Supa Freak, Fryday, and First Lady

[GrumpAzz]

I'll take ur lead on not flushing.

I dropped down to 200 for the last 3-4 weeks. I've never flushed before so I have nothing to compare it to.

I may look into Athena for nutes

I've been very pleased with Athena. Super stable and super clean. They're pricey but the stability has been worth it for me.

I'm not at all dogging on GH nutes. That's what Moe used and he taught me most everything I know about hydro.

I only switched it up try try out powdered nutes. Then G$ got me in on Athena with a sweet free trial of their base line. That lasted for 2 grows and sold me on the lineup. It'd be worth a shot to reach out to their service department to see if they're still offering trials. Talk about how you've been thinking about switching brands and they might throw you so free nutes hoping you'll buy from them afterwards.

especially with supplements like silica or fulvic acid.

I'm not weighing in on whether or not to mix brands, just here about the Fulvic. This last run of mine was the first run I've done with zero fulvic. Record harvest. Now.. that could've been genetics but I'll be going without for now.

It's pricey and for some reason my bottles always grow some gunk on top. I only ever pour straight from the jug, so no contact with contaminated surfaces... just weird. So I tried without and didn't see any reason to go back. Maybe when I start adding CO2 and really push some plants, but we'll see when that time comes.

 

[Pipecarver]

I dropped down to 200 for the last 3-4 weeks. I've never flushed before so I have nothing to compare it to.


I've been very pleased with Athena. Super stable and super clean. They're pricey but the stability has been worth it for me.

I'm not at all dogging on GH nutes. That's what Moe used and he taught me most everything I know about hydro.

I only switched it up try try out powdered nutes. Then G$ got me in on Athena with a sweet free trial of their base line. That lasted for 2 grows and sold me on the lineup. It'd be worth a shot to reach out to their service department to see if they're still offering trials. Talk about how you've been thinking about switching brands and they might throw you so free nutes hoping you'll buy from them afterwards.


I'm not weighing in on whether or not to mix brands, just here about the Fulvic. This last run of mine was the first run I've done with zero fulvic. Record harvest. Now.. that could've been genetics but I'll be going without for now.

It's pricey and for some reason my bottles always grow some gunk on top. I only ever pour straight from the jug, so no contact with contaminated surfaces... just weird. So I tried without and didn't see any reason to go back. Maybe when I start adding CO2 and really push some plants, but we'll see when that time comes.

In veg before they get res fed I use Flurolicious Plus from GH then once feeding from the the res I go to Diamond Nectar being cleaner and both have fulvic acid I believe. I saw an immediate improvement in color and health of my plants when I first started using them and now I'm hooked

 

[Stoneyluv]

I use Flurolicious Plus from GH

that is some surface staining stuff right there!!! i think there might even be a little squid ink in there!!! hahaha

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

Thanks for the info @ninjadip My last grow I used a complex set of nutes so I wanted to try something more simple this round. I will try ur approach from here on out, thankfully I still had silica gold leftover. So silica, wait, ph down past 7, calmag, wait, trio in order, fulveric, than ph and lastly hydroguard or in my case king crab. I don't have anything w fulvic at the moment and don't see it in the ingredients on my diamond nectar bottle @Pipecarver but will use it on this last change anyhow. My bad Pipecarver, AI says it does contain fulvic Thank you all for chiming in! I may get decent at this yet lol No herms this round which is a first, but got some major foxtailing on Fryday...

 

[Bandit420]

These are the conversations where I like to point people into knowing about parent or umbrella companies and how they operate and a certain volatile ingredient to be aware of in nutrients and additives...

Many nutrient companies are under an umbrella corporation or are independent but still buy from the umbrella.
Hawthorne for example is the source for GH, Humboldt, Advanced and probably a few other nutrient brands. These are all compatible with each other because they are often the same product but with different labels.
Spin the bottles around and look at ingredients and NPK and source if labeled. they're often identical.

Here's a local example of our GH trio bought direct from Hawthorne in bulk to be labeled and sold under a different brand. We even get the + version of micro so people don't need cal-mag.



