Compiling old school strains

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I am so tired of poly-hybrid candy purple weed that looks great but all smokes the same,... average. After growing some old indica I remembered what I was missing. My plan is to grow indica dominant or pure indicas in the greenhouse during the summer and grow sativa in the 8x8 and 4x4 indoors during the off season when the sun isn't shining. I'm in the mountains of Central Oregon and don't have Sativa growing conditions here, they have to be grown inside unfortunately because they are my favorite. I am starting to collect genetics via seeds and plan to continue the posterity of these genes for my own herb and herb for my people. I know that most of these genetics are not the exact same as back in the day but it is as close as I can get. So far I have:

79 Florida Skunk
Northern Lights
Ak-47
Alderpoint Sour Diesel
Malowi Gold (pure landrace sativa)

What I am looking for:
Cat Piss
OG Kush of some sort, maybe Pre 98 Bubba kush
Trainwreck
And whatever the hell else I was smoking in the nineties

Looking for 90's genetics. I know I smoked a lot of stuff that I had no idea what it was. Does anyone have good breeders for vintage genes? What strains am I missing?
 
Seems like a great project. I think I’ve been opining the same issues with average strains. Those look like good strains. In the Sativa world I like Jack Herer and Durban Poison (I know, who doesn’t). In Hybrids I like Bob Hope (might be clone only). In Indica I loves me some Forbidden Fruit! It’s sweet, but damn, it’s good!

I want a new drug!
One that won’t make me sick!
 
Try Ace Seeds in Spain. They have a lot of old school sativas for sure, more than you can decide. They don't ship to the US but there are re-sellers that have some of their stuff.

Authentic Genetics is also well known for landrace strains.
 
Try Ace Seeds in Spain. They have a lot of old school sativas for sure, more than you can decide. They don't ship to the US but there are re-sellers that have some of their stuff.

Authentic Genetics is also well known for landrace strains.
Yeah I am growing Todd’s Northern Lights and Skywalker OG X Purest Indica. His skunk is meh. It’s good just not the skunk we all remember. I may start growing some Iran Landrace soon as well.
 
Authenticity is key but figuring out the new names and linking them to what they likely were originally is becoming more and more of a hobby or search for me.

Albany Sour Diesel is a throwback to NYCD. It's very dense and hard hitting like that bastard back in the late 90s and early 2000s that was wrecking fuckers who dared hit it. Not for the lightweights at all.

Animal Cookies is eerily close to old UK Cheese but has been stepped on. Basically, there's Animal Cookies and then there's ANIMAL COOKIES if you get what I'm saying. IMO cookie flavor described is cheesecake, cake, muffins etc took over around 2013 but to me I'm tasting that rich and creamy coming from what we used to call Cheese or UK Cheese. Even the first time I tried GSC after reading so much hype...I hit that shit and was like..."So it's just a cheese cut huh?"

OGK is hard to pin down but I still find phenos of it in stuff like SFVOGK crosses, Tahoe crosses, and Banana OG. There's so much clutter in that search though then you have trash like the gorilla strains fucking it up even more.

Indicas unfortunately have been molested by pollen chuckers and I agree it's time to go back to the source and hit the reset button on them. There's a few out there but I'm feeling it might be time to shop the Netherlands for Afghani indicas.
 
I am so tired of poly-hybrid candy purple weed that looks great but all smokes the same,... average. After growing some old indica I remembered what I was missing. My plan is to grow indica dominant or pure indicas in the greenhouse during the summer and grow sativa in the 8x8 and 4x4 indoors during the off season when the sun isn't shining. I'm in the mountains of Central Oregon and don't have Sativa growing conditions here, they have to be grown inside unfortunately because they are my favorite. I am starting to collect genetics via seeds and plan to continue the posterity of these genes for my own herb and herb for my people. I know that most of these genetics are not the exact same as back in the day but it is as close as I can get. So far I have:

79 Florida Skunk
Northern Lights
Ak-47
Alderpoint Sour Diesel
Malowi Gold (pure landrace sativa)

What I am looking for:
Cat Piss
OG Kush of some sort, maybe Pre 98 Bubba kush
Trainwreck
And whatever the hell else I was smoking in the nineties

Looking for 90's genetics. I know I smoked a lot of stuff that I had no idea what it was. Does anyone have good breeders for vintage genes? What strains am I missing?
 
I heard the original blueberry has been lost and what’s around now is a watered down version of it. Is Dj Shorts blueberry legit? Like it used to be?
 
