The Psyche Gardens

[ninjadip]

Thanks you....appreciate it alot

PM me your addy when you have time, i should be able to ship out within a week. I'll do what i can. are you interested in a mix of fems, regs, and the auto freebies?

 

[Observer]

I remember your solo cup runs, that shit is legend

Hell yea, thanks man, I put a lot of work into it

Can't wait till next time, ill double it up.

On a better path/trajectory now, again.

 

[Observer]

PM me your addy when you have time, i should be able to ship out within a week. I'll do what i can. are you interested in a mix of fems, regs, and the auto freebies?

Everything
Lol

 

[Observer]

Hehe

Got today off, should be a good day.

Just finished organizing and taking the trash out, etc.

 

[Observer]

Dissolved salt-based nutrients (like nitrates, phosphates, potassium salts, calcium salts, etc., common in hydroponic/aeroponic solutions) fully dissociate into ions in water. These ions (e.g., K⁺, Ca²⁺, NO₃⁻, H₂PO₄⁻) interact with water molecules primarily through strong electrostatic ion-dipole attractions, forming stable hydration shells (also called solvation shells).




Water is a polar molecule (oxygen end δ⁻, hydrogen ends δ⁺), so:

• Cations (positive ions) are surrounded by water molecules with their oxygen atoms pointing inward.
• Anions (negative ions) are surrounded by water molecules with their hydrogen atoms pointing inward.

This creates a structured first hydration shell (typically 4–8 water molecules per ion, depending on ion size/charge), plus looser second-shell interactions. The result is full solvation: ions stay dissolved and mobile without pairing or precipitating under normal conditions. Hydration energy stabilizes the solution and prevents ions from "escaping" the water.

### What changes when atomized into 1–10 μm fog droplets?
Atomization (e.g., via ultrasonic foggers in fogponics or fine-mist aeroponics) breaks the bulk solution into microscopic liquid droplets suspended in air. Each 1–10 μm droplet still contains the same dissolved ions and water molecules as the original solution—the ions remain fully hydrated inside the droplet.




Here’s the scale (for a typical nutrient solution at ~0.01 M total ion concentration, common in hydroponics):

• 1 μm diameter droplet: ~1.75 × 10¹⁰ water molecules and ~3.15 × 10⁶ ions → ~5,550 water molecules per ion.
• 5 μm droplet: ~2.19 × 10¹² water molecules and ~3.94 × 10⁸ ions.
• 10 μm droplet: ~1.75 × 10¹³ water molecules and ~3.15 × 10⁹ ions.

Even at the smallest end (1 μm), there are thousands of water molecules per ion—far more than needed for complete hydration shells. The interior of the droplet behaves like bulk liquid water.

### Key differences due to small droplet size (high surface-to-volume ratio)
While core ion–water interactions are unchanged, the tiny size introduces surface effects that become relatively more significant (especially at 1–5 μm):

• Air–water interface effects: Water molecules at the droplet surface have fewer hydrogen bonds and different orientation (“dangling” OH groups). Some ions show surface propensity (chaotropic ions like certain nitrates can enrich slightly at the surface; kosmotropic nutrient ions like phosphates or sulfates prefer the hydrated interior).
• Ion distribution and electric double layer (EDL): Microdroplets often develop a thin charged layer at the surface due to preferential ion adsorption or atomization-induced charge. This creates ion gradients and a weak electric field inside the droplet (modeled similarly to Gouy–Chapman double-layer theory). Ions concentrate more toward the surface in some cases, and the droplet can behave like a tiny electrochemical cell with small potential differences (~tens to >100 mV in extreme models).
• Evaporation dynamics: Fog droplets have enormous surface area relative to volume, so they evaporate quickly if relative humidity (RH) drops. As water leaves, ion concentration rises rapidly → possible ion pairing, pH shifts, supersaturation, or crystallization (efflorescence). In humid controlled environments (typical for fogponics), droplets stay liquid long enough for root contact.
• No major change in nutrient chemistry: In practical fogponics/aeroponics (where 1–10 μm or 5–30 μm droplets are used), the ions are delivered in the same hydrated, bioavailable form as in bulk solution. Plants absorb them readily upon droplet contact with roots. Smaller droplets carry less total nutrient mass per particle (volume scales with diameter³), which is why some growers note limitations for heavy-feeding plants, but the ion–water interaction itself is unaltered.

In summary, the fundamental ion–water interaction (hydration shells via ion-dipole forces) is preserved inside each fog droplet and identical to the bulk solution for the vast majority of molecules/ions. Surface and evaporation effects introduce subtle gradients and faster concentration changes compared to bulk liquid, but these are well-understood from aerosol and microdroplet research and do not prevent effective nutrient delivery in horticultural applications. If RH, temperature, or concentration are extreme, you may see precipitation—otherwise, the fog behaves as a highly efficient, oxygenated nutrient carrier.

