AI in the grow

[Zen_seeker]

It was the first thing I did, when I bought the lamp. I actually ordered the cable from Photontek, in my original order. It was one of the smaller reasons I bought it for...completely compatible with my 69 Pro +. I also purchased an adapter from ACI.

Did the 600w come with the staged dimmer like this?

 

[OLDCRO]

Did the 600w come with the staged dimmer like this?View attachment 103570

Both the 600 and the 2000 square came with this

 

[Zen_seeker]

Both the 600 and the 2000 square came with this

Thanks for the feedback. Do you have any limitations?

• PHOTONTEK - X, XT, SQ Series that are compatible with their Dimmer to RJ12 Adapter (Limited Dimming Range)

 

[Tremojem]

Did the 600w come with the staged dimmer like this?View attachment 103570

Yes and I ordered this too.

https://photontek-lighting.com/led/photontek-led-driver-5m-extension-cable/

 

[Tremojem]

Thanks for the feedback. Do you have any limitations?

• PHOTONTEK - X, XT, SQ Series that are compatible with their Dimmer to RJ12 Adapter (Limited Dimming Range)

No.
I am able to change any parameters at any time, right on my phone. No limitations on any functionality with regard to the lamp and ACI app.

 

[Zen_seeker]

No.
I am able to change any parameters at any time, right on my phone. No limitations on any functionality with regard to the lamp and ACI app.

G$ reminded me that the 67 won’t support lights. Need the 69 or higher, which came out right after I bought my fans.

 

[Tremojem]

That sucks.

I have literally purchased 4 ACI controllers. Always upgraded. Still using the outlet controller for simple lower canopy floor fans, and led lamp brick cooling, which is kept outside of tent.

 

[Zen_seeker]

That sucks.

I have literally purchased 4 ACI controllers. Always upgraded. Still using the outlet controller for simple lower canopy floor fans, and led lamp brick cooling, which is kept outside of tent.

I’ve got two 67’s but only the Photontek has the RJ11. Debating if I want to buy the 69 and UIS type-A. Son owes me a birthday/Father’s Day gift and the 69 is on sale…so maybe…

 

[Tremojem]

I wouldn't purchase anything less than a 69 Pro +.

AI+ $169
69 Pro+ $139

I would go for the AI+. Just add "Bassdropkeys" for an additional 10% off. Or use any other YT promotional code.

The AI+ is on sale now at $30 off. From $199 to $169. Just saying.

 

[OLDCRO]

I wouldn't purchase anything less than a 69 Pro +.

AI+ $169
69 Pro+ $139

I would go for the AI+. Just add "Bassdropkeys" for an additional 10% off. Or use any other YT promotional code.

The AI+ is on sale now at $30 off. From $199 to $169. Just saying.

Thats US prices

 

[Rootsruler]

I wouldn't purchase anything less than a 69 Pro +.

AI+ $169
69 Pro+ $139

I would go for the AI+. Just add "Bassdropkeys" for an additional 10% off. Or use any other YT promotional code.

The AI+ is on sale now at $30 off. From $199 to $169. Just saying.

Dammit! So close to pulling out the plastic......

The thing is, right now with the 67, it does everything I need it to do for the most part. The only thing I wish is if I was able to control the humidifier through the controller but the T3 has its own monitoring and I'm able to adjust the difference in readings on the controller so they match up so while it would be nice to have it all on one controller I'm able to get the same results with a little more effort. The only other thing that I would need to connect to the controller would be a fan for air movement inside the tent. I have a few of the ACI V2 fans but I think I'm going to be ditching those and going with the box fan above the canopy idea. When I do upgrade my controller maybe I'll pickup a UIS controller and hook the box fan to it so that the controller can regulate the fan speed if I see that it works well.......

I'll get all excited about buying a new controller only to remind myself that it really isn't "necessary". When I buy stuff I always ask myself "Do you want this or do you need this?" Need gets the purchase to go to the front of the line. Want has me think about if parting with my dough is worth what this thing will do for me that I can't already do for myself.