Haha yuck. I like the taste of chem but dang it smells like wet Birkenstocks.
 
Afghani #1-Simply Afghan on the website- aka M10-Jordan of the Islands
Destroyer 2005-2010 F2 Open Pollination-Cabinet of Curiosities Seeds
Athens Silver Haze S1-Cabinet of Curiosities.
98 Cup Winner Super Sliver Haze S1-Cabinet of Curiosities
AKBeanBrains-Black Domina-Has 2-3 different breedings-Email Dave @-dankortown@gmail.com ask for a seed list. Has all kinds of 80s-90s genetics. Also has NL1.
The Light-Original NL5 cut x Destroyer - Empyrean Seeds
NL555-Empyrean Seeds
NL2-Deep Ellum

Thats a start anyway.
 
Afghani #1-Simply Afghan on the website- aka M10-Jordan of the Islands
Destroyer 2005-2010 F2 Open Pollination-Cabinet of Curiosities Seeds
Athens Silver Haze S1-Cabinet of Curiosities.
98 Cup Winner Super Sliver Haze S1-Cabinet of Curiosities
AKBeanBrains-Black Domina-Has 2-3 different breedings-Email Dave @-dankortown@gmail.com ask for a seed list. Has all kinds of 80s-90s genetics. Also has NL1.
The Light-Original NL5 cut x Destroyer - Empyrean Seeds
NL555-Empyrean Seeds
NL2-Deep Ellum

Thats a start anyway.
This is a hell of a list!
I will add:
Blueberry - (DJ short)
Chocolate Thai (Thailand!)
I recently acquired about 26 Chocolate Thai seeds, the actual sixteen week chocolate Thai so thats rad! I'm starting another sativa grow inside so I'll have to wait to plant these.
 
This is a hell of a list!
I will add:
Blueberry - (DJ short)
Chocolate Thai (Thailand!)
I recently acquired about 26 Chocolate Thai seeds, the actual sixteen week chocolate Thai so thats rad! I'm starting another sativa grow inside so I'll have to wait to plant these.
if that stuff comes in like the thai I used to get in the late 70s, you have some awesome bud before you! That was the one bud that I used to worry about when someone whipped out a doob, I knew it would kick my butt something fierce! All these years later, I would love to go back to those days and weed!
 
I am so tired of poly-hybrid candy purple weed that looks great but all smokes the same,... average. After growing some old indica I remembered what I was missing. My plan is to grow indica dominant or pure indicas in the greenhouse during the summer and grow sativa in the 8x8 and 4x4 indoors during the off season when the sun isn't shining. I'm in the mountains of Central Oregon and don't have Sativa growing conditions here, they have to be grown inside unfortunately because they are my favorite. I am starting to collect genetics via seeds and plan to continue the posterity of these genes for my own herb and herb for my people. I know that most of these genetics are not the exact same as back in the day but it is as close as I can get. So far I have:

79 Florida Skunk
Northern Lights
Ak-47
Alderpoint Sour Diesel
Malowi Gold (pure landrace sativa)

What I am looking for:
Cat Piss
OG Kush of some sort, maybe Pre 98 Bubba kush
Trainwreck
And whatever the hell else I was smoking in the nineties

Looking for 90's genetics. I know I smoked a lot of stuff that I had no idea what it was. Does anyone have good breeders for vintage genes? What strains am I missing?
I know Budgoodman has the pre 98, maybe somebody's still has it around here possibly. I had the clone but I didn't obtain any seeds from that plant unfortunately


He also has the dj short, so it can be floating around here somewhere
 
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I heard the original blueberry has been lost and what’s around now is a watered down version of it. Is Dj Shorts blueberry legit? Like it used to be?
I think it's debatable depending on what you remember as blueberry. It's certainly not the original blueberry I remember but possibly an earlier fork in the line.

It's definitely blueberry but just not how I remember it. Denser than the bouffant stuff I remember
 
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Empyrean Seeds
THE LIGHT
Original NL5 Clone x Destroyer - Alternative to NL5 x Haze.
Comes in 2 versions.
One called Redisun, the other Modern. Modern is offspring of Redisun.
I ordered a pack of the Redisun, and should be here Monday.
GUY HAS WORKED ON THIS CROSS, FOR 15 YEARS.

This is the Original Pacific Northwest NL5 clone, from the 80s. Purest Indica x Steve Murphy Hawaiian, and the cut was given directly to this breeder, long long ago, by the originator(s).