 

[Observer]

Hotel grow, let's go.....lol...

 

[ninjadip]

Hotel grow, let's go.....lol...

Tell them like my dad once told me when his dad asked him at 15, what are you growing son?

Tomato plants, my dad responded.

Well, those tomato plants better be gone when i come back is all my grandpa replied

 

[steamroller]

Tell them like my dad once told me when his dad asked him at 15, what are you growing son?

Tomato plants, my dad responded.

Well, those tomato plants better be gone when i come back is all my grandpa replied

Might help if walks around eating tomatoes like an apple~!

 

[Observer]

Tell them like my dad once told me when his dad asked him at 15, what are you growing son?

Tomato plants, my dad responded.

Well, those tomato plants better be gone when i come back is all my grandpa replied

Hahaha

I asked if “house plants are allowed”
They said yes

So, cannabis is a house plant lol….

growing a sunflower and germinating some pepper seeds too.

 

[Bandit420]

Tell them like my dad once told me when his dad asked him at 15, what are you growing son?

Tomato plants, my dad responded.

Well, those tomato plants better be gone when i come back is all my grandpa replied

There's a Costco sized hydroshop in Arizona who for a while, included this tshirt free with every order.
I got a few but they were all size L and too small so I donated them but always thought they were funny because we had to talk in code before legalization and tomatoes were part of that code

 

[Observer]

I go work

 

[Observer]

She's cookin'

Figure, once those Oats are covered, I'll shake it.

I'm not 100% on what to do after, Besides making a little cut at the top of the bag for "Fruiting conditions".

Perhaps, put the bag in a tote for a "ensulator environment", would help. (?)

 

[Shaded]

Growing in a hotel?? Are you okay @Observer

I'm here for it though. The daily anxiety would send me to the loonie bin if that was me.

 

[Observer]

Growing in a hotel?? Are you okay

No, Lol.

@Observer

I'm here for it though.

Yes, you heard/read that right, haha....

I'm one that's very passionate about cultivation, my plants, my therapy......MY garden...."My Grow Room"....

Growing/synthesizing my own medicines is phenomenal....


I'm going to attempt a veg to harvest in coco/perlite, plans to setup a HPA tote and fog tote here, too.
Undersink filtration to resevoir...


"Free electricity"......I should setup a passive-income cryptominer too....while I can....

Hahaha....

The daily anxiety would send me to the loonie bin if that was me.

Already in the "loonies bin" I think...
Lol

 

[Observer]

Hotel grow, let's go.....lol...

I seed the "vibes"......

 

[Observer]

Growing in a hotel?? Are you okay @Observer

I'm here for it though. The daily anxiety would send me to the loonie bin if that was me.

If you've seen my 210 solo cup grow in a 5x5 tent you'd know the answer. Lol

 

[Observer]

There's a Costco sized hydroshop in Arizona who for a while, included this tshirt free with every order.
I got a few but they were all size L and too small so I donated them but always thought they were funny because we had to talk in code before legalization and tomatoes were part of that code

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Like you can't say bong in a smoke shop.


But a, "water pipe"....

Society is Absurd....we pretend up front lol

 

[Observer]

Planting em'

 

[Observer]

Hehe

 

[Observer]

They Poppin' Up.

 

[Observer]

Started around 150ppfd, 20 hours.

But this damn seedling keeps acting like it wants more PPFD, it's stretching, so I tweaked the voltage on the LED and bring it closer.

Only had a day or two to Observe the Plant, Analyze its Needs/Wants.

Respond to what its doing.

Starting low and slow, but it seems to want more.

Lol

 

[Observer]

=)

 

[ninjadip]

She's cookin'

Figure, once those Oats are covered, I'll shake it.

I'm not 100% on what to do after, Besides making a little cut at the top of the bag for "Fruiting conditions".

Perhaps, put the bag in a tote for a "ensulator environment", would help. (?)

I've used these bags to start and then put in a tub for more fruiting room, of course with some other things in the tub like you would do a mono tub grow with all the right filtered breathing holes too. You can also do everything in the bag. If i remember right, don't open until fully inoculated to prevent any unwanted spores to take hold of your medium.

I'll be honest i can't remember everything, it's been a few years. But i really liked growing them. Was just looking at the 3 chocolate bars i still have left over in the fridge for a rainy day

And then what to do with that san Pedro cactus in the window that's big enough to to do something fun with lol

Man i fear that if you were closer we would get into some tripping trouble lol