Winter Run

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

Alright, so we wrapping up our last run. Really wished we had documented it here, but works been crazy for the both of us.

Here are some pics from the last run, we got some Trop Cherry that's at day 60. Likely still has a week or so left. Still lots of clear heads and white pistils.


Glitter bomb that just got the chop at couple days ago, 59F.




Last run really couldn't have been done without everyone here's help. Know we don't post much but the information on here has honestly been amazing.

Finally up to this starting run.





It's a mix of all our next run///new moms but we are going to be running (4) Donny Burger#5, (4) Durban Poison, and 4 Jelly Breath's from a previous run documented...else where. We kept two cuts from that run. Want to run them again and see if they herm///throw massive donkey dick nugs again. We at about a week from cut, and pretty much all of them have just shot roots through the starter cube.

 

[MDK]

That trop cherry is just a beauty. You got a prime example, well done

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

Our only concern with that Trop Cherry is the terps. Smells like light citrus and cardboard. Up until about a week ago it had no smell what so ever. Could be the strain, could be our grow. The Glitter Bomb on the other hand has an aroma that even the filters can't keep at bay, absolutely amazing smell to them.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Beautiful work, wow!

So glad to hear you have found a great resource here at Bud Builders! Thank you for sayin so

 

[Anthem275]

Our only concern with that Trop Cherry is the terps. Smells like light citrus and cardboard. Up until about a week ago it had no smell what so ever. Could be the strain, could be our grow. The Glitter Bomb on the other hand has an aroma that even the filters can't keep at bay, absolutely amazing smell to them.

I have grown trop cherry twice. Both came out with a very loud terp profile of citrus and a floral background on the back end.

 

[Max]

were these in seed form than a cut mate.maybe you had a different pheno..

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

were these in seed form than a cut mate.maybe you had a different pheno..

Cut, should be a Relentless Trop Cherry #8.

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

So we chopped the Trop Cherry at 66F.


So the terps came in, but damn it made us wait. Legit didn't smell like much till 60F. Anthem's assessment seems to be right on. Strong citrus smell, almost orange smelling, mixed with floral. The floral really comes through.

About a week in on the Glitter Bomb dry. Didn't snap any pics, but if there was only a way to send smell. Smells like sweet armpit funk.



Next run was transplanted. They looked a little beat, did all the work in the garage with the door open and it 48F out, probably didn't do us any favors. Either way, not bad for 8 Days since cut.


Most Recent update. 10 Days since cut. One is being dramatic because we forgot to water her :/ Either way we a couple extra cuts of each, worst comes to worst.
Water is just a mix of RO, Hormex and Clonex. No food yet.
Temp: 88F
RH: 87%
PPFD: 75
PPM: 375

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

Been a few weeks, but back with an update.

Will start with the results of the last grow.

Ended up with just about 2lbs of Glitter Bomb and just over 2lbs of Trop Cherry.



Not bad for two tents.

Here are some shots of the buds themselves.

Glitter Bomb:


Trop Cherry:


Without a doubt, our most successful run.

On to the next:
We are at pretty much exactly 30 days since cut. Learned a few things about climate control, and how strong the little ones like their water.

Kind of a hot mess of cuts in there. Some of the next run, a bunch of moms. The real lanky lookn fucks in the back are the Jelly Breaths. Going to have to top them soon.



We also had an extra Grape Gas and Trop Cherry cut that we decided to flower in a 2x4 we normally use for veg.

Temp: 70F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 150
PPM: 1050

 

[SSgrower]

Thanks for the views, very respectable yield on both those cultivars, Happy Hoilday's for you & yours. SSgrower

 

[smoke]

Nice looking harvest, imagine what you could do with 4 tents

 

[steamroller]

Well done and looking good~!
That's a nice size harvest IMO~!

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

No more interesting updates for a while now, just getting into the final days of veg before the flip. Plan to flip them 1/5/24.

First up is the Jelly Breath's and the Lemon Cherry Gelato. We swapped out the Durban Poison because we lost most of the clones. Whoops :/ Anyways, found out we were way underfeeding them.



They've all been topped and transplanted into their final pots. They were topped aggressively, goal was to have 3-4 main tops. Some of the LCG weren't topped since they were a little more runty than the other cuts.

Next up are the Donny Burger #5's.


Topped and in their final pots. Also in their final tent. Got a new dimmer from HLG. MY GOD. Didn't realize how bad that dimmer had got. Will start CO2 around the start of flower.
Last we got the Grape Gas and Trop Cherry we decided to flower. Going to flip them at the same time.