Perfect example is the recent purchase I made. The humidifiers in the tent need twice a day fillups. Sometimes, depending on what time I get home from work, they'll both be empty and humi levels will have dropped to 32%. I decided to run a water level control valve in each so that I don't have to constantly be refilling the humi's along with not stressing the girls out with the wide swing in levels.

$20 for two valves. Before I bought them, I tried to size them the best I could to fit inside the humi reservoir. After physically fitting them I'm excited to say that they fit perfectly inside the res. All I need to do is drill a small hole in the lid, attach the valve to the lid and connect the valve to my water source. For now, I'm going to connect it to a 5-gallon bucket and let it gravity feed as needed. 5 gallons should last at least a couple days. I want to make sure the system is water tight and there are no issues before I connect it to the house water supply.

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

I'm going to be ditching those and going with the box fan above the canopy

The fan box above is a good idea!! I may have to rig up something similar to that

I decided to run a water level control valve in each so that I don't have to constantly be refilling the humi's along with not stressing the girls out with the wide swing in levels.

Not a bad idea either! Once I get enough room I want to b able automate as much as possible, just cuz I'm getting lazy and just wanna check on em daily to catch problems early on

 

[Bandit420]

G$ reminded me that the 67 won’t support lights. Need the 69 or higher, which came out right after I bought my fans.

I thought I was running my UV lights off a 67?
Now I'm really confused. Maybe it's a 69 and the other I have is a 69pro or at least I think that's what it is.
Actually now that I think about it...The drivers of the UV wouldn't work thru the controller so I bypassed them and used a UIS plug to gain control of a schedule. So maybe that's how I get them to run off a 67? IDK.
What I do know is after this grow I'm tearing it all down to rebuild with the AI and for now, make intake and exhaust and at least two fans wireless. Possibly 4 fans if I can still daisy chain with the wireless.

All I really want from AI is a heads up alert to tell me "hey just in case you forget, shit's trending to you needing to water tomorrow" and I'd be like "Cool little techy gadget, thanks for helping out!" and I plan to water

The soft launch and preorder stuff is annoying. I much prefer everything or nothing and let me know what's coming so I can make better choices. I think this will be the 4th time in 3 years I've changed up my ACI gear layout. Granted each time it has been improved or streamlined better but dang.
The free fans were nice though.

 

[Rootsruler]

I thought I was running my UV lights off a 67?
Now I'm really confused. Maybe it's a 69 and the other I have is a 69pro or at least I think that's what it is.
Actually now that I think about it...The drivers of the UV wouldn't work thru the controller so I bypassed them and used a UIS plug to gain control of a schedule. So maybe that's how I get them to run off a 67? IDK.
What I do know is after this grow I'm tearing it all down to rebuild with the AI and for now, make intake and exhaust and at least two fans wireless. Possibly 4 fans if I can still daisy chain with the wireless.

All I really want from AI is a heads up alert to tell me "hey just in case you forget, shit's trending to you needing to water tomorrow" and I'd be like "Cool little techy gadget, thanks for helping out!" and I plan to water

The soft launch and preorder stuff is annoying. I much prefer everything or nothing and let me know what's coming so I can make better choices. I think this will be the 4th time in 3 years I've changed up my ACI gear layout. Granted each time it has been improved or streamlined better but dang.
The free fans were nice though.

Totally agree. Probably the only complaint I have with the company.

If you're going to release an AI driven controller to control EVERYTHING include what devices you'll be releasing that you'll need to do that so you can plan your rig accordingly.

Honestly, with the AI controller rollout, I'm waiting for the newb post talking about how his AI controller forgot to tell him to water..........

 

[Bandit420]

Here we go!



I'm taking baby steps with my new environment control and still not even sure how or if AI can add or help in any ways here.

