The Psyche Gardens

[Observer]

I've "bottomed' the longest root too again BTW @Zen_seeker


To try and encourage more lateral branching?rooting? Lol.

 

[Observer]

2s/4m~ -on/off
16~HRS
100-200~PPFD/4-16 DLI

0.2E.C/150-300PPM of 10-14-26+sum tap+calcium hypochlorous acid+extra mag sulfate & pinch of potassium sulfate.

5.4-6.0 pH
70-86F/35-75% RH

Take the last picture with a grain of salt, not very accurate, just mobile light sensor and some arbitrary app, "tentbuddy".

But good enough for a "range" I think.

 

[Observer]

2s/4m~ -on/off
16~HRS
100-200~PPFD/4-16 DLI

0.2E.C/150-300PPM of 10-14-26+sum tap+calcium hypochlorous acid+extra mag sulfate & pinch of potassium sulfate.

5.4-6.0 pH
70-86F/35-75% RH

Take the last picture with a grain of salt, not very accurate, just mobile light sensor and some arbitrary app, "tentbuddy".

But good enough for a "range" I think.

As of this post I already changed to 2s/3m lol

The 2s doesn't kick on for a real 2 seconds due to the pump and electrical timing(?)

 

[Zen_seeker]

I meant, would u guys like to see me just go ahead and flip or wait a little more

Up to you. Either would be interesting.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I've "bottomed' the longest root too again BTW @Zen_seeker


To try and encourage more lateral branching?rooting? Lol.

When my red coffee can has a lower water line some of the best/bushiest lateral roots occur in the air space between the waters surface and the bottom of the neoprene plant plug/puck.

Now this is always clones not seedlings so no tap root but might still be relevant.

They remain white and this is in standing tap water I dump and replace every week or so. Things aren’t air tight and it’s usually low light and high humidity.

 

[Observer]

 

[BlueCollarBob]

A bigger, more fuzzy/aero like root system.


but i also figure once I switch, its demands will change, and growth rate would increase based off its needs, and ill be able to observe more data in a shorter amount of time.

I'm not getting the results I should or want, maybe I need a higher pressure pump, smaller droplet size ultimately, besides accounting for the canopy environment variables.

Maybe my timings are not optimized or my nutrient ratio, maybe im using too much or too less water.

It seems it basically has to be about perfect, "growing roots" are more finicky than just "growing a canopy"

Figuring it out.

I doubt I've come across anything new to you, but I checked out a few videos of different misting/fogging set ups. Out of the gate, I think I like your approach with the water pump better than the air syphon systems. I just keep imagining the noise from the air compressor starting up when the air pressure drops off. It does look loke you can achieve some super fine fog with those systems, though.

I came across a video of a guy testing a handful of different nozzles. I like how he used a laser light to help visualize how long the mist/fog hangs around for each nozzle. I think the pump he used has similar specs to yours:

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

When my red coffee can has a lower water line some of the best/bushiest lateral roots occur in the air space between the waters surface and the bottom of the neoprene plant plug/puck.

A "perfect or, ideal" "aero" "zone" for "aeroroots" to grow? , lol.

Now this is always clones not seedlings so no tap root but might still be relevant.

They remain white and this is in standing tap water I dump and replace every week or so. Things aren’t air tight and it’s usually low light and high humidity.

Having a better photon barrier is on my mind too, will do in the 2.0 setup

 

[Observer]

Looking pretty healthy imo, growth rate could of been better though.

 

[Observer]

I doubt I've come across anything new to you, but I checked out a few videos of different misting/fogging set ups. Out of the gate, I think I like your approach with the water pump better than the air syphon systems. I just keep imagining the noise from the air compressor starting up when the air pressure drops off. It does look loke you can achieve some super fine fog with those systems, though.

I came across a video of a guy testing a handful of different nozzles. I like how he used a laser light to help visualize how long the mist/fog hangs around for each nozzle. I think the pump he used has similar specs to yours:

Sweet

Thanks for posting this I'll reply more on this when I get more time

 

[Zen_seeker]

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Tops look healthy and happy.

 

[Zen_seeker]

A "perfect or, ideal" "aero" "zone" for "aeroroots" to grow? , lol.