Grape Gas is recovering well from the transplant and topping. Hoping the rest of the grow does as well.

Temp: 70F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 250
PPM: 1050

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

1F

First up are the Jelly Breath's. These are two cuts we kept from a seed run last year.



They aren't the happiest looking plants, but they seem to have some healthy growth. The moms also always seemed to have some droopy leaves.

Next is the Lemon Cherry Gelatos.


Two were topped two were not. Wife wanted to try things with the trellis net and raising it as we go.

Grape gas and the Trop Cherry.


We know the trop Cherry won't stretch much. The grape gas on the other hand will stretch, a lot. So our goal is to keep the grape gas as even with the trop cherry with various trainings. Prolly won't go as planned, but oh well.

Last up is the Donny Burgers.

These girls like to grow straight up. As such, they were topped pretty early on. Going to let them stretch a bit into the net then start filling in the tent.
Temp: 74F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 400
PPM: 1050

Switched to our 'flowering' water. Just 2.5gr/g Jacks A/B and 5ml/g purpinator for a little more PK.

 

[Observer]

1F

First up are the Jelly Breath's. These are two cuts we kept from a seed run last year.
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They aren't the happiest looking plants, but they seem to have some healthy growth. The moms also always seemed to have some droopy leaves.

Next is the Lemon Cherry Gelatos.
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Two were topped two were not. Wife wanted to try things with the trellis net and raising it as we go.

Grape gas and the Trop Cherry.
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We know the trop Cherry won't stretch much. The grape gas on the other hand will stretch, a lot. So our goal is to keep the grape gas as even with the trop cherry with various trainings. Prolly won't go as planned, but oh well.

Last up is the Donny Burgers.
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These girls like to grow straight up. As such, they were topped pretty early on. Going to let them stretch a bit into the net then start filling in the tent.
Temp: 74F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 400
PPM: 1050

Switched to our 'flowering' water. Just 2.5gr/g Jacks A/B and 5ml/g purpinator for a little more PK.

Hell yea ,

Little cold, though, no?

Clean.

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

Issue we run into with turning the heater up more is it dry's the air out way too much. Even with a humidifier in the tent the micro climates around the plants goes south.

Once we get later into flower the temps will get higher just from how much heat the driver will be putting off. It's already up 4 degrees just form going from 250 ppfd to 400ppfd.

 

[Observer]

Issue we run into with turning the heater up more is it dry's the air out way too much. Even with a humidifier in the tent the micro climates around the plants goes south.

Once we get later into flower the temps will get higher just from how much heat the driver will be putting off. It's already up 4 degrees just form going from 250 ppfd to 400ppfd.

I gotcha

Well looks good man

 

[Anthem275]

1F

First up are the Jelly Breath's. These are two cuts we kept from a seed run last year.
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They aren't the happiest looking plants, but they seem to have some healthy growth. The moms also always seemed to have some droopy leaves.

Next is the Lemon Cherry Gelatos.
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Two were topped two were not. Wife wanted to try things with the trellis net and raising it as we go.

Grape gas and the Trop Cherry.
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We know the trop Cherry won't stretch much. The grape gas on the other hand will stretch, a lot. So our goal is to keep the grape gas as even with the trop cherry with various trainings. Prolly won't go as planned, but oh well.

Last up is the Donny Burgers.
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These girls like to grow straight up. As such, they were topped pretty early on. Going to let them stretch a bit into the net then start filling in the tent.
Temp: 74F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 400
PPM: 1050

Switched to our 'flowering' water. Just 2.5gr/g Jacks A/B and 5ml/g purpinator for a little more PK.

what Jacks recipe are you using. I have in the past ran the 5-12-26 but that is suggested as a 3 part.

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

2.5gr of the 5-12-26 per gal
2.5gr of the 15-0-0 18Ca per gal
.6ml of PowerSI per gal
1ml of Orca per gal
5ml of Purpinator per gal

Run 3:1 RO-tap water mix.

I used to do the 3-2-1, but have had a lot more success recently running it as 2.5./2.5 and cutting out the Magnesium Sulfate.

 

[SSgrower]

1F

First up are the Jelly Breath's. These are two cuts we kept from a seed run last year.
View attachment 37450
View attachment 37447

They aren't the happiest looking plants, but they seem to have some healthy growth. The moms also always seemed to have some droopy leaves.

Next is the Lemon Cherry Gelatos.
View attachment 37448View attachment 37449

Two were topped two were not. Wife wanted to try things with the trellis net and raising it as we go.

