The Psyche Gardens

[Observer]

@doublej

It's working, but not how I want it to be.

Maybe the droplet size just isn't small enough for what I want, maybe im using too much water, I'm going in circles about results and not 100% what variable is causing what.

Im not getting those fine fuzzy aeroroots as much as I want, and im not entirely sure WHICH variable is causing what.

The lateral roots would branch off but then get black tips, is that my nutrient Solution? Is that the ratio of the nutrient solution? Is it too much hypochlorous acid? (I stopped using it as i need to get a new bag) is it a bacteria thing? Is it caused by a "dry spot" or zone? Is my on/off time not properly balanced?

A bunch to consider.

 

[doublej]

@doublej

It's working, but not how I want it to be.

Maybe the droplet size just isn't small enough for what I want, maybe im using too much water, I'm going in circles about results and not 100% what variable is causing what.

Im not getting those fine fuzzy aeroroots as much as I want, and im not entirely sure WHICH variable is causing what.

The lateral roots would branch off but then get black tips, is that my nutrient Solution? Is that the ratio of the nutrient solution? Is it too much hypochlorous acid? (I stopped using it as i need to get a new bag) is it a bacteria thing? Is it caused by a "dry spot" or zone? Is my on/off time not properly balanced?

A bunch to consider.

Black tips...hmm. idk, first thing that mits me is maybe "air" maybe ? Something pushing it down right? Haven't played in this department of growing.
So yeah that's a bunch!

 

[ninjadip]

nice!

i was looking at youtube and this video happened to show up by its algorithm

 

[Observer]

nice!

i was looking at youtube and this video happened to show up by its algorithm

Haha, I posted his other video (few pages back) where I saw the pump from, mines slightly different though, the one he got went out of stock, they do look the same though, they might be.

He hasn't updated that series in a month, but he did with a different series a few days ago.

Been waiting on his next aero video but it's been a month, those plants either grew too big or died.


Those roots look so much better tho, fuck.

The mofo never says what cycle timing he uses or tries and I can't get a response from him lol.

 

[Observer]

Lovely green color.

Topped the 2 bigger ones.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Haha, I posted his other video (few pages back) where I saw the pump from, mines slightly different though, the one he got went out of stock, they do look the same though, they might be.

He hasn't updated that series in a month, but he did with a different series a few days ago.

Been waiting on his next aero video but it's been a month, those plants either grew too big or died.


Those roots look so much better tho, fuck.

The mofo never says what cycle timing he uses or tries and I can't get a response from him lol.

The very beginning of the video is to busy for me to see for sure but it looks like water collected in the bottom and his roots were sitting in it.

Definitely looks like he’s dialed it in.

 

[ninjadip]

The very beginning of the video is to busy for me to see for sure but it looks like water collected in the bottom and his roots were sitting in it.

Definitely looks like he’s dialed it in.

Also noticed the neo pucks in the video, I was wondering if the rock cubes might be holding excess water for you,

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

The very beginning of the video is to busy for me to see for sure but it looks like water collected in the bottom and his roots were sitting in it.

Definitely looks like he’s dialed it in.

This is what I'm trying to achieve.

 

[Observer]

Also noticed the neo pucks in the video, I was wondering if the rock cubes might be holding excess water for you,

They get dry, but definitely want to just use collars and pucks next time

 

[ninjadip]

This is what I'm trying to achieve.

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Those look like homemade pucks from pool noodles! Looks hella strong

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

Trying 1/3 on/off

Maybe flip next week get this done and try again.



edit:Ok it doesn't turn on with 1 second lol fuck

 

[Observer]

Aeroponic Cannabis, a new project

Photo of what the misting looks like at 94 PSI, using 0.2 mm misting nozzles. It's really great, the mist stays suspended inside the cubes for quite a while. 😍

www.icmag.com

An "True" HPA system.

 

[Observer]

Ah, Trichoblasts.

 

[ninjadip]

Ah, Trichoblasts.

What's that

 

[Observer]

What's that

That's the proper term for those sexy, fuzzy, efficient, aeroroots lol.

 

[Zen_seeker]

This is what I'm trying to achieve.

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Absolutely.

That’s where you beat out a coffee can with fish bone roots.