Same thing even down to the color because they both came from Hawthorne





This also applies to many lights. Spiderfarmer, AC Infinity, Mars Hydro, and Vivosun are all using the same parts and lights are being made in the same factory.
Sometimes a slight difference is added but always the same parts and material in each light so not one light is any better than the other.

The volatile ingredient to BTLO for will often be labeled "bio stimulant" or "bio growth enhancer" or something worded similar to that in the ingredients.
It's Superthrive and not only is Superthrive a toxin we don't want in plants we consume but it also has a volatile reaction to some nutes and soil amendments and causes problems hard to pin down and usually get defaulted to something like pH or too much/too little of something when it's too much bio stimulant frying up the plant

 

[GrumpAzz]

The volatile ingredient to BTLO for will often be labeled "bio stimulant" or "bio growth enhancer" or something worded similar to that in the ingredients.
It's Superthrive and not only is Superthrive a toxin we don't want in plants we consume but it also has a volatile reaction to some nutes and soil amendments and causes problems hard to pin down and usually get defaulted to something like pH or too much/too little of something when it's too much bio stimulant frying up the plant

This is where you lost me. BTLO? Is this like the King Crab he's using or the Orca or Hydroguard or Southern Ag? Your Bennies?

Or are we talkin' the Fluorolicious and Fulvic sort of additives?

 

[Pipecarver]

Thanks for the info @ninjadip My last grow I used a complex set of nutes so I wanted to try something more simple this round. I will try ur approach from here on out, thankfully I still had silica gold leftover. So silica, wait, ph down past 7, calmag, wait, trio in order, fulveric, than ph and lastly hydroguard or in my case king crab. I don't have anything w fulvic at the moment and don't see it in the ingredients on my diamond nectar bottle @Pipecarver but will use it on this last change anyhow. My bad Pipecarver, AI says it does contain fulvic Thank you all for chiming in! I may get decent at this yet lol No herms this round which is a first, but got some major foxtailing on Fryday...

I use Flurolicious from week 3 in veg on their first feed at 1/2 ml/gal then bump to 1 ml after that on every feed until they go into the autopots then Diamond Nectar. It helps makes them a nice green color and a noticeable improvement in overall health

 

[Pipecarver]

that is some surface staining stuff right there!!! i think there might even be a little squid ink in there!!! hahaha

Yes it is some dark smelly shit but it works, fkin expensive but at 1 ml/gal it lasts a long time.

 

[Bandit420]

This is where you lost me. BTLO? Is this like the King Crab he's using or the Orca or Hydroguard or Southern Ag? Your Bennies?

Or are we talkin' the Fluorolicious and Fulvic sort of additives?

I don't think I've ever seen it in a microbial product. It's usually in boosters and supplements. Sometimes amino & fulvic acids, sweetners, cloning solutions, and products that promise more resin, terps, flavors, and other enhancements. The problem with it is that's it's a carcinogen. It's not in everything but it's in many.
You have to read the ingredients to find it and it's usually phrased as "bio-stimulant"

 

[ninjadip]

I'm not saying you can't mix and match but doing so there's a good chance of missing micro nutrients the plants need that get covered by the well paid scientist that design the products for their companies. And or interaction issues with essential nutes precipitating out do to an improper mixing of 2 differently designed products. I don't think that mixing General Hydroponics stuff with Advanced nutrients will blend the same way. I haven't really looked at their Grow/micro/bloom products but I don't think both General and Advanced have the exact same formula, as an example.

I got you, yeah you have to use the trio as one unit, but outside of that anything goes in my book, of course with proper research and understanding.

 

[ninjadip]

Yes it is some dark smelly shit but it works, fkin expensive but at 1 ml/gal it lasts a long time.

Yes I'm on the same bottle of mr fulvic for over a year. I usually use 1/2 ml/g. I use this with kelp as a replacement for floralicious.

 

[Pipecarver]

I got you, yeah you have to use the trio as one unit, but outside of that anything goes in my book, of course with proper research and understanding.

If it mixes well without causing cloudy, silty, smelly water then I suppose but I don't know why you'd take a chance using other products if your main nute supplier has what you need. Maybe for example Advanced has a bloom booster/hardener I wouldn't want to add it to my GH nutes during a critical time through flower without having mixed them together in the past without issues.