First thing is I need to find out if I can use the wireless transmitters in a way that allows one transmitter to control two fans. It may not be possible.
There may also be some trade off there.
Like to be wireless, each fan or device needs to be plugged in.
But if using the UIS daisy chain feature then only one device needs to be plugged into a power outlet.

If this is what I think it is, the daisy chain feature is way more applicable to growing than wireless transmission.
Right now, I see wireless as being good for only one fan and in a very small tent. And it's not like it makes the fan wireless either, It still needs to be plugged in so the only wire not being used is a UIS.

The AI controller has two ports for sensors so that's where the moisture probe and environment probe will plug into. Later on there will be CO2 and pH/TDS probes so that means two ports will come up way short there and it will lead to a new controller being needed, one that has at least 4 sensor ports. So in a way, this new AI controller has already outdated itself by only having two probe ports.

Given that it's two ports, I plan on using both for soil probes so any triggers I'd use to control environment I assume will not work. Not using the environment sensor also reduces the controller to a single zone reading instead of dual. Basically, I've traded soil moisture probing for VPD on the control priority totem pole.

I'd like to see the soil probes have battery power and not be wired. That's where I was really hoping I'd be able to use the wireless gear but that looks like a no-go.

 

[Tremojem]

Nice haul there.

 

[OLDCRO]

Here we go!

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I'm taking baby steps with my new environment control and still not even sure how or if AI can add or help in any ways here.

First thing is I need to find out if I can use the wireless transmitters in a way that allows one transmitter to control two fans. It may not be possible.
There may also be some trade off there.
Like to be wireless, each fan or device needs to be plugged in.
But if using the UIS daisy chain feature then only one device needs to be plugged into a power outlet.

If this is what I think it is, the daisy chain feature is way more applicable to growing than wireless transmission.
Right now, I see wireless as being good for only one fan and in a very small tent. And it's not like it makes the fan wireless either, It still needs to be plugged in so the only wire not being used is a UIS.

The AI controller has two ports for sensors so that's where the moisture probe and environment probe will plug into. Later on there will be CO2 and pH/TDS probes so that means two ports will come up way short there and it will lead to a new controller being needed, one that has at least 4 sensor ports. So in a way, this new AI controller has already outdated itself by only having two probe ports.

Given that it's two ports, I plan on using both for soil probes so any triggers I'd use to control environment I assume will not work. Not using the environment sensor also reduces the controller to a single zone reading instead of dual. Basically, I've traded soil moisture probing for VPD on the control priority totem pole.

I'd like to see the soil probes have battery power and not be wired. That's where I was really hoping I'd be able to use the wireless gear but that looks like a no-go.

I use the ecowitt moisture probes and with the hub can moniter 8 moisture probes. Also the probes are wireless battery operated . Work very well for me.

 

[Bandit420]

Nice haul there.

Ordered it the same day I ordered the Xhale so it was like a slow shipping jinx
I'm not sure I can use some of the parts the way I intended but sure they'll be useful for something else.
Also may need some male to female adapters for what I want to do.

I use the ecowitt moisture probes and with the hub can moniter 8 moisture probes. Also the probes are wireless battery operated . Work very well for me.

I'm taking this system for a spin to link soil moisture to environment control.
I'd like to correlate light intensity to drought as well as air movement and exchange to soil moisture. Also chart soil moisture to environment conditions for a more predictable routine
So instead of using triggers like timers/temp/rh/vpd to turn devices on or off, I wanna try to use soil moisture as the automated trigger and also with the two probes, take readings from deep and shallow depths then see if the AI in this gadget can tune it.

 

[Bandit420]

I cannot use a splitter dongle to get the wireless transmitters to work with more than one device so it's one transmitter per device, per port, if you want wireless which is really half wireless still needing the plug but not the UIS cable.

Personally, I feel like being able to daisy chain the UIS and eliminate a cord at the plug is a much more useful feature than wireless for me. I also like running two fans off one port which wireless doesn't allow.
The wireless will come in handy for the exhaust and air movers up in the rafters of my grow but I was really hoping I'd be able to make everything and especially the moisture probes wireless.