Destroyer was from Cannabiogen, and consists of Columbian/Mexican x Meao Thai, and took 8 years to develop. 100% PURE SATIVA.

Also has
NL555
Which is a worked seed version of the clone only NL5.

Also a couple other great crosses, of old genetics.
Also let it be known, Im really only interested in mainly 80s-mid 2005 genetics, from
Nevils Seed Bank
Super Sativa Seed Club
Sensi Seeds-which got all of Nevis gear when he went underground, in 1990
Paradise Seeds
Serious Seeds
And a few others.

And particularly interested in?
NL5 x Haze
NL5
Hashplant
Black Domina
Afghani #1
NL1
Sk1
Mr Nice
AK47
Kali Mist
White Widow
White Russian
G13 x Haze

Main interests are old NL5 x Haze, and crosses
Hashplant= Pacific Northwest Hashplant x NL1 x Hashplant x Hashplant/NL1
Sk1
NL5
NL1
NL2
Afghani #1
Destroyer
Destroyer Hybrids
Master Kush
Puck Hashplant BC3-Crickets and Cicada-Lomg sold out
Pacific Northwest Hashplant BC3-Long Sold Out
Vietnam Black/Hybrids
Ace Seeds-
Thai-Malawi-A5 Haze Hybrids
 
Empyrean Seeds
THE LIGHT
Original NL5 Clone x Destroyer - Alternative to NL5 x Haze.
Comes in 2 versions.
One called Redisun, the other Modern. Modern is offspring of Redisun.
I ordered a pack of the Redisun, and should be here Monday.
GUY HAS WORKED ON THIS CROSS, FOR 15 YEARS.

This is the Original Pacific Northwest NL5 clone, from the 80s. Purest Indica x Steve Murphy Hawaiian, and the cut was given directly to this breeder, long long ago, by the originator(s).

Destroyer was from Cannabiogen, and consists of Columbian/Mexican x Meao Thai, and took 8 years to develop. 100% PURE SATIVA.

Also has
NL555
Which is a worked seed version of the clone only NL5.

Also a couple other great crosses, of old genetics.
Also let it be known, Im really only interested in mainly 80s-mid 2005 genetics, from
Nevils Seed Bank
Super Sativa Seed Club
Sensi Seeds-which got all of Nevis gear when he went underground, in 1990
Paradise Seeds
Serious Seeds
And a few others.

And particularly interested in?
NL5 x Haze
NL5
Hashplant
Black Domina
Afghani #1
NL1
Sk1
Mr Nice
AK47
Kali Mist
White Widow
White Russian
G13 x Haze

Main interests are old NL5 x Haze, and crosses
Hashplant= Pacific Northwest Hashplant x NL1 x Hashplant x Hashplant/NL1
Sk1
NL5
NL1
NL2
Afghani #1
Destroyer
Destroyer Hybrids
Master Kush
Puck Hashplant BC3-Crickets and Cicada-Lomg sold out
Pacific Northwest Hashplant BC3-Long Sold Out
Vietnam Black/Hybrids
Ace Seeds-
Thai-Malawi-A5 Haze Hybrids
Never heard of this breeder. Does he have a website?
 
I'm pretty sure if you're in Oregon you could easily find that dj short in a clone form that would much better approximate the original compared to any seedlings

clones should be simple to find down there. They might even ship them in the mail

Lots of originals are still floating around in the public realm
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I'm pretty sure if you're in Oregon you could easily find that dj short in a clone form that would much better approximate the original compared to any seedlings

clones should be simple to find down there. They might even ship them in the mail

Lots of originals are still floating around in the public realm
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Yeah man I'm done with clones. I bought three Sour Diesel clones off the arshole at THC farmer and they came with Hemp Russet Mites. "Tengu Seed Company". I spent years battling his bugs, Hemp Russet Mites are THE WORST thing you can ever get in your garden. After that experience I would rather just get seeds. I live in the woods and constantly battle bugs and the bugs that came on those clones were unlike anything Iv'e ever dealt with. I almost just gave up and quit growing!

I wasn't the only person that got bugs from him. And he wouldn't make it right! Said it was my fault. Nice business model. Spreading Hemp Russet Mites across the country. Anyway whatever I forgive him but I won't forget!
 