Really enjoying this experiment. Carry on sir.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Those look like homemade pucks from pool noodles! Looks hella strong

I used noodles and foam insulation originally. Both are okay but the neoprene works best.

 

[Observer]

Low stress training lol.


I figure if it sits there for 30 minutes to an hour it'll activate some of the plants hormones


This is what Gemini had to say.

Applying mechanical pressure during Low Stress Training (LST) activates the plant's thigmotropic response (growth in response to touch or pressure).

This stimulus influences the levels and distribution of plant hormones, particularly auxins, which play a key role in altering cell elongation and growth direction.

While gibberellins are involved in overall stem elongation, and light conditions trigger shade avoidance responses (related to phytochromes and hormone balance), the plant's immediate adaptation to the physical constraint is significantly mediated by changes in auxin signaling, prompting it to adjust its growth pattern in response to the pressure.

 

[Observer]

Ok I was not familiar with the term

Thigmotropism

 

[Stoneyluv]

Ok I was not familiar with the term

Thigmotropism

you think maybe gemini is just making words up now to make itself sound smarter? haha

learned something new!!

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your plants are in fog, correct?

 

[Observer]

you think maybe gemini is just making words up now to make itself sound smarter? haha

Yeah I went to double check that lol

learned something new!!

Yup, i never heard that term before.
ima post some more info about the cellular level, then molecular and atomic, then at the quantum level here in a little bit.

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your plants are in fog, correct?

Close, fog is 1-10um droplet size, I'm "around" an average of 40um droplet size, more of a fine mist then running a ultrasonic fogger.

I just need a fan in chamber to run my fogger.

 

[Observer]

you think maybe gemini is just making words up now to make itself sound smarter? haha

learned something new!!

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your plants are in fog, correct?

There's a bunch of tropisms lol

Here is a list of some of the key plant-related tropisms, which are directional growth responses to external stimuli:

1. Phototropism: Growth in response to light. Stems typically exhibit positive phototropism (grow towards light), while roots often show negative phototropism (grow away from light or are insensitive).

2. Gravitropism (or Geotropism): Growth in response to gravity. Roots typically show positive gravitropism (grow downwards in the direction of gravity), while shoots exhibit negative gravitropism (grow upwards against the direction of gravity).

3. Thigmotropism: Growth in response to touch or physical contact. This is evident in the coiling of tendrils around a support or the hardening of stems subjected to wind. It can be positive (growing towards touch) or negative (growing away from touch).

4. Hydrotropism: Growth in response to water. Roots typically show positive hydrotropism (grow towards water sources), which can be a stronger influence than gravitropism in some cases.

5. Chemotropism: Growth in response to chemicals. This can include roots growing towards beneficial nutrients or away from toxic substances, or pollen tubes growing towards the ovule in response to chemical signals.

6. Thermotropism: Growth in response to temperature. While less commonly discussed than others, some plant parts, like roots, may show directional growth responses to temperature gradients.

Like a class category of growth responses from different bio, environment, mechanical, or chemical stimuli.

 

[Observer]

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I think i need to add another pump or see if I can get a smaller nozzle orifice to get a smaller average droplet size to get the true HPA results...Damnit.....for now work on my W/D cycle times

 

[Observer]

Black tips...hmm. idk, first thing that mits me is maybe "air" maybe ? Something pushing it down right? Haven't played in this department of growing.
So yeah that's a bunch!

I think it was getting to dry on the outer, as I was not saturating with enough mist


I'm either overspraying or underspraying lol

 

[Observer]

Doing a slow flip starting tonight, on and off times will move 30 minutes towards eachother

Not sure if I'll change the light timer every night or everywhere yet

 

[Observer]

That's "2 seconds on" with this timer.


The 1 second on, does not come on, I suppose because the pump needs 1 second to prime, lol.

That 2second mist looks good, but I don't think it's enough, unless it's a shorter off time?

Creating a pulsing, breathing like motion with the roots......

So I'm sitting here playing with 2s and 3s on, 1m off, 2-5 mins off, seeing if they drip before the next spray



Notes.

 

[doublej]

Fine tuning, could pressure add to it?

 

[Observer]

Doing a slow flip starting tonight, on and off times will move 30 minutes towards eachother

Not sure if I'll change the light timer every night or everywhere yet

Every other night*