I was using a non GH salts control product Hyclean 1/ml per gal.....not good, it is what was causing chelating of my nutes. Just a simple clean product from another company fked up my batches. I ain't doing that again

 

[ninjadip]

If it mixes well without causing cloudy, silty, smelly water then I suppose but I don't know why you'd take a chance using other products if your main nute supplier has what you need. Maybe for example Advanced has a bloom booster/hardener I wouldn't want to add it to my GH nutes during a critical time through flower without having mixed them together in the past without issues.

I was using a non GH salts control product Hyclean 1/ml per gal.....not good, it is what was causing chelating of my nutes. Just a simple clean product from another company fked up my batches. I ain't doing that again

I understand, for me I've never seen any precipitation, ever, outside of forgetting to lower ph after silica before calmag. To each their own of course. The reason i don't use all their products is because i believe others are better like the data i posted on silica. I know GH has spent a lot of research on the trio, decades ago, before anything else they've made, it's tried and true, while their supplements have changed recipes more than once over the years. If that makes sense.

Never ever have smelly water, i never have any adverse effects from mixing it up. Only ever seen chelating when mixing out of order or not checking ph before calmag. Never used hyclean, or any cleaning products outside of cleaning prep for the next run.

To each their own, but just want to say that it's not bad to mix products across the board in a blanket statement. At least in my experience.

 

[Pipecarver]

I understand, for me I've never seen any precipitation, ever, outside of forgetting to lower ph after silica before calmag. To each their own of course. The reason i don't use all their products is because i believe others are better like the data i posted on silica. I know GH has spent a lot of research on the trio, decades ago, before anything else they've made, it's tried and true, while their supplements have changed recipes more than once over the years. If that makes sense.

Never ever have smelly water, i never have any adverse effects from mixing it up. Only ever seen chelating when mixing out of order or not checking ph before calmag. Never used hyclean, or any cleaning products outside of cleaning prep for the next run.

To each their own, but just want to say that it's not bad to mix products across the board in a blanket statement. At least in my experience.

Its for me something I was taught by my Guru 30 odd years ago and confirmed in the shit I've read and seen online since. I don't have any scientific knowledge to back that up but I've mixed and matched a few times over the years without good results so I'm pretty well stuck in..... my...belief... heavy on the my part...lol.

Some growers just use the basic 3 N P K powdered minerals and skip the additives altogether for pennies on the dollar I wish I had that knowledge. I add Zinc,copper,Sulfur,manganese, boron and a bunch of other supposedly good shit...lol to apparently make them bigger badder and better...so says the labels

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

Salutations beautiful ppl!! Ugh, been a grow w way too many mistakes made lol That being said, Im super pleased w the grow as I got no hermies and I chop TMRW!! WOOHOO!! Here's the Fryday which dominates the tent.


The nicer bud of the 2 freaks


After this I'll have to wait to start the next round till I buy a house. The wait is gonna suck but I think I'll enjoy it soo much more! Will probably only b a month or 2 so not terribly long. When that pops off, I'm gonna try to get into a perpetual situation. I will also have a little bit of new equipment to unbox and use. Took advantage of the sale and bought the aci Ai controller and the probes. Saved about $80 so that was nice. Till then, I'll have to scratch the itch following other grows on this site.

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

I did end up w some major foxtailing. I think I heard that it negatively affects the potency, as well as that it's just cosmetic. I'm leaning more towards that it's not good. Is the problem too close to the light or someother stress? They appear on sites way lower than the colas, just not as pronounced. Another question, do I keep the buds as is or cut of the tails and toss em? Thanks in advance for suggestions

 

[Driver77]

I did end up w some major foxtailing. I think I heard that it negatively affects the potency, as well as that it's just cosmetic. I'm leaning more towards that it's not good. Is the problem too close to the light or someother stress? They appear on sites way lower than the colas, just not as pronounced. Another question, do I keep the buds as is or cut of the tails and toss em? Thanks in advance for suggestions
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Nice job! Fox tailing doesn't hurt potency...it's just cosmetic. It can be caused by several things including too much light, genetics, heat, and nutrients etc. It'll smoke just fine...enjoy!

