Question: Plants in coco still need feed calmag under Hps/cmh?, even in Ro water

[Observer]

We made it to 73 yesterday. Today was in the 40's. Forecast is for a deep freeze in my neck of the woods on Halloween night.

We should all take a vote ... who all is in favor of by-passing winter and heading straight to spring, say "I" lol.

sounds good to me, its already just nasty out.

muddy, wet, humid as hell, just raining, and 40s.

36f now

 

[ZombieRider]

i Dont think so, the "negative" affect would be waiting to long to smoke some excellently dried weed, that had the proper time for enzymes and starches w/e to break down and conversions happening, lots of biological stuff still happening after cut, during the dry and cure phases once not over-dried and ready for cure, that all contribute to the final taste and smoothness of the end "product"


i think/pretty sure, 60-65f \\ 58-62RH will/is a lot better than a product dried (the whole time) at 65-75f+ \\ 50-58rh // 62-70rh

(again, ive only dried a few crops and dont have years of exp of drying and drying at different temps, besides drying higher than 60F, compared to colder slower drys - obviously appear/seem "better")

volatile hydrocarbons start to degrade/evaporate off the plant at like (i think around here >) 68-72f++) , literally losing terps to the environment, quality/smell/taste


depending how long its "drying"(temp/rh ofc) for, and when/at what point in time its jarred for curing, moisture content left in the plant/colas/buds/stems, all affect final quality-end quality, take the best buds in the world, dry them poorly/over-dry and you cant even cure them, not enough moisture content for the biological processes to continue taking place, it matters tremendously at these stages.

enzymes? starches and sugars? cannabinoids and other shit is breaking down/converting for the finale.




its ruined


basically growing for fun, sport, catch and release.

Interesting, like all else in growing, its not so simple as it might seem at first. Do you usually go full 14 day dry?

You're mostly right. It's when you get to the cure that you want to try to keep temps between 60F and 70F with humidity approximately 60%. There's a biological process involved when curing your harvest and it slows down or may even stop if things get too cool in the drying area.

So anything lower than 60 begins to trap moisture into the bud because it can't offgas the chlorophyll filled moisture?

 

[Observer]

Interesting, like all else in growing, its not so simple as it might seem at first. Do you usually go full 14 day dry?

So anything lower than 60 begins to trap moisture into the bud because it can't offgas the chlorophyll filled moisture?

i cant even make it go 10 days at 70s and 50-60rh it seems, for 10-36inch tall plants or so

in 50srh/70s f, no fan, it seems to take 3-4 days to almost dry out and be too late to jar almost

 

[Observer]

So anything lower than 60 begins to trap moisture into the bud because it can't offgas the chlorophyll filled moisture?

OoH

 

[MiGrampa]

Interesting, like all else in growing, its not so simple as it might seem at first. Do you usually go full 14 day dry?

So anything lower than 60 begins to trap moisture into the bud because it can't offgas the chlorophyll filled moisture?

No, I don't usually go a full 14 days drying. My drying is typically done at about 65F and after 10 days I place the harvest into Grove bags. I check them for moisture after 24 hrs. There's been a number of times I've had to pull the buds out of the Grove bag and give it another 24 hrs drying time. For me, full dry is typically 10 -11 days. Cure sets in after a couple of weeks and seems to be at its peak at about the 4 week mark.

As for trapping moisture below 60F, I suppose that could be part of it.

I always assumed that since the cure is actually a biological process that the microbes involved simply slowed down to the point they aren't doing much of anything to enhance the cure.

 

[Observer]

No, I don't usually go a full 14 days drying. My drying is typically done at about 65F and after 10 days I place the harvest into Grove bags. I check them for moisture after 24 hrs. There's been a number of times I've had to pull the buds out of the Grove bag and give it another 24 hrs drying time. For me, full dry is typically 10 -11 days. Cure sets in after a couple of weeks and seems to be at its peak at about the 4 week mark.

As for trapping moisture below 60F, I suppose that could be part of it.

I always assumed that since the cure is actually a biological process that the microbes involved simply slowed down to the point they aren't doing much of anything to enhance the cure.

yea, smart

 

[Observer]

Interesting, like all else in growing, its not so simple as it might seem at first.

not if, one wants to be critical and grow "perfect" quality, consistently, every time. --- IMO

appeal/appearance ,taste and scents, smoothness of the ignite/combustion of the Herb & inhale.