 

[Bandit420]

Orientation day

Inside temp display is replaced by one moisture sensor so far




Control parameters to link a device to soil moisture.

From here I could use soil moisture to trigger a pump to water the garden as well as adjust environment and or light intensity.
I could daisy chain the devices as well so one moisture probe port could control several fans or pumps at the same time but each one would have to do the same function.
I've also set it to start charting moisture so I can watch how water uptake happens day to day

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Orientation day

Inside temp display is replaced by one moisture sensor so far

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Control parameters to link a device to soil moisture.

From here I could use soil moisture to trigger a pump to water the garden as well as adjust environment and or light intensity.
I could daisy chain the devices as well so one moisture probe port could control several fans or pumps at the same time but each one would have to do the same function.
I've also set it to start charting moisture so I can watch how water uptake happens day to day

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Trying to follow along. Are you saying that you're restricted to choosing a single plant for the moisture probe and can control multiple devices set to target readings from the soil moisture reading, but have to assume the plants without the soil moisture probe have the same conditions as the probed plant?

 

[Bandit420]

Trying to follow along. Are you saying that you're restricted to choosing a single plant for the moisture probe and can control multiple devices set to target readings from the soil moisture reading, but have to assume the plants without the soil moisture probe have the same conditions as the probed plant?

Yes the way this is designed it's one moisture probe per garden or per controller.
I plan to work around this by using at least two probes but unplug one or the other since I do not believe it will take data from two probes at the same time.

This is an area where AI leaves me very skeptical. It can only adapt and learn from the data it records. If the data it records is lacking information then how can it adapt and learn if it doesn't have the whole enchilada of data?
Right now, taking data from one plant but not from the other 11 is only having a little over 8% of the needed info to learn from it. IDK of anything that can learn something from only 8%. Can somebody learn a new language with only 8% of an alphabet?

With that though yes I can control a myriad of devices that will be controlled by a set moisture point off that probe. There's 8 ports for devices on the controller and with splitter dongles I can increase that to as many as 32 but I can't imagine needing 32 fans and pumps here. At least not yet

Today I'm gonna deep dive into the system and get clarity on a plan and how to execute that plan.
I doubt 'll give total control to this device but I do want it to learn and correlate environment to soil moisture and basically help me be a better meteorologist and weather manipulator in the grow room.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Yes the way this is designed it's one moisture probe per garden or per controller.
I plan to work around this by using at least two probes but unplug one or the other since I do not believe it will take data from two probes at the same time.

This is an area where AI leaves me very skeptical. It can only adapt and learn from the data it records. If the data it records is lacking information then how can it adapt and learn if it doesn't have the whole enchilada of data?
Right now, taking data from one plant but not from the other 11 is only having a little over 8% of the needed info to learn from it. IDK of anything that can learn something from only 8%. Can somebody learn a new language with only 8% of an alphabet?

With that though yes I can control a myriad of devices that will be controlled by a set moisture point off that probe. There's 8 ports for devices on the controller and with splitter dongles I can increase that to as many as 32 but I can't imagine needing 32 fans and pumps here. At least not yet

Today I'm gonna deep dive into the system and get clarity on a plan and how to execute that plan.
I doubt 'll give total control to this device but I do want it to learn and correlate environment to soil moisture and basically help me be a better meteorologist and weather manipulator in the grow room.

A quick poke around the internet shows you aren't the only one trying to figure out a way to connect to more sensors. I'm a little surprised that there aren't techy people out there developing and sharing hacks. Maybe an open source UI would be a good thing for some company in the grow industry.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Trying to follow along. Are you saying that you're restricted to choosing a single plant for the moisture probe and can control multiple devices set to target readings from the soil moisture reading, but have to assume the plants without the soil moisture probe have the same conditions as the probed plant?

I do that with hygrometers in my jars. If I’m short on hygrometers I use at least one for every plant I jar, they all have moisture packs.