 

[Eskas]

I did end up w some major foxtailing. I think I heard that it negatively affects the potency, as well as that it's just cosmetic. I'm leaning more towards that it's not good. Is the problem too close to the light or someother stress? They appear on sites way lower than the colas, just not as pronounced. Another question, do I keep the buds as is or cut of the tails and toss em? Thanks in advance for suggestions
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It looks absolutely amazing, great work!

 

[steamroller]

Fox tailing can be caused by genetics or stress.
In the case of genetics, it is expressed on the whole plant generally [ as you have described with lower buds also showing signs].
It is when stressors cause fox tailing that the fox tail may be less potent than the other 'mature' buds.
The reason being the trichomes are not fully developed due to their late appearance.

This article seems to cover much of what I just said.

What Are Foxtails on Weed and What Causes Them?

Decode cannabis foxtailing. Learn to distinguish desirable genetic growth from damaging stress signals and manage your crop effectively.

biologyinsights.com

Your plants look really good~!

Do you lower/decrease your lights power through flowering?
To me not doing that would be one of the main reasons for fox tailing when not genetic.
I have never had fox tailing although I seem to have had many other issues even just recently.
Possibly turning down the lights and letting the fox tailed plant go longer will help with the trichomes.

 

[Driver77]

Fox tailing can be caused by genetics or stress.
In the case of genetics, it is expressed on the whole plant generally [ as you have described with lower buds also showing signs].
It is when stressors cause fox tailing that the fox tail may be less potent than the other 'mature' buds.
The reason being the trichomes are not fully developed due to their late appearance.

This article seems to cover much of what I just said.

What Are Foxtails on Weed and What Causes Them?

Decode cannabis foxtailing. Learn to distinguish desirable genetic growth from damaging stress signals and manage your crop effectively.

biologyinsights.com

Your plants look really good~!

Do you lower/decrease your lights power through flowering?
To me not doing that would be one of the main reasons for fox tailing when not genetic.
I have never had fox tailing although I seem to have had many other issues even just recently.
Possibly turning down the lights and letting the fox tailed plant go longer will help with the trichomes.

Interesting...I never thought about them being less mature. I'd still smoke it!

 

[Zen_seeker]

Fox tailing can be caused by genetics or stress.
In the case of genetics, it is expressed on the whole plant generally [ as you have described with lower buds also showing signs].
It is when stressors cause fox tailing that the fox tail may be less potent than the other 'mature' buds.
The reason being the trichomes are not fully developed due to their late appearance.

This article seems to cover much of what I just said.

What Are Foxtails on Weed and What Causes Them?

Decode cannabis foxtailing. Learn to distinguish desirable genetic growth from damaging stress signals and manage your crop effectively.

biologyinsights.com

Your plants look really good~!

Do you lower/decrease your lights power through flowering?
To me not doing that would be one of the main reasons for fox tailing when not genetic.
I have never had fox tailing although I seem to have had many other issues even just recently.
Possibly turning down the lights and letting the fox tailed plant go longer will help with the trichomes.

Cool. I’ve only had them from light stress up top.

I’m trying something new this time by adding an extra hour of light at flip, another later after stretch, and by week 5-6 I’ll start to remove the added hours.

 

[steamroller]

Cool. I’ve only had them from light stress up top.

I’m trying something new this time by adding an extra hour of light at flip, another later after stretch, and by week 5-6 I’ll start to remove the added hours.

I was going to suggest that you decrease your lights power instead of raising it while your plants are stretching.
I know many want full power at the beginning of flower but IMO balance is the key.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I was going to suggest that you decrease your lights power instead of raising it while your plants are stretching.
I know many want full power at the beginning of flower but IMO balance is the key.

Already did to help with burning before flip. Watching the tops seeing how long I can leave the light before burning starts. Hoping I can ride out stretch before raising the last few inches to finish the grow.

How do you raise lower branches without burning the tops or LST in flower? Tricky in the 1x3. Better control in the 3x3’s. IIRC I was around 35000 LUX at flip, then turned it down a bit more when I stopped raising the light.

