cup?

Yea good point

Might need to cover/seal that up more, and that should help.

 

[Observer]

That's a little better......

Wait till get my hands on a 3D printer lol.

That'll help the root structure too.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Do you just squish the tap root or actually pinch it off?

I tried something different with one of my current plants. The seedling root was longer than the 3D printed pot so I tried looping it back up. I’ve lightly coiled them in the past but couldn’t with this pot. I wasn’t sure how it would do but it took off.

This is it now in a one gallon.

One test doesn’t mean much but I know if I need to I can do it again. It was topped once about a week or two ago.

 

[Observer]

Do you just squish the tap root or actually pinch it off?

I tried something different with one of my current plants. The seedling root was longer than the 3D printed pot so I tried looping it back up. I’ve lightly coiled them in the past but couldn’t with this pot. I wasn’t sure how it would do but it took off.

This is it now in a one gallon. View attachment 94819

One test doesn’t mean much but I knortv=w if I need to I can do it again. It was topped once about a week or two ago.

Yeah just cut it off, or pinch it, break it.

And you can keep doing it/training and trimming the root zone is fine.

As long as the main root isn't messed with or too much at once.

Not the first time I tested pinching or cutting the end of the taproot, to see it branch out.

 

[Observer]

I got some!


I was testing a different theory/hypothesis over night

I was doing it wrong




@ 3 seconds on, 7 minutes off, now I'll tune around this time

 

[Observer]

I could recycle this water and have less waste, but I'd prefer to run it through a UV sterilizer first.

And then just recycle it.

 

[Aqua Man]

I could recycle this water and have less waste, but I'd prefer to run it through a UV sterilizer first.

And then just recycle it.

Just watch the dwell time under UV. If i remember correctly UV can cause iron to fall out of the solution

 

[ninjadip]

Yeah just cut it off, or pinch it, break it.

And you can keep doing it/training and trimming the root zone is fine.

As long as the main root isn't messed with or too much at once.

Not the first time I tested pinching or cutting the end of the taproot, to see it branch out.

I should have mentioned, I groomed the roots on that one I sent that pic of. Maybe that contributed how big they got for sure

 

[Observer]

Do you just squish the tap root or actually pinch it off?

I tried something different with one of my current plants. The seedling root was longer than the 3D printed pot so I tried looping it back up. I’ve lightly coiled them in the past but couldn’t with this pot. I wasn’t sure how it would do but it took off.

This is it now in a one gallon. View attachment 94819

One test doesn’t mean much but I know if I need to I can do it again. It was topped once about a week or two ago.

And hell yea, even in soil with limited space or in tents don't need more than 3 gallons really.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Yeah just cut it off, or pinch it, break it.

And you can keep doing it/training and trimming the root zone is fine.

As long as the main root isn't messed with or too much at once.

Not the first time I tested pinching or cutting the end of the taproot, to see it branch out.

I’ve broken one off accidentally planting but never new if it was effected badly or not. Kind of figured it would act more like a clone and only have the side roots.

I’ll have to try it intentionally in the future.

 

[Zen_seeker]

And hell yea, even in soil with limited space or in tents don't need more than 3 gallons really.

I got a lot of advice in the beginning. Have a few different sizes. The ones I ended up using repeatedly are the 1 & 3 gallons. Unfortunately my 3G are tall and I need to find wide. Have to go shopping tomorrow, should be a few garden items for sale by now.

 

[Observer]

I think I can go longer,

Increasing to 22 minutes off from 20m, still 4 seconds.


There seems to be enough moisture between cycles where the the roots are not drying out, and RH in the tote showed 93% after placing the sensor in there for a minute, which I suspect is high enough for the roots as well.

And I suspect it'll be more beneficial, if they don't need the water, they don't need it.

Trying to encourage root growth as much as possible.

Also considering the environment is mostly stable around 80f and 60-70rh

I'm looking for the fuzzy roots, which aren't apparent yet, so I wonder if by reducing the water usage, maybe I'll see em.

Unless droplet size isn't small enough? Not sure yet....time till well.

Ok so if you have big water droplets, they fuck it up.


For a system to be considered a true high-pressure aeroponic setup, it largely depends on achieving the correct droplet size and precise misting cycle times, carefully balanced with environmental variables.