Grape gas and the Trop Cherry.
View attachment 37452View attachment 37451

We know the trop Cherry won't stretch much. The grape gas on the other hand will stretch, a lot. So our goal is to keep the grape gas as even with the trop cherry with various trainings. Prolly won't go as planned, but oh well.

Last up is the Donny Burgers.
View attachment 37453View attachment 37454
These girls like to grow straight up. As such, they were topped pretty early on. Going to let them stretch a bit into the net then start filling in the tent.
Temp: 74F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 400
PPM: 1050

Switched to our 'flowering' water. Just 2.5gr/g Jacks A/B and 5ml/g purpinator for a little more PK.

Spartan Grown likes the "Triple Donnyburger" and uses it to make his "Spartan's Puke", as a newer breeder. SS Try Rooted Leaf Cal/mag Fuel by Agritech, better feel, Si is slimy, and better price. I use it and their Silica Skin.

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

So.

We at 4F and they’re off to the races.

First up is the Donny Burgers. We were hoping the aggressive topping would yield 4-5 strong tops. And for the most part that looks like what we are going to get. Still debating if we want to drop the net on them and then possibly a second one, or let the tops grow into the net and use it to make the canopy. Either way aggressive growth over the last few days, roots have hit the bottom of the pots.


Lemmon Cherry Gelatos are growing well. The un-topped girls are a little more stretchy. Lots of strong healthy growth.



Jelly Breaths are looking good, but lanky. Girls got some gaps between those nodes. They also throwing big fugly three finger fan leaves from when we topped them. They don't handle stress well and had already previously hermed on us, so yeah....




Last the Grape Gas and Trop Cherry. The healthiest of the bunch by a long shot.

Grape Gas has incredible, strong, growth in the main tops.


Trop cherry looking incredible. Noticed during our last run she didn't stretch much, and this run appears to be more of the same. Amazing lateral branching. Need to clean her up a bit, but will save that for 21F.


Happy with the progress. Not super thrilled with the Jelly Breaths right now. They were the best two phenos out of a pack of 10 we ran. Still not sure if we wanna keep either. They don't seem to handle stress well, and tend to have some wicked stretch to them.

Temp: 74F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 450
PPM: 1050

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

Another somewhat boring update.

8F. Over all quite happy with them. The Jelly Breaths are still a bit meh. Hoping by the end of the stretch temps will warm up a bit and please them a bit more.

Donny Burgers: Stretch is pretty decent for 8 days. With another 2 weeks or so ahead of them, we're hoping they'll double in size again.


Grape Gas and Trop Cherry: Hoping to keep the Grape Gas some what inline with the trop cherry. The TC is a much more squat plant. Already have her raised up to try to keep up.


The Lemon Cherry Gelato: Decided this is the wife's tent. She is going to use the net how she wants to. In any case, the growth is great across the board. Looking back we wished we had topped all 4. We like the structure of the topped ones much more than the uncut ladies.


Jelly Breaths: So going to assume the cold is starting to get to them. The tent can hit as low as 55 in the morning when lights are off. Sadly I don't have a spare breaker on my sub-panel to safe run another heater. They still have strong growth, they just look, droopy all the time.


We have upped the PPFD to around 550. Some spots are seeing 600+ but not many. They're drinking about 1L of water a day. We hit them with about 3L every 3 days. Eventually they'll get up to around 3L+ of water a day, but for now we're using the dry backs to, hopefully, stack the media a bit. With the increase in PPFD comes the increase in temps, and in this case a massive win. Temps in the tents are now all sitting at 75F+ with lights on. Two of the tents are sitting at 80F, and this is much closer to the VPD we want. Bud sites are starting to appear, which means the end of our IPM cycle nears.

Temp: 78F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 550
PPM: 1050

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

Sadly I don't have a spare breaker on my sub-panel to safe run another heater.

Have you thought of putting one of those split breakers in your sub panel to get two circuits out of one space in the panel? Could be an easy fix to get another circuit.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

They actually call them Tandem Breakers. These things bailed me out when I did my kitchen remodel. Had an electrician friend help me with the re-wiring and he got me a sub panel that was smaller than we needed and didn't realize it till we were committed, if you get my drift. Ended up running a few of these tandem breakers and got the circuits I needed without having to pull that box and put a larger one in.

https://www.amazon.com/Source-HOMT2020CP-Homeline-Tandem-Circuitbreaker/dp/B00002N7MY/ref=asc_df_B00002N7MY/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242022044358&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10974211864453147048&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021166&hvtargid=pla-529511530287&psc=1&mcid=b199e18fdd5b347c8e304d7c26ee2633&gclid=CjwKCAiAqY6tBhAtEiwAHeRopRsMxe4AA3fgZZVvNSxYxqoB_lVHPg_faa9JyCWHv820jpV_S5yjsRoCCvoQAvD_BwE

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

Hmm interesting I had not. That seems like it might do the trick. Time to order another heater!