It actually works pretty well. Not sure if I’d do it for a moisture probe on a grow though. I’m interested in how he’s going to juggle the ports vs what his goals are. Working around the limitations or obstacles.

 

[Bandit420]

I had a weird and rather frustrating day yesterday but now it's all resolved. Sometimes I'm not good with tech and yesterday was one of those days.
Started with a firmware update and spiraled from there.
Anyways...After deleting and uploading the app on two IOS devices and after setting up a specific 2.4ghz guest wifi since my wifi offers both 2.4 and 5g.... The device is dependent on deciding between the two much like Alexa uses 2.4ghz while automatically ignoring the 5g.... This controller doesn't do that so I had to designate a 2.4ghz network for it...... After deleting and reconnecting the controller a few times off the app, everything decided to click and work to perfection just as I was about to throw it out the window and set it on fire.

TLDR version- Firmware update was an asshole, I hated it, but now I like it

A quick poke around the internet shows you aren't the only one trying to figure out a way to connect to more sensors. I'm a little surprised that there aren't techy people out there developing and sharing hacks. Maybe an open source UI would be a good thing for some company in the grow industry.

You're right on there!

I was hoping by letting almost a year go by and let others jump on it and find the issues first I'd get past the early glitches and limits. I think every grower will try to use it different from the next or at least have differing variables.
My thing is all the old tech is fine and dandy don't fix what's not broken. I doubt anybody will ever say AI took a 15% THC cut and made it a 20% but maybe it can make up or prevent a grower error or two. The soil moisture thing is what really grabbed me because around here and growing in this heat, it's a major factor.
i use yucca extract for heat & drought tolerance so my plants can be dry but not wilt. That throws me off trying to read them and gauge watering needs needing to rely on lifting a pot or poke my finger down to see if it's dry. To have that on a chart will be really helpful and to also fine tune the air according as well...Maybe let it get a little humid when dry or turn off some soil level fans when dry but have them turn on after watering.
It would also be nice to have either/or triggers but at this price point I doubt we'll see that.

I do that with hygrometers in my jars. If I’m short on hygrometers I use at least one for every plant I jar, they all have moisture packs.

It actually works pretty well. Not sure if I’d do it for a moisture probe on a grow though. I’m interested in how he’s going to juggle the ports vs what his goals are. Working around the limitations or obstacles.

I think I'll have the AI controller doing a lot of the more technical stuff while my spare 69+pros will pick up the slack on lesser devices and on the other side of the room so there won't be anymore 20' long stretches of UIS cables.

I was planning on using ACI automated pH doser but not sure when it will be available. It would plug into this AI system as well so then it would be a real pickle deciding between pH control, soil moisture, or dual zone environment control/display.
I appreciate this tech and really appreciate the price point which ACI offers it but there's real world grower issues it often ignores like that. We're all not in an apartment closet with central air and heat growing a single plant and I wish ACI would consider that sometimes.

 

[Bandit420]

More steps taken today completing the install and learning the system.

In normal controller mode I can use the moisture sensor as a trigger on a device but in AI mode the only thing moisture will do is trigger a pump to raise the moisture by watering the garden.
Eventually I will get into that but that's like step 18 and I'm only on step 3 so far.

To build my system, along with the controller, I'm using two UIS plugs, one for heat and one for cooling, a 4 way splitter dongle to operate up to four fans from one port, 5 wireless transmitters, and that soil probe.
I'm a long ways from those nice diagram pics





On the backside of the controller mount is a strap to hold the wads of power and sensor cables and I've mounted the 4 way splitter to the backside here




AI taking over



On the main screen I have two lights, exhaust, AC/heat, and soil level air circulation on AI.
My intake is seasonal being night time intake only during Summer but in Winter I can change it to AI and use it as cooling and fresh air intake.
For now it's fresh air only at night between the hours of 10pm and 8am. I consider this an inevitable variable AI will have to compensate for just like I have been doing manually all these years.
Another inevitable variable is light cooling.
It's controlled by the controller but set for timing to sync up with the lights. It's sole purpose is to pull hot air off the lights to the exhaust so it's a must have the AI will need to work around.
Port 8 is actually the 4 way splitter and will control 4 air mover fans. Once installed those too will go on AI control.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

