What’s going on here?

[moe.red]

You going hardest first or easier?

I’m at the point that I’m pretty sure next time round is liquid nutes again and leave the dry nutes for the garden, for now.

Remove the extra variables and stick with one brand again, get a little faster results. I also don’t want to end up fighting my solid nutrients if I have a deficiency again.

You know... you could make this a crowd source choice...if not this one another later...anything that you feel can be left to us to decide. Maybe be put together a few choices like bundles. Then ask us to pick a bundle. Or you say what the base is and then we steer the options?

Just thinking out loud.

Truth is I don't expect to have too many problems. I may not know dirt, but I think I kinda understand what the plants are going thru and can correct. Hopefully.

But your point is a good one and I can put some of these decisions up to the crew here.

 

[Rootsruler]

Where do I plug in the chiller?

Us dirt farmers chill naturally. No hook ups needed!

 

[Rootsruler]

You going hardest first or easier?

I’m at the point that I’m pretty sure next time round is liquid nutes again and leave the dry nutes for the garden, for now.

Remove the extra variables and stick with one brand again, get a little faster results. I also don’t want to end up fighting my solid nutrients if I have a deficiency again.

You know... you could make this a crowd source choice...if not this one another later...anything that you feel can be left to us to decide. Maybe be put together a few choices like bundles. Then ask us to pick a bundle. Or you say what the base is and then we steer the options?

Just thinking out loud.

I may be biased but I really think salt ferts in soil get a bad rap. I've never had issues of salt buildup or anything like that and, yes, it's WAY easier to steer your crops with immediately available nutrient rather than slow release. Nothing wrong with it but, IMO, I think powdered ferts are best left to outdoor grows. Not to say that people don't get great results indoors but, again, the steering thing is what keeps me on the bottle.

Also, Aquaman's breakdown of how nutrient ions break down confirmed a lot of what I thought as far as organic vs synthetic nutrients.

I've posted it before but I'll post it again. I use a very simple recipe with very few amendments and get decent results.

General Hydroponics FloraNova Grow and Bloom
Hormex
ProTekt Silicate
Botanicare Cal/Mag

Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice on seedling
Advanced Nutrients Bud Candy a week before flip and I stop at the end of week 6.

The Bud Candy I'll probably eliminate and just raise Cal/Mag. After reading the active ingredients I realized it's mainly just more Mag with some carbs to feed the enzymes and bacteria.

My theory is that the nutrient feeds I give are more a supplement to the available soil nutrients present in the media.

 

[moe.red]

You going hardest first or easier?

I’m at the point that I’m pretty sure next time round is liquid nutes again and leave the dry nutes for the garden, for now.

Remove the extra variables and stick with one brand again, get a little faster results. I also don’t want to end up fighting my solid nutrients if I have a deficiency again.

You know... you could make this a crowd source choice...if not this one another later...anything that you feel can be left to us to decide. Maybe be put together a few choices like bundles. Then ask us to pick a bundle. Or you say what the base is and then we steer the options?

Just thinking out loud.

Been thinking about this. I think I am going with jacks for some of them. I’d like to learn more about that.

I could do gh in some. I’m also considering @Shaded gia green method in some.

I’m going to use the duper duper platinum soil @MysticEpipedon recommended for some.

I got 12 seeds. I’m sure one way will be successful.

I’ll use the best one as the clone mom for ongoing testing.

 

[CannaGranny]

Im willing to share up my method Sorry slow to answer, I was up in your part of the world.

 

[moe.red]

Im willing to share up my method Sorry slow to answer, I was up in your part of the world.

Yes please. So you know me, I gotta overcomplicate stuff.

I am thinking of doing 12 starts in 4 different methods. 3 fem seeds in each.

Get thru veg, and cull down to 8 plant sites in my 4x8. Light and environment will not be an issue, this will all be about the side by side responses to just the different grow media.

So each plant will have a 2x2 grow space. I do not intend to scrog so I can move plants as needed.

So I need to nail down the 4 grow methods, one of which being yours. This is going to be fun, and I'll finally get some dirt experience under by belt.

 

[Garbage_bear]

I like dirt. I am trying to get this living soil thing figured out. Mostly because I need the least amount of work possible for growing. I want it to all organic and as natural as possible because I consume so much of this plant. Good luck with your soil grow!

 

[CannaGranny]

Yes please. So you know me, I gotta overcomplicate stuff.

I am thinking of doing 12 starts in 4 different methods. 3 fem seeds in each.

Get thru veg, and cull down to 8 plant sites in my 4x8. Light and environment will not be an issue, this will all be about the side by side responses to just the different grow media.

So each plant will have a 2x2 grow space. I do not intend to scrog so I can move plants as needed.

So I need to nail down the 4 grow methods, one of which being yours. This is going to be fun, and I'll finally get some dirt experience under by belt.