I'm pretty sure if you're in Oregon you could easily find that dj short in a clone form that would much better approximate the original compared to any seedlings

clones should be simple to find down there. They might even ship them in the mail

Lots of originals are still floating around in the public realm
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Never heard of this breeder. Does he have a website?
Which breeder are you asking about?
 
this is my recommendation
for indica
for sativa hybrid
and the Ethiopian Banana x Colombian Red freebies
 
Ive never heard of the Doc D Magic breeder but I’ve grown lots of Bodhi strains out and he breeds fire for the most part. For the last three years I’ve been growing the PNW dog chit X 88g13 hash plant and it is so good. I’ve had variation of short flowering and long flowering buds from this strain. The longer ones get me the highest. The dog chit smell shines through haha. I think just about anything bred with that 88g13 hash plant will be good.
 
Empyrean Seeds
THE LIGHT
Original NL5 Clone x Destroyer - Alternative to NL5 x Haze.
Comes in 2 versions.
One called Redisun, the other Modern. Modern is offspring of Redisun.
I ordered a pack of the Redisun, and should be here Monday.
GUY HAS WORKED ON THIS CROSS, FOR 15 YEARS.

This is the Original Pacific Northwest NL5 clone, from the 80s. Purest Indica x Steve Murphy Hawaiian, and the cut was given directly to this breeder, long long ago, by the originator(s).

Destroyer was from Cannabiogen, and consists of Columbian/Mexican x Meao Thai, and took 8 years to develop. 100% PURE SATIVA.

Also has
NL555
Which is a worked seed version of the clone only NL5.

Also a couple other great crosses, of old genetics.
Also let it be known, Im really only interested in mainly 80s-mid 2005 genetics, from
Nevils Seed Bank
Super Sativa Seed Club
Sensi Seeds-which got all of Nevis gear when he went underground, in 1990
Paradise Seeds
Serious Seeds
And a few others.

And particularly interested in?
NL5 x Haze
NL5
Hashplant
Black Domina
Afghani #1
NL1
Sk1
Mr Nice
AK47
Kali Mist
White Widow
White Russian
G13 x Haze

Main interests are old NL5 x Haze, and crosses
Hashplant= Pacific Northwest Hashplant x NL1 x Hashplant x Hashplant/NL1
Sk1
NL5
NL1
NL2
Afghani #1
Destroyer
Destroyer Hybrids
Master Kush
Puck Hashplant BC3-Crickets and Cicada-Lomg sold out
Pacific Northwest Hashplant BC3-Long Sold Out
Vietnam Black/Hybrids
Ace Seeds-
Thai-Malawi-A5 Haze Hybrids
Do you know where to buy some Destroyer seeds?This strain looks awesome. I found them at some suspicious seed bank but no where that I regularly buy seeds.
 
Do you know where to buy some Destroyer seeds?This strain looks awesome. I found them at some suspicious seed bank but no where that I regularly buy seeds.
Yep.

For Regular Destroyer?
Oldsog-Cabinet of Curiosities. His are a cross from seeds he got in 2005-2010- straight from the breeder-Cannabiogen.

S1s?
Seedheads-Strainly.

Both of these have come through.

Now, if you want an KILLER Alternative to the old NL5 x Haze, which is one off my favorite strains. Not much can beat the old 80s-90s NL5 x Haze.
Empyrean Seeds has an F6 of
Original USA NL5 cut x Destroyer
The Light
Empyrean says the clone -Redisun he uses that was found in this cross, is the best plant he has ever grown/found.
He has 2 different parallel lines, of this cross.
The first, which I bought, is named
Redisun. It leans a bit more NL5, with prolific branching. Medium structure, with strong branching pattern like Destroyer, with NL5 sized buds/colas. But, there will be some variation of course.

The other line is called-
Modern, and gravitates a bit more towards the Destroyer, but of course, like the Redisun, there will be outliers.
Still has great branching.
They do not get as big as Pure Destroyer. Destroyer is 100% Sativa. It also has a great yield

He also says the Destroyer, has more Trichomes on it, than any other Sativa he has ever seen.
Destroyer came from Cannabiogen, in the early 2000s. I believe there was a bust around 2015, and they lost 1 parent to the opriginal stock, and had to find another. But, it was still about as good as it always was.

Then, not long after that, the original breeder, from what I understand, and I do not know specifics, stopped growing weed, and thus Destroyer from the original source, ceased, and what others are selling, are the best of the best, from seeds Cannabiogen released

Oldsog, has been breeding weed since the 90s.
Seedheads are much newer, though the 2 S1s I grew, were really good, and will grow them again.