I had a weird and rather frustrating day yesterday but now it's all resolved. Sometimes I'm not good with tech and yesterday was one of those days.
Started with a firmware update and spiraled from there.
Anyways...After deleting and uploading the app on two IOS devices and after setting up a specific 2.4ghz guest wifi since my wifi offers both 2.4 and 5g.... The device is dependent on deciding between the two much like Alexa uses 2.4ghz while automatically ignoring the 5g.... This controller doesn't do that so I had to designate a 2.4ghz network for it...... After deleting and reconnecting the controller a few times off the app, everything decided to click and work to perfection just as I was about to throw it out the window and set it on fire.

TLDR version- Firmware update was an asshole, I hated it, but now I like it



You're right on there!

I was hoping by letting almost a year go by and let others jump on it and find the issues first I'd get past the early glitches and limits. I think every grower will try to use it different from the next or at least have differing variables.
My thing is all the old tech is fine and dandy don't fix what's not broken. I doubt anybody will ever say AI took a 15% THC cut and made it a 20% but maybe it can make up or prevent a grower error or two. The soil moisture thing is what really grabbed me because around here and growing in this heat, it's a major factor.
i use yucca extract for heat & drought tolerance so my plants can be dry but not wilt. That throws me off trying to read them and gauge watering needs needing to rely on lifting a pot or poke my finger down to see if it's dry. To have that on a chart will be really helpful and to also fine tune the air according as well...Maybe let it get a little humid when dry or turn off some soil level fans when dry but have them turn on after watering.
It would also be nice to have either/or triggers but at this price point I doubt we'll see that.




I think I'll have the AI controller doing a lot of the more technical stuff while my spare 69+pros will pick up the slack on lesser devices and on the other side of the room so there won't be anymore 20' long stretches of UIS cables.

I was planning on using ACI automated pH doser but not sure when it will be available. It would plug into this AI system as well so then it would be a real pickle deciding between pH control, soil moisture, or dual zone environment control/display.
I appreciate this tech and really appreciate the price point which ACI offers it but there's real world grower issues it often ignores like that. We're all not in an apartment closet with central air and heat growing a single plant and I wish ACI would consider that sometimes.

Not AI-related, but I had a learning experience that helped me relate to some comments that I think you and some others shared on here. It was about preferring timers AC's controllers, for some things. I might have been misunderstanding something and didn't study on what was being said, Maybe the discussion was driven by reliability.

Anyway, we had a power blip on Thursday. Thunderstorms occurring every evening here recently. The blip was just enough to make us have to reset digital clocks on everything. Otherwise, we didn't even notice it. By dumb luck, I checked the plants two hours after lights on. No light. I have the MH/HPS light plugged into an AC Infinity outlet and plugged in to the controller. The outlet was flashing. I unplugged it, plugged it back in and still nothing. I unplugged it again, turned the automation off, plugged in the outlet, restarted the automation and the light came on. I considered removing the light from the automation and plugging in a time.

Then I had a funny event on Saturday. Lost power a little after 6:00pm. It came back on some time after I went to sleep. I woke up the next morning and a clock in the bedroom was blinking 6-something. I jumped out of bed and raced downstairs to check out the tent. The light was out. I started troubleshooting . After fiddling around I glanced at my watch and found out it was 8mins before the lights were scheduled to come on. The blinking clock was just flashing the time the power went out the evening before.

 

[Bandit420]

Not AI-related, but I had a learning experience that helped me relate to some comments that I think you and some others shared on here. It was about preferring timers AC's controllers, for some things. I might have been misunderstanding something and didn't study on what was being said, Maybe the discussion was driven by reliability.