I get a chance this evening I’ll sit down send ya the mix and my method. You may be disappointed tho.. it’s far too easy!
I don’t know what you did to the background but my old eyes sees it far better now! Thanks!

 

[CannaGranny]

Yes please. So you know me, I gotta overcomplicate stuff.

I am thinking of doing 12 starts in 4 different methods. 3 fem seeds in each.

Get thru veg, and cull down to 8 plant sites in my 4x8. Light and environment will not be an issue, this will all be about the side by side responses to just the different grow media.

So each plant will have a 2x2 grow space. I do not intend to scrog so I can move plants as needed.

So I need to nail down the 4 grow methods, one of which being yours. This is going to be fun, and I'll finally get some dirt experience under by belt.

One thing I will say is this, I don’t think you get a true side by side comparison if it’s not all the same genetics. I have learned this with some of my “testing”.

 

[moe.red]

I get a chance this evening I’ll sit down send ya the mix and my method. You may be disappointed tho.. it’s far too easy!
I don’t know what you did to the background but my old eyes sees it far better now! Thanks!

You can thank @SweetLeafGrow for that. He's bukkin to take my job.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I'll make my application once I score me a cool lab coat and pocket protector

 

[CannaGranny]

I'll make my application once I score me a cool lab coat and pocket protector

I can fix you up with that! Well the lab jacket, even I don’t have a pocket protector!

 

[moe.red]

One thing I will say is this, I don’t think you get a true side by side comparison if it’s not all the same genetics. I have learned this with some of my “testing”.

You are correct ma'am. As usual

My plan was to select the absolute best specimen out of these 12 seeds and clone it and put it on ice with Tissue Culture. I now have an endless supply of the best single plant I find. All subsequent testing will be based on that DNA.

I would then do an RDWC vs < insert best resulting soil grow method from this trial > using those genetics. That will be the real test. We could scrog that one, each getting 4x4.

Hydro or soil, which gives better smoke?

I would personally drive down with an unmarked test bud from each grow, and you can decide which is better. 100% legal for us to do so now.

Wanna start taking bets?

I suppose I could start a poll on what genetics to run, but I was planning on doing Mac Dragon x BX1 by @dragonsflamegenetics

I chose that at the time specifically for hydro because of the massive vascularity and structure to hold big weight. It was destined to be my fogponics guest star. But I could be convinced to go with a more neutral genetic for this kind of test. Just gotta decide quick. I'm sure I can get cuts from many people like @Moshmen and @Anthem275

 

[moe.red]

I like dirt. I am trying to get this living soil thing figured out. Mostly because I need the least amount of work possible for growing. I want it to all organic and as natural as possible because I consume so much of this plant. Good luck with your soil grow!

You are one of the guys that might benefit from THCp. It could break thru some tolerance issues. I've been trying to find it in plant form for a while to share with folks like you and its not really happening. I found THCv but this one is not as easy. I'd probably have to grow 1000 plants to find it. Feels like anyway.

Here's the paper on the discovery in 2019

A novel phytocannabinoid isolated from Cannabis sativa L. with an in vivo cannabimimetic activity higher than Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol: Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabiphorol - Scientific Reports

(-)-Trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC) is the main compound responsible for the intoxicant activity of Cannabis sativa L. The length of the side alkyl chain influences the biological activity of this cannabinoid. In particular, synthetic analogues of Δ9-THC with a longer side chain have...

www.nature.com

This article is much easier to understand.

The ability of THCP to bind so effectively with cannabinoid receptors in the body could make it highly valuable—not just as a recreational high, but also to relieve pain, ease nausea, and help users sleep. Although THCP hasn’t been thoroughly studied yet, it seems likely that this cannabinoid’s unmatched binding affinity with human receptors will make it especially valuable for treating those and other conditions.

THCP: Is It Really 33 Times Stronger Than THC?

THCP, or tetrahydrocannabiphorol, is an organic cannabinoid that can also be produced in a lab from legal hemp-derived compounds.

vaping360.com

I have not done so but THCp can be purchased made in the lab from hemp derived CBD. Legal to ship and own as far as I know.

 

[dragonsflamegenetics]

my vote is for my Mac dragon bx1

 

[CannaGranny]

We can do a three person panel. I have two friends I have been smoking with for thirty five years, that means between the three of us we have one hundred and five years of experience!

 

[moe.red]

We can do a three person panel. I have two friends I have been smoking with for thirty five years, that means between the three of us we have one hundred and five years of experience!

Well if we are gonna do this I should send you a clone too.

 

[Garbage_bear]

You are one of the guys that might benefit from THCp. It could break thru some tolerance issues. I've been trying to find it in plant form for a while to share with folks like you and its not really happening. I found THCv but this one is not as easy. I'd probably have to grow 1000 plants to find it. Feels like anyway.