Here in a few weeks, Im most likely going to start a couple Seedheads Destroyer S1, and Empyrean The Light. I was just going to grow 2 Seedhead S1 Destroyer, and 2 ACE Golden Tiger x A5 Haze, in 40 gallon container each but have decided to use 6- 9 x 10 Gallon containers, and grow the above, and however many females of the Light. 6 max, as thats all the room I have.
Ive got a 5 x 5 and 9 containers measure about 4ft x 4ft in total. Might be best to grow 6 plants, and give each plant more space, as they have good branching.
 
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Ive never heard of the Doc D Magic breeder but I’ve grown lots of Bodhi strains out and he breeds fire for the most part. For the last three years I’ve been growing the PNW dog chit X 88g13 hash plant and it is so good. I’ve had variation of short flowering and long flowering buds from this strain. The longer ones get me the highest. The dog chit smell shines through haha. I think just about anything bred with that 88g13 hash plant will be good.
I don't think I've ever had a bad plant that had that 8813hp dad. I have a few vials of the pollen in my freezer that I'm gonna use to pollinate a bodhi lemon wookie f4 that my buddy worked towards the lavender side its got a really nice gassy lavender smell to her and I think it would pair perfectly with the hashplant
 
I don't think I've ever had a bad plant that had that 8813hp dad. I have a few vials of the pollen in my freezer that I'm gonna use to pollinate a bodhi lemon wookie f4 that my buddy worked towards the lavender side its got a really nice gassy lavender smell to her and I think it would pair perfectly with the hashplant
Last year I grew two 88g13 crosses. The “PNW dog chit x 88g13” was awesomely amazing. Then I had “White light Hash Plant” which is the “88g13 and The White”. It was strong but had like no terps so Itrimmed it up and put it in the grove bag. Well I opened it up after a nine month cure and wow! There is like this fuel or glue or super glue, maybe adhesive of some kind smell. It’s so awesome and I can’t believe this smell came out after the cure. Bodhi is a great breeder.
 
Yep.

For Regular Destroyer?
Oldsog-Cabinet of Curiosities. His are a cross from seeds he got in 2005-2010- straight from the breeder-Cannabiogen.

S1s?
Seedheads-Strainly.

Both of these have come through.

Now, if you want an KILLER Alternative to the old NL5 x Haze, which is one off my favorite strains. Not much can beat the old 80s-90s NL5 x Haze.
Empyrean Seeds has an F6 of
Original USA NL5 cut x Destroyer
The Light
Empyrean says the clone -Redisun he uses that was found in this cross, is the best plant he has ever grown/found.
He has 2 different parallel lines, of this cross.
The first, which I bought, is named
Redisun. It leans a bit more NL5, with prolific branching. Medium structure, with strong branching pattern like Destroyer, with NL5 sized buds/colas. But, there will be some variation of course.

The other line is called-
Modern, and gravitates a bit more towards the Destroyer, but of course, like the Redisun, there will be outliers.
Still has great branching.
They do not get as big as Pure Destroyer. Destroyer is 100% Sativa. It also has a great yield

He also says the Destroyer, has more Trichomes on it, than any other Sativa he has ever seen.
Destroyer came from Cannabiogen, in the early 2000s. I believe there was a bust around 2015, and they lost 1 parent to the opriginal stock, and had to find another. But, it was still about as good as it always was.

Then, not long after that, the original breeder, from what I understand, and I do not know specifics, stopped growing weed, and thus Destroyer from the original source, ceased, and what others are selling, are the best of the best, from seeds Cannabiogen released

Oldsog, has been breeding weed since the 90s.
Seedheads are much newer, though the 2 S1s I grew, were really good, and will grow them again.

Here in a few weeks, Im most likely going to start a couple Seedheads Destroyer S1, and Empyrean The Light. I was just going to grow 2 Seedhead S1 Destroyer, and 2 ACE Golden Tiger x A5 Haze, in 40 gallon container each but have decided to use 6- 9 x 10 Gallon containers, and grow the above, and however many females of the Light. 6 max, as thats all the room I have.
Ive got a 5 x 5 and 9 containers measure about 4ft x 4ft in total. Might be best to grow 6 plants, and give each plant more space, as they have good branching.
Thanks man that a lot of good info. That sativa sounds amazing! I’m going to add a light dep section on the inside of my greenhouse so this should be fun!
 
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