 

[MiGrampa]

not if, one wants to be critical and grow "perfect" quality, consistently every time.

appeal,taste and scents.

The quest for perfection will drive you crazy. I'm not sure if there's such a thing as "perfect" quality when it comes to cannabis. There's so many variables to juggle that influence how things turn out in the end. Consistently good results is what I shoot for ... Perfection? You might as well be chasing your tail. lol

 

[Observer]

The quest for perfection will drive you crazy.

it sure does

I'm not sure if there's such a thing as "perfect" quality when it comes to cannabis. There's so many variables to juggle that influence how things turn out in the end. Consistently good results is what I shoot for ... Perfection? You might as well be chasing your tail. lol

i do agree with you, thats why i include """

i just want/prefer each Nug to have a nice taste, and to hit "smoothly", i like colors too, i dont mind a bright lime green though.

and obviously to have potency that you want or need/dose thc/cannabinoids/entourage effects

and then when you find one of those nugs that hit those, knowing the water content % of that would be useful, along with other test like tissue samples, to know the elemental make up, like how much nitrogen or mG is still in this bud maybe, to "recreate" it, consistently.

knowing the science and mechanics behind the growth, then you can also manipulate further.

like including cold to bring out anthocyanin response, or spectrum wavelengths for different shapes/kind of growth one is after.
mimic nature indoors

or nutrient ratios, or hormone signaling.

 

[LJFarming]

The older I get the more the cold gets to ME. I use to love the snow but I’m pissed now when it sticks around to long and the muddy mess it creates when it leaves.

As for curing and drying I do welcome the colder temps. It’s easy enough to keep the RH correct with an exhaust fan on a controller for me. However I have to use an additional AC in the dry room besides the one in the Bloom room when it’s mid summer and hot to dry properly.

 

[LJFarming]

The quest for perfection will drive you crazy. I'm not sure if there's such a thing as "perfect" quality when it comes to cannabis. There's so many variables to juggle that influence how things turn out in the end. Consistently good results is what I shoot for ... Perfection? You might as well be chasing your tail. lol

I have learned as I get older 50s now that perfection is all but impossible MiGranpa. I strive to just get better at whatever I’m doing which could include mowing the lawn I have mowed for over 30 years. Constantly trying to get better might be a character flaw for me because good enough will never work.

I know it’s a character/personality flaw and perhaps from the way I was raised. unfortunately I still chase my IMAGINARY TAIL way too much it seems! If I’m lucky I might end up .1- 1% better and definitely spend way to much time and money trying to get there!

 

[ZombieRider]

it sure does

i do agree with you, thats why i include """

i just want/prefer each Nug to have a nice taste, and to hit "smoothly", i like colors too, i dont mind a bright lime green though.

and obviously to have potency that you want or need/dose thc/cannabinoids/entourage effects

and then when you find one of those nugs that hit those, knowing the water content % of that would be useful, along with other test like tissue samples, to know the elemental make up, like how much nitrogen or mG is still in this bud maybe, to "recreate" it, consistently.

knowing the science and mechanics behind the growth, then you can also manipulate further.

like including cold to bring out anthocyanin response, or spectrum wavelengths for different shapes/kind of growth one is after.
mimic nature indoors

or nutrient ratios, or hormone signaling.

For me my goal is more a search for flavonoids #1, then terpenes #2 prority. I want to have the smoke be full of flavor on the exhale cuz lots of weed has a muted aftertaste ime.

 

[ZombieRider]

No, I don't usually go a full 14 days drying. My drying is typically done at about 65F and after 10 days I place the harvest into Grove bags. I check them for moisture after 24 hrs. There's been a number of times I've had to pull the buds out of the Grove bag and give it another 24 hrs drying time. For me, full dry is typically 10 -11 days. Cure sets in after a couple of weeks and seems to be at its peak at about the 4 week mark.

As for trapping moisture below 60F, I suppose that could be part of it.

I always assumed that since the cure is actually a biological process that the microbes involved simply slowed down to the point they aren't doing much of anything to enhance the cure.