Here's the paper on the discovery in 2019

A novel phytocannabinoid isolated from Cannabis sativa L. with an in vivo cannabimimetic activity higher than Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol: Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabiphorol - Scientific Reports

(-)-Trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ9-THC) is the main compound responsible for the intoxicant activity of Cannabis sativa L. The length of the side alkyl chain influences the biological activity of this cannabinoid. In particular, synthetic analogues of Δ9-THC with a longer side chain have...

www.nature.com

This article is much easier to understand.

The ability of THCP to bind so effectively with cannabinoid receptors in the body could make it highly valuable—not just as a recreational high, but also to relieve pain, ease nausea, and help users sleep. Although THCP hasn’t been thoroughly studied yet, it seems likely that this cannabinoid’s unmatched binding affinity with human receptors will make it especially valuable for treating those and other conditions.

THCP: Is It Really 33 Times Stronger Than THC?

THCP, or tetrahydrocannabiphorol, is an organic cannabinoid that can also be produced in a lab from legal hemp-derived compounds.

vaping360.com

I have not done so but THCp can be purchased made in the lab from hemp derived CBD. Legal to ship and own as far as I know.

Yeah I actually bought some THCP distillate and tried it. I just vaped it all but I didn’t have any effects from it. I felt really ripped off but who knows what I actually bought. It was hemp derived. I have been losing weight and laying off the RSO and my tolerance is slowly lowering. Weight loss is a big one as it is stored in your fat. I am also very interested in THCV but that sounds like a hard one to get. HOKU seeds regularly drops THCV strains but I haven’t tried any. If it is that hard to find a good phenotype I probably won’t mess with growing it.

 

[Rootsruler]

Yeah I actually bought some THCP distillate and tried it. I just vaped it all but I didn’t have any effects from it. I felt really ripped off but who knows what I actually bought. It was hemp derived. I have been losing weight and laying off the RSO and my tolerance is slowly lowering. Weight loss is a big one as it is stored in your fat. I am also very interested in THCV but that sounds like a hard one to get. HOKU seeds regularly drops THCV strains but I haven’t tried any. If it is that hard to find a good phenotype I probably won’t mess with growing it.

Can't they separate molecules with a column chromoatograph?

 

[Garbage_bear]

Can't they separate molecules with a column chromoatograph?

Beats me. I don’t even know what that is.

 

[Rootsruler]

It's a lab device they use to separate certain molecules.

Beats me. I don’t even know what that is.

Column Chromatography- Definition, Principle, Parts, Steps, Uses

Column Chromatography. Introduction, Forms, Principle, Instrumentation, Steps, Factors Affecting Column Efficiency, Applications, Advantages and Limitations

microbenotes.com

 

[moe.red]

Can't they separate molecules with a column chromoatograph?

If you found it in a plant probably. But it is in tiny doses only. Why it evaded detection for so long.

Commercially it is made in the lab from CBD.

 

[Rootsruler]

Does there need to be some sort of internal reaction to create that molecule that CC can't get or is it in such miniscule amounts that physical separation would be tough?

 

[moe.red]

Does there need to be some sort of internal reaction to create that molecule that CC can't get or is it in such miniscule amounts that physical separation would be tough?

What is the source for the CC? If it is bud, what bud has THCp in it?

So problem one - find plants that have the cannabinoid in a measurable qty.

OK, you found Mendo Purps and it tests to 2% THCp (not really, I sure can't find it)

Problem 2 is THCp and THC are almost identical molecules. Using CC to sort molecules when the molecules are damn near the same is a tough go. Might work, might not. I'd have to find source material and test to know.

 

[Rootsruler]

What is the source for the CC? If it is bud, what bud has THCp in it?

So problem one - find plants that have the cannabinoid in a measurable qty.

OK, you found Mendo Purps and it tests to 2% THCp (not really, I sure can't find it)

Problem 2 is THCp and THC are almost identical molecules. Using CC to sort molecules when the molecules are damn near the same is a tough go. Might work, might not. I'd have to find source material and test to know.

Interesting. So once again genetics plays the major factor in acquiring a particular effect. Is there a particular stage of growth where you would find higher ratios of THCp like when they harvest early for particular cannabanoids or is it purely strain specific?

 

[Garbage_bear]

Can't they make it with CBD? or am I thinking of Delta 8?

 

[moe.red]

Interesting. So once again genetics plays the major factor in acquiring a particular effect. Is there a particular stage of growth where you would find higher ratios of THCp like when they harvest early for particular cannabanoids or is it purely strain specific?

I don't know. I would need a plant with measurable qty to start testing with. I am not aware of anyone that has one.

 

[moe.red]

Can't they make it with CBD? or am I thinking of Delta 8?

Exactly right. What you bought was lab made created with CBD as the start molecule.