 

[GrumpAzz]

They actually call them Tandem Breakers. These things bailed me out when I did my kitchen remodel. Had an electrician friend help me with the re-wiring and he got me a sub panel that was smaller than we needed and didn't realize it till we were committed, if you get my drift. Ended up running a few of these tandem breakers and got the circuits I needed without having to pull that box and put a larger one in.

https://www.amazon.com/Source-HOMT2020CP-Homeline-Tandem-Circuitbreaker/dp/B00002N7MY/ref=asc_df_B00002N7MY/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242022044358&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10974211864453147048&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021166&hvtargid=pla-529511530287&psc=1&mcid=b199e18fdd5b347c8e304d7c26ee2633&gclid=CjwKCAiAqY6tBhAtEiwAHeRopRsMxe4AA3fgZZVvNSxYxqoB_lVHPg_faa9JyCWHv820jpV_S5yjsRoCCvoQAvD_BwE

Slims for the win

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

12F.

Started the stacking phase. We had three clones that we were going to toss. Decided we weren't going to toss them. Thanks to the advice from @SweetLeafGrow we now have another heater safely powered up and running to the Jelly Breath tent. Tonight is going to be the first night with the heater, so hopefully we will see some improvement. We also dropped the PPFD to 450 a few days ago, and they seemed to respond well to that.


The wife's tent with the Lemon Cherry Gelato's is looking very good. Looks like she's going to be able to fill out the tent completely by the end of the stretch. Got some great before and after shots of her handy work.
Before:


After:


The Donny Burgers are looking great. They've started budding up well. I'm expecting more stretch to come and wanna keep that net a tad higher for now.


The Grape Gas and Trop Cherry are just fucking killing it. Going to have to bump the Trop Cherry up a bit more here soon, but otherwise gawd damn.


The picture doesn't do it justice, but the Trop Cherry buds are starting to show their color. Likely due to the lights off temps hovering right at 70F.


Over all things are looking solid across the board. With the storms hitting the bay area, things have been much warmer, making most nights drop to the mid 50's. PPFD has gone up as they grow into the lights. Most tents are sitting at a cool 600PPFD. Some Spots are 700ish. They seem to be handling it well for now. Keeping an eye on their shenanigans.

Temp: 78F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 675+
PPM: 1050

 

[CookiesLikeWhoa]

15F.

Another nothing burger of a update really. Over all the ladies are looking good, even the Jelly Breaths. At least supports the idea that they were colder than they preferred. Everyone's up to about 1.5L of water a day. Watering 3L every other day and that's about as much water as the pot can hold. We will have to switch to a daily cadence and that will be the end of the long dry backs. Still watering to <5% run off.

Start off with the Donny Burgers. Decided to drop the net on them. Gave them the old karate chop.
Before:

After:

Wife's Lemon Cherry Gelatos are looking excellent. She wants to do a second layer of net in the next couple of days, think that's a solid move too.


Grape Gas and Trop Cherry. Killing it. That one grape gas top getting like 1000+PPFD. Seems to be taking it fine for now. Keeping a close eye on that.


Trop Cherry Color for real coming in. Much more obvious now.


Jelly Breath and company. Finally these girls are looking as happy as they are growing. Three other ladies are stretching straight up, so that will be fun in like a week and half.


Big win with the Jelly breaths finally on the right track. Feel like after the last watering the Burgers stretched enough for me to want to bend them all over. Here's to seeing how good of an idea this was. So far thinking the wife's move of dropping the next on them right off the bat may be the move. Grape Gas/Trop Cherry Tent have a few sites really taking some photons to the face. If they continue to take it, sheesh, should get some real hogs outta them.

Temp: 78F
RH: 65%
PPFD: 675+
PPM: 1050

 

[SSgrower]

Slims for the win

Some have 30 amp circuits with a 20. Can a home use that extra for a grow room?

 

[GrumpAzz]

Some have 30 amp circuits with a 20. Can a home use that extra for a grow room?

You wouldn't want to install a 30 amp breaker in place of anything but another 30 amp breaker because of wire sizing issues.

Those slim 30/20's are made to be installed in pairs so that you can slim down a double-pole 30 allowing you to turn that space into 4 seperate circuits while allowing your 30 amp circuit to stay on the A and B phases.