Pretty sure im jarring too late. Gonna try to jar at different times and see whats up.

 

[Observer]

Pretty sure im jarring too late. Gonna try to jar at different times and see whats up.

I was jarring too early I think. But again depends on the water content of the materiel I guess, I'm waiting for the hay smell to go away this time and then jar and see what happens, maybe it's drying to fast and that's why it smells like that, and could still be too moist for jarring for me.

but we don't have a way to check that in home , currently , and knowing what moisture content % target we want, besides maybe weighing the plant to starting getting an idea/notice a pattern, besides going off RH/hygrometer when it's jarred.

 

[LJFarming]

IMO you almost can’t JAR to early. You just create an incredible unnecessary amount of extra work and extra cure time! Burping jars 2-3 times a day for a month or more is not fun! Or that’s what she said anyways!

I was so nervous about drying and curing for the first couple years that I never let it dry long enough. When you are trying to dry trim buds that are not properly dried and only partially cured trimming is insanely worse than wet or dry trimming

Drying it to fast is what turns the shit into HAY!

I absolutely took too long to get it right and suffered the consequences for way too long but honestly never fucked off a chop/crop. That wasn’t an option!

 

[Observer]

IMO you almost can’t JAR to early. You just create an incredible unnecessary amount of extra work and extra cure time! Burping jars 2-3 times a day for a month or more is not fun! Or that’s what she said anyways!

i see.

i want/would like to just be able to jar it and not have to worry about burping it that much, or at all really.

fuckkk burping all the time

I was so nervous about drying and curing for the first couple years that I never let it dry long enough. When you are trying to dry trim buds that are not properly dried and only partially cured trimming is insanely worse than wet or dry trimming

Drying it to fast is what turns the shit into HAY!

just as i was starting to think.

I absolutely took too long to get it right and suffered the consequences for way too long but honestly never fucked off a chop/crop. That wasn’t an option!

 

[Observer]

i cant even make it go 10 days at 70s and 50-60rh it seems, for 10-36inch tall plants or so

in 50srh/70s f, no fan, it seems to take 3-4 days to almost dry out and be too late to jar almost

yeah, those conditions, 73f and whatever the fuck, the rh is, 40-59%, dont have a sensor in there ATM, checked it once.

shit is drying way too fast = ruined product, for me, imo.

"catch & release"

 

[Observer]

yeah, those conditions, 73f and whatever the fuck, the rh is, 40-59%, dont have a sensor in there ATM, checked it once.

shit is drying way too fast = ruined product, for me, imo.

"catch & release"

paper bag drying, it is, i guess ?

 

[Observer]

yeah, those conditions, 73f and whatever the fuck, the rh is, 40-59%, dont have a sensor in there ATM, checked it once.

shit is drying way too fast = ruined product, for me, imo.

"catch & release"

hay scent smells seem to have gone away (which, the hay smell is mostly from the chlorophyll offgassing? gassing-off?)

now ive bucked it off stems and jarred, a nice scent is coming from the buds, smells more like "dank" now.

needs a final "manicure", but ill trim it up later.


seems a little colder in my closet now.

 

[ZombieRider]

With mega crop 2 part (jacks and a few other 3 parts are similar) i run 2g per gal at the end. Mg helps the burn and sulphur the terps and flavinoids. Of course dry and cure are the real huge part imo

Should i still add calmag when adding epsom? Or will it cause lockout because too much mag locks out calcium I think? The base nutes probably have enough calcium Im thinking.

 

[Observer]

Should i still add calmag when adding epsom? Or will it cause lockout because too much mag locks out calcium I think? The base nutes probably have enough calcium Im thinking.

id just use epsom salt if you think ur plants need more mG.

IMO - possibly wrong though/not correct practice

are you using tap or RO? tap may have enough Ca

 

[Aqua Man]

Try without…. Generally under LED they like a bit more but you wont know if you dont try without

 

[ZombieRider]

id just use epsom salt if you think ur plants need more mG.

IMO - possibly wrong though/not correct practice

are you using tap or RO? tap may have enough Ca

Using 60ppm well water. Havent tested it but probably should.

 

[ZombieRider]

Try without…. Generally under LED they like a bit more but you wont know if you dont try without

Thank for the clarification bro.