I don’t think I’ve had a light above 70% the last two years. They are at 50% now.

 

[ninjadip]

Cool. I’ve only had them from light stress up top.

I’m trying something new this time by adding an extra hour of light at flip, another later after stretch, and by week 5-6 I’ll start to remove the added hours.

Something I didn't mention to anyone, but i realized at week 6 i was shorting my plants by at least an hour every day .. usually i like to go one hour over, then less in the end like you. totally explains my smaller yield this run

 

[Zen_seeker]

Something I didn't mention to anyone, but i realized at week 6 i was shorting my plants by at least an hour every day .. usually i like to go one hour over, then less in the end like you. totally explains my smaller yield this run

This is my first time trying it, maybe my second. I tried a lot of things in the beginning.

A few here do it and I’ve read a few things about it so I thought I’d try this grow while the conditions are still somewhat favourable.

If I do as well as you I’d be happy. I just need to keep them shorter.

 

[steamroller]

IME LST in flower is not a bad thing.
I'll use the clips to bend branches especially if they are too close to the light.
It is the HST that needs to be done in veg or the very beginning of flower IMO.

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

Salutations all u b a utiful ppl! Last week I chopped down like the top 16" of the fryday, and maybe doing a second harvest on it? There's still quite a bit left that I think might b at least useful to press? I dunno, I'm learning as I go. My dry was shit lol I have a 4'x2' tent for that and struggled w keeping the rh up. I had the humidifier hose outside of a lower flap but was manually adjusting the settings on the fly instead of just shoving in a sensor probe and setting the humidifier up manually w/out a controller. But yeah, I got some really dry buds(116g) that went into jars w boveda to try and resurrect em. My biggest problem this round was definitely me slacking... Next round my space will be way better plus new toys, Ai 69 w carbon along w the aci hydro probes. Can't wait to play w them in a new space!!

 

[Skinnypuppy80]

Salutations all! So here is what I'm still working w for doing a wet trim and shoving buds in a hanging net in my dry tent. These pics r after 2 days of chopping last weekend and the chop last night, all of which were off Fryday. I'm gonna get into the rest of the fryday today, and into the freaks as well which r probably in the couch lock stage...


Current canopy view


Oldest/biggest freak w it's top cola falling over due to thin ass stems trying to support some super dense buds


Small ass freak, still way beyond the sweet spot of chopping I believe. With the extremely uneven canopy, this one was like 1/3 of the height of the Fryday.


What's left of Fryday.

Because of the extreme different levels of the canopy, I've been scoping down each stem/cola to see how far down I should chop. I really have to get a better handle on my husbandry. If anything I've said pops out to u as if I don't know what I'm doing, it's cuz I don't lol Feel free to chime in w any insight or ask why I'm doing what I'm doing as opposed to something u think would b more beneficial! As always, thanks for looking!

 

[Bandit420]

Salutations all! So here is what I'm still working w for doing a wet trim and shoving buds in a hanging net in my dry tent. These pics r after 2 days of chopping last weekend and the chop last night, all of which were off Fryday. I'm gonna get into the rest of the fryday today, and into the freaks as well which r probably in the couch lock stage...

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Current canopy view

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Oldest/biggest freak w it's top cola falling over due to thin ass stems trying to support some super dense buds

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Small ass freak, still way beyond the sweet spot of chopping I believe. With the extremely uneven canopy, this one was like 1/3 of the height of the Fryday.

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What's left of Fryday.

Because of the extreme different levels of the canopy, I've been scoping down each stem/cola to see how far down I should chop. I really have to get a better handle on my husbandry. If anything I've said pops out to u as if I don't know what I'm doing, it's cuz I don't lol Feel free to chime in w any insight or ask why I'm doing what I'm doing as opposed to something u think would b more beneficial! As always, thanks for looking!

The freaks look on point and sexy AF to me man. They should look worn and tired this late in the game on the threshold of death.
Mine were never photogenic but looked great looking up close and in natural light.I could never really capture what I was seeing live on camera. Those terps though always got me licking my lips like I wanted to just start picking buds and eating them.

 

[Stoneyluv]

i can't wait to have a whole table full of those freaks!!!!