Anyway, we had a power blip on Thursday. Thunderstorms occurring every evening here recently. The blip was just enough to make us have to reset digital clocks on everything. Otherwise, we didn't even notice it. By dumb luck, I checked the plants two hours after lights on. No light. I have the MH/HPS light plugged into an AC Infinity outlet and plugged in to the controller. The outlet was flashing. I unplugged it, plugged it back in and still nothing. I unplugged it again, turned the automation off, plugged in the outlet, restarted the automation and the light came on. I considered removing the light from the automation and plugging in a time.

Then I had a funny event on Saturday. Lost power a little after 6:00pm. It came back on some time after I went to sleep. I woke up the next morning and a clock in the bedroom was blinking 6-something. I jumped out of bed and raced downstairs to check out the tent. The light was out. I started troubleshooting . After fiddling around I glanced at my watch and found out it was 8mins before the lights were scheduled to come on. The blinking clock was just flashing the time the power went out the evening before.

I think today will be the day I cut power at the breaker to simulate an outage and see how it fires back up. I'm pretty sure everything comes back on and online but will be certain about it.

I found out yesterday there's gen1 and gen2 UIS cables. Yeah, who knew?
So if the fans are on AI, some of their features may be limited depending on that cable.

Well, all of my cables are mixed up and I have no idea how to check which are gen 1 and which are gen 2. Maybe the ones with an elbow are gen1, IDK but not all can be distinguished by that elbow.
Anyways, I'm also using the splitter dongle so not sure if that plays a role there either.

I put the 3 fan array on the AI and found I have no control of it's temp trigger and AI cannot activate it's oscillation or speed it up or slow it down like it does with the inline fans. It's pretty much on 24/7 and set to dynamic wind with a manually set max level of 3.
So that fan array is working but is not enhanced by the AI having those extra feature cut off. I'd say AI is more in monitoring mode than controlling mode using gen1 cables and fans. Not a major issue though since the fans on the other wall will not be on AI.
If all fans are gen2 with gen2 cables then the whole AI feature set will open up for the grower. I'm using two gen2 fans, one gen1, a splitter, and who knows what gen the cables are here on this array.

I also figured out a way to sort of trick the system or maybe a hack on the wireless with some devices....

The UV I use has three separate drivers and each one can be UIS controlled and now, AI controlled.
Since the wireless sell out fast and are always on back order, I feel pretty lucky to have the six I got but feel like I could use a few more but don't want to wait until September for them to ship out.
So instead of using 3 different wireless transmitters or three UIS cables to connect the UV array into the system, I'll use a power strip and a UIS plug.
Basically plug the three drivers into the power strip. Plug the power strip into the UIS plug. Use a single wireless transmitter on the UIS plug.
Now, a single wireless transmitter will control all three UV lights.
I'll lose dimming and sunset/sunrise feature but it's also UV and that shit is meant to go full blast so dimming isn't even needed.

So far there is some notable features of the AI system but I don't see it being a much better controller than the 69+ Pro other than the soil moisture and soon to come pH probe stuff. There's more info coming from it but not better control and I'm not even sure AI is better than Fuzzy Logic in regards to control.
It does provide useful info like here where it's showing me the light schedule is slightly out of alignment in regards to best operating temps

 

[BlueCollarBob]

Not AI-related, but I had a learning experience that helped me relate to some comments that I think you and some others shared on here. It was about preferring timers AC's controllers, for some things. I might have been misunderstanding something and didn't study on what was being said, Maybe the discussion was driven by reliability.

Anyway, we had a power blip on Thursday. Thunderstorms occurring every evening here recently. The blip was just enough to make us have to reset digital clocks on everything. Otherwise, we didn't even notice it. By dumb luck, I checked the plants two hours after lights on. No light. I have the MH/HPS light plugged into an AC Infinity outlet and plugged in to the controller. The outlet was flashing. I unplugged it, plugged it back in and still nothing. I unplugged it again, turned the automation off, plugged in the outlet, restarted the automation and the light came on. I considered removing the light from the automation and plugging in a time.

