Cloning

[GoodShit97]

I need help people.
All my clones leaves keep turning brown and rotting....
I thought too much moisture but Idfk why anymore, ive completely removed the dome and its still happening. Ill grab some pics in a sec, cloner is sitting in ambient light, on top of my pellet stove to stay warm so being too cold isnt an option.

 

[Stoneyluv]

YAHTZEEE!!!!!!!!

 

[GoodShit97]

I'd say we are in business here
Almost every one has a root or is starting to root

 

[SpectrumFarms]

I'd say we are in business here View attachment 62493
Almost every one has a root or is starting to root

Success!! So just all ambient light, temp and rh? Just set it and forget it?

 

[GoodShit97]

Success!! So just all ambient light, temp and rh? Just set it and forget it?

Just the K4L cloning powder at 1/4tsp per gallon and let it run.
I don't even know the room parameters, I know it's warm and humid in there. I leave the light on over them all day and turn it off at 1am when I go to bed and back on at 5 or 6am when I get up

 

[GoodShit97]

Power has been off 2 hours now so far so good just keeping the lid on seems to be enough for now.

 

[growsinse79]

This is my home made cloner. I have about 95% success rate. I just cut these half hour ago- they should have roots in 7-10 days Too much light is bad- i keep the direct light blocked for the first couple days-then very little for the next 7-10 days

 

[Bandit420]

I'd say we are in business here View attachment 62493
Almost every one has a root or is starting to root

You getting bird nests yet?

 

[GoodShit97]

You getting bird nests yet?

Yeah but I have to cut all new ones. Getting the same browning on a couple cuts.
Not sure if it's the water again or what, I was at the store today and realized I got spring water not purified water

 

[Bandit420]

Yeah but I have to cut all new ones. Getting the same browning on a couple cuts.
Not sure if it's the water again or what, I was at the store today and realized I got spring water not purified water

Spring water will work too. Main thing is not have all that chlorine in it.
You get the temps back up or still trying to do this in the 60s? Cold is a clone killer

 

[GoodShit97]

Spring water will work too. Main thing is not have all that chlorine in it.
You get the temps back up or still trying to do this in the 60s? Cold is a clone killer

It's the only room I don't have a hygrometer in, but the rest of my house is 72-76 so I'd imagine it's in that range or warmer being the laundry room.
It's only the less rooted ones doing it too so idk, it's just weird lol

 

[Bandit420]

It's the only room I don't have a hygrometer in, but the rest of my house is 72-76 so I'd imagine it's in that range or warmer being the laundry room.
It's only the less rooted ones doing it too so idk, it's just weird lol

That machine is very forgiving but it needs it's basic needs met to be successful.
RH really does not matter too much since it's aero. As long as you're not in in a dry desert climate roots will set anywhere from 40%-80% RH.

Temps do matter though. A lot. It needs to be warm. If room temp is in the low 70s then the water is probably colder than that. This all needs to be up in the low to mid 80s

Clones do require light. Not a lot but at least something like a 20 watt CFL or in a veg space off to the side where it can get light but not the full intensity of a main vegging light.

Here's pics from the last time I used that machine. September 2023 and I had just pulled it out of storage without any prechecks and ran it. After the fact I found the machine had all but one sprayers clogged and still set roots....

Here I had it in my veg space but set on the floor away from direct light and almost under a table of vegging plants. Temps were in the high 80s



As the project moved along, the machine was in the way in that spot so I moved it next to my water tank where it would stay for the next week or so



And voila! 10 days in, only one nozzle working, temps are warm, RH unchecked, no pH check or adjustment, and it works!




The main thing there was just keeping it warm and consistent with no temp swings and a steady indirect light cycle of 18 on 6 off. The more you can make the environment consistent and in line with propagating plants the better and faster it will work

 

[GoodShit97]

This all needs to be up in the low to mid 80s

Not gonna happen inside then, that's just too hot for a house and no room in my tent.

Clones do require light.

I leave the light on in the room, seems to be enough.

Just gonna chop all new ones and forget saving everything or sending anyone clones cause I can't figure this shit out apparently.
So I'm over it.
Tired of beating my head against the wall

 

[GoodShit97]

And voila!

Roots look great.

Tops, not so much. Idfk man.

 

[SSgrower]

Not gonna happen inside then, that's just too hot for a house and no room in my tent.

I leave the light on in the room, seems to be enough.

Just gonna chop all new ones and forget saving everything or sending anyone clones cause I can't figure this shit out apparently.
So I'm over it.
Tired of beating my head against the wall

I do clones with just a "Root Riot" plug in a Super Sprouter, w/dome for 5-6 days, then as I gradually open dome for a day I will remove dome. Roots form soon, and I transplant to 3-5 gal material bags, I cut the clone, then an X on the bottom, sides are razed with scapel also., into Clonex gel dip and into root riot, get it?

 

[GoodShit97]

I do clones with just a "Root Riot" plug in a Super Sprouter, w/dome for 5-6 days, then as I gradually open dome for a day I will remove dome. Roots form soon, and I transplant to 3-5 gal material bags, I cut the clone, then an X on the bottom, sides are razed with scapel also., into Clonex gel dip and into root riot, get it?

That's how this thread started out lol.
I just hate clones

 

[freezeland]

Roots look great.