100% roots in air, no submersion, droplet size HAS to be 50 or under, only way you get that droplet size is high pressure and giga small nozzle diameters, or ultrasonic atomization.

 

[Observer]

And hell yea, even in soil with limited space or in tents don't need more than 3 gallons really.

AI got some!


I was testing a different theory/hypothesis over night

I was doing it wrong




@ 3 seconds on, 7 minutes off, now I'll tune around this time

I tried 2 seconds, I tried 6 minutes, I tried 5, I tried 8, I think since it goes 4+ hours without me fucking with it, and it has time to equalize or reach equilibrium, having the nozzles pointed a certain degree too much up or down, all play a role. (I'm going to leave it at 3s on, 7:10m off tonight)

Too many water droplets on the netcups surface mean they can coalesce, And bigger droplet size = bad, once the roots are in that equilibrium and "perfect" mist/ "Aerozone" them fuzzy roots should develop.

So as I am fucking with it, trying to observe; turning it on and off, it just makes it go out of equilibrium, too much water is then on the surface of the netcups, and bigger droplets form, these wet those fine hairs and either they "dissappear or.....

And now since I'm pretty sure that the pump/nozzles DO make small enough droplet/ water molecule size (1-50um) , (since I finally got some fuzzy/"aero"/adventitious) roots)

It's just a matter of the plants growth, proper mist cycle and degree of "Aerozone".

 

[Observer]

Also, smelling an organic/ almost mold like smell from the rootchamber.

Maybe I should/can increase my h2o2 dosage and or my calcium hypochlorous acid dose per gallon.

I also figure I need to stop running the soluble kelp in the solution and just foliar that if I want the benefits that kelp can offer, to reduce "organic" materiel in the rootchamber.

 

[Observer]

Love it though.

 

[Observer]

Discovered these caps fit pretty well....

 

[Observer]

Reduced to 19 hours from 20 hours under current ppfd 120-150, for a slightly healthier DLI

This node spacing on the first one Is really tight

Compared to second one

Keeping them compact as I don't have much vert space.

Also the led is causing an im-balance, the way its positioned over each due to the led arraignment.

Balance, balance, balance.

 

[Observer]

Adjusted that led arrangement imbalance slightly, and more even DLI above both plants

Keeping in mind, the right has the pinched tap root and branched out earlier into more lateral roots, more uptake

Might be why it's more developed too.

 

[Observer]

 

[Observer]

Can't upload more than 3s 60fps UHD here, understandably so.

 

[Observer]

60 FPS UHD

 

[Observer]

3s, 4m
0.1 E.C 10-14-26 + CalNit + MgSo4
3% H2O2
Ca(ClO)₂
~5.5pH
~79F/70RH
~76F LST
~1.0 VPD
~130 PPFD
~9DLI
~6500K
~21% Atmo O2

I Rest My Case, You're Honor.

@Aqua Man
@moe.red

 

[Zen_seeker]

I think the videos might be a bit much for the forum atm. Just post some shots or low res vids.

 

[ninjadip]

How they looking now

 

[Observer]

How they looking now

The pinched one stalled a bit, it showed root tip burn, think I was using 2 much of something but that was corrected

The other one, I keep stacking its root system.

Added 2 more

4s on/8m off

 

[Observer]

A bit trickier to dial this in

 

[Observer]

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Once the roots are down in the chamber more should get some explosive growth

I've been trying to structure the root system by adding another cup for the roots to get caught and build up.

 

[Observer]

Already grown an inch or so

 

[spartacusve]

Thank you sir! Your grow is a master class!!! It's an honour to see it IRL!

 

[Zen_seeker]

The pinched one stalled a bit, it showed root tip burn, think I was using 2 much of something but that was corrected

The other one, I keep stacking its root system.

Added 2 more

4s on/8m off

Won’t that hole be a little small down the road?

 

[Observer]

Won’t that hole be a little small down the road?

Definitely

I gotta get some neoprene collars or cut the cap in a way that maybe the plant can push against.

 

[Observer]

Sorry thought I included pics of the other root system, nothing impressive.....yet.

 

[Observer]

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