Then I had a funny event on Saturday. Lost power a little after 6:00pm. It came back on some time after I went to sleep. I woke up the next morning and a clock in the bedroom was blinking 6-something. I jumped out of bed and raced downstairs to check out the tent. The light was out. I started troubleshooting . After fiddling around I glanced at my watch and found out it was 8mins before the lights were scheduled to come on. The blinking clock was just flashing the time the power went out the evening before.

Great idea on transmitter>UIS plug>splitter> multiple UV lights.

I’ll be interested in seeing how your power outage simulation goes. We had our third power outage in seven days last night. Horribly, Texas has set a new standard for measuring flooding. The daily storms here have an impact, but are trivial. Washed out roads and power outages.

Anyway, my light didn’t come on again. I don’t have the new AI controller. I’m curious about the UIS plug. My small assortment of AC products (humidifier, exhaust fan and clip fan) all came back on. The light plugged in to the UIS plug did not. I again had to delete the automation and set it up again to get the light to come one. Unplugging the UIS doesn’t do it.

Getting some good learning experience, so I won’t bitch too much. I’m getting ready to post a photo asking if I have a hermaphrodite White Widow outdoors, but I know the answer. First time and all, it’s nice to have confirmation. Probably chopping a plant out there.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I think today will be the day I cut power at the breaker to simulate an outage and see how it fires back up. I'm pretty sure everything comes back on and online but will be certain about it.

I found out yesterday there's gen1 and gen2 UIS cables. Yeah, who knew?
So if the fans are on AI, some of their features may be limited depending on that cable.

Well, all of my cables are mixed up and I have no idea how to check which are gen 1 and which are gen 2. Maybe the ones with an elbow are gen1, IDK but not all can be distinguished by that elbow.
Anyways, I'm also using the splitter dongle so not sure if that plays a role there either.

I put the 3 fan array on the AI and found I have no control of it's temp trigger and AI cannot activate it's oscillation or speed it up or slow it down like it does with the inline fans. It's pretty much on 24/7 and set to dynamic wind with a manually set max level of 3.
So that fan array is working but is not enhanced by the AI having those extra feature cut off. I'd say AI is more in monitoring mode than controlling mode using gen1 cables and fans. Not a major issue though since the fans on the other wall will not be on AI.
If all fans are gen2 with gen2 cables then the whole AI feature set will open up for the grower. I'm using two gen2 fans, one gen1, a splitter, and who knows what gen the cables are here on this array.

I also figured out a way to sort of trick the system or maybe a hack on the wireless with some devices....

The UV I use has three separate drivers and each one can be UIS controlled and now, AI controlled.
Since the wireless sell out fast and are always on back order, I feel pretty lucky to have the six I got but feel like I could use a few more but don't want to wait until September for them to ship out.
So instead of using 3 different wireless transmitters or three UIS cables to connect the UV array into the system, I'll use a power strip and a UIS plug.
Basically plug the three drivers into the power strip. Plug the power strip into the UIS plug. Use a single wireless transmitter on the UIS plug.
Now, a single wireless transmitter will control all three UV lights.
I'll lose dimming and sunset/sunrise feature but it's also UV and that shit is meant to go full blast so dimming isn't even needed.

So far there is some notable features of the AI system but I don't see it being a much better controller than the 69+ Pro other than the soil moisture and soon to come pH probe stuff. There's more info coming from it but not better control and I'm not even sure AI is better than Fuzzy Logic in regards to control.
It does provide useful info like here where it's showing me the light schedule is slightly out of alignment in regards to best operating temps

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I did a power outage test on the new fans. I’ll have to tape over the idiot lights. Turning it off and on keeps your settings.

Loss of power resets everything to default. So lights are back on and any oscillation settings are lost.

Not a huge deal as we check the plants daily and durning the fall/winter we don’t suffer brown/black outs.

So if you use any of the Costco fans just be aware they will need to be reset after power loss and taping the lights might be a good idea.