Tops, not so much. Idfk man. View attachment 63156View attachment 63157

Obviously doing what you are doing is working for you. That’s what matters

 

[GoodShit97]

Obviously doing what you are doing is working for you. That’s what matters

It's not working.
Roots are growing yeah, but the plants die

 

[GoodShit97]

I pulled them all out and tossed them.
They were all going to end up like this, yet the fk again. Already tossed 4 over the last 5 days. And 3 more got it this morning so I tossed them all.
Cut fresh i guess. Idfk.

 

[GoodShit97]

Starting to think it's an oxygen thing

 

[GoodShit97]

Nothing was slimey either, all healthy white fishbone looking roots so idfk what the hell is going on but I'm really just ready to start throwing shit, this is really pissing me off lol.
I've changed soooo much and nothing but the same issue ever and iver and over again regardless of the method...


So what virus or pathogen causes this shit? No way it's the methods used cause they all work for people.

 

[SpectrumFarms]

Starting to think it's an oxygen thing

Have you tried supplementing h202? I’ve have good result when I was in DWC using it. Not the grocery store kind but food grade 30% h202. Once h202 decomposes is releases oxygen adding more in the water.

 

[GoodShit97]

Have you tried supplementing h202? I’ve have good result when I was in DWC using it. Not the grocery store kind but food grade 30% h202. Once h202 decomposes is releases oxygen adding more in the water.

I know jack diddly shit about hydro.
This was supposed to solve my issues of dying clones.

Gonna add an air stone or 2 and see what happens. Only thing I've got left in my bag of tricks I guess

 

[GoodShit97]

Before I wasn't even getting roots though.
So i guess we are getting somewhere?
It's just the same outcome, only with roots this time lol.

 

[freezeland]

It's not working.
Roots are growing yeah, but the plants die

Didn’t realize they were dying on you.

 

[Aqua Man]

You still having issues bro?

 

[GoodShit97]

You still having issues bro?

For like 10 months now

 

[Max]

Sorry your having issues brother.i reckon your close thinking it’s rot.it’s def at the roots where it’s starting..that’s my bet.

 

[GoodShit97]

Sorry your having issues brother.i reckon your close thinking it’s rot.it’s def at the roots where it’s starting..that’s my bet.

I'm really starting to lean towards what Moe was thinking, low dissolved oxygen.

It's the  only consistency here.
Plugs were too wet before and cutting off o2
And low o2 in the res of the cloner.

It's the one thing that seems to make the most sense, and the only thing I haven't tried, really. So I'll stop at the fishy store and get a pump for the cloner tonight, it's worth a shot anyways.

 

[Max]

Agree mate.can’t hurt trying hey.man that would b pissing me.i hope you can catch it and save some..

 

[Bandit420]

Have you tried supplementing h202? I’ve have good result when I was in DWC using it. Not the grocery store kind but food grade 30% h202. Once h202 decomposes is releases oxygen adding more in the water.

I know jack diddly shit about hydro.
This was supposed to solve my issues of dying clones.

Gonna add an air stone or 2 and see what happens. Only thing I've got left in my bag of tricks I guess

Don't use the K4L powder if going this route. Use something salt and nitrate based. That stuff will kill the living water.

Doubt it's lack of air. Air is literally in the title of aeroponics, EZ Clone does not use air pumps or even sell them, and I never needed to add an airstone with that machine but if you must...
However, along with that I'd be looking for a small space heater and thermostat control or perhaps relocating the machine.
Common denominator between all techniques seems to be that laundry room sucks for trying to propagate plants when plants are showing the same type of death across the various techniques

 

[GoodShit97]

Common denominator between all techniques seems to be that laundry room

I've tried it in every room of my house, just not the kids room.
So there's that too lol

 

[GoodShit97]

Don't use the K4L powder if going this route. Use something salt and nitrate based. That stuff will kill the living water.

Won't be adding h2o2, just an air stone to see what happens.
It can't hurt I wouldn't think.

 

[moe.red]

Are you smoking when cloning? Maybe you are scaring them?

Mom plant fullly happy?

 

[GoodShit97]

Mom plant fullly happy?

Not fully, but it seems the 5 clones I saved all have a P deficiency

 

[moe.red]

Not fully, but it seems the 5 clones I saved all have a P deficiency

Man you can’t win

 

[GoodShit97]

Man you can’t win

Nope.
I'm starting to think gmo may be right with my ph is outta whack. Seems that and o2 are the only consistent things here.
So seems gmo and moe might be on the track here and this has been the issue all along and nothing to do with the methods
I really have no idea I'm just grabbing straws brother

 

[steamroller]

How much longer do you need them in the rooter before you cup them?
I would try cupping them before or instead of just tossing them.
If they turn around in soil great. The roots do look good so it has to be a def of some sort that hopefully soil would help.
Once in soil you can feed in fashion you are comfortable with.

 

[GoodShit97]

I would try cupping them before or instead of just tossing them.

I've tried before, the browning just spreads and then the new shoots die and there soon after the plant.
I just cupped 5 I think will be ok. But the rest were done for.

I'm really trying to figure the cause of the browning. It's just a need to know thing now.
Now that I got roots again I know I can do that much and plant at least before the brown sets in, but I was trying to get good roots cause I had to ship some to Nesta in Chicago? I think? So I wanted a thick ball of roots before sending em off.

 

[GoodShit97]

Guys I'm think I'm onto something!

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[steamroller]

Guys I'm think I'm onto something!

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Wow that is more French than an admin manual~!
Normally that would get a TLDNR but,
I did get to the part that said almost 33% is caused by CA def.