Since the humidity is so high and there is an inch or two of space I was wondering if that is a factor?

Just a thought while I vape along.

Having a better photon barrier is on my mind too, will do in the 2.0 setup

Cool.

 

[Observer]

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[Driver77]

Is there a time limit on how long you keep them in the system or is it more a size thing? or can a plant be grown to harvest in it??

 

[Observer]

Is there a time limit on how long you keep them in the system or is it more a size thing?

As long as there's room for the roots.

or can a plant be grown to harvest in it??

Definitely, gonna flip these soon, hopefully they aren't males lol.

 

[Observer]

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[doublej]

.looks like it's working, pretty cool!!

 

[Observer]

@doublej

It's working, but not how I want it to be.

Maybe the droplet size just isn't small enough for what I want, maybe im using too much water, I'm going in circles about results and not 100% what variable is causing what.

Im not getting those fine fuzzy aeroroots as much as I want, and im not entirely sure WHICH variable is causing what.

The lateral roots would branch off but then get black tips, is that my nutrient Solution? Is that the ratio of the nutrient solution? Is it too much hypochlorous acid? (I stopped using it as i need to get a new bag) is it a bacteria thing? Is it caused by a "dry spot" or zone? Is my on/off time not properly balanced?

A bunch to consider.

 

[doublej]

@doublej

It's working, but not how I want it to be.

Maybe the droplet size just isn't small enough for what I want, maybe im using too much water, I'm going in circles about results and not 100% what variable is causing what.

Im not getting those fine fuzzy aeroroots as much as I want, and im not entirely sure WHICH variable is causing what.

The lateral roots would branch off but then get black tips, is that my nutrient Solution? Is that the ratio of the nutrient solution? Is it too much hypochlorous acid? (I stopped using it as i need to get a new bag) is it a bacteria thing? Is it caused by a "dry spot" or zone? Is my on/off time not properly balanced?

A bunch to consider.

Black tips...hmm. idk, first thing that mits me is maybe "air" maybe ? Something pushing it down right? Haven't played in this department of growing.
So yeah that's a bunch!

 

[ninjadip]

nice!

i was looking at youtube and this video happened to show up by its algorithm

 

[Observer]

nice!

i was looking at youtube and this video happened to show up by its algorithm

Haha, I posted his other video (few pages back) where I saw the pump from, mines slightly different though, the one he got went out of stock, they do look the same though, they might be.

He hasn't updated that series in a month, but he did with a different series a few days ago.

Been waiting on his next aero video but it's been a month, those plants either grew too big or died.


Those roots look so much better tho, fuck.

The mofo never says what cycle timing he uses or tries and I can't get a response from him lol.

 

[Observer]

Lovely green color.

Topped the 2 bigger ones.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Haha, I posted his other video (few pages back) where I saw the pump from, mines slightly different though, the one he got went out of stock, they do look the same though, they might be.

He hasn't updated that series in a month, but he did with a different series a few days ago.

Been waiting on his next aero video but it's been a month, those plants either grew too big or died.


Those roots look so much better tho, fuck.

The mofo never says what cycle timing he uses or tries and I can't get a response from him lol.

The very beginning of the video is to busy for me to see for sure but it looks like water collected in the bottom and his roots were sitting in it.

Definitely looks like he’s dialed it in.

 

[ninjadip]

The very beginning of the video is to busy for me to see for sure but it looks like water collected in the bottom and his roots were sitting in it.

Definitely looks like he’s dialed it in.

Also noticed the neo pucks in the video, I was wondering if the rock cubes might be holding excess water for you,

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

The very beginning of the video is to busy for me to see for sure but it looks like water collected in the bottom and his roots were sitting in it.

Definitely looks like he’s dialed it in.

This is what I'm trying to achieve.

 

[Observer]

Also noticed the neo pucks in the video, I was wondering if the rock cubes might be holding excess water for you,

They get dry, but definitely want to just use collars and pucks next time

 

[ninjadip]

This is what I'm trying to achieve.

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Those look like homemade pucks from pool noodles! Looks hella strong

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

Trying 1/3 on/off

Maybe flip next week get this done and try again.



edit:Ok it doesn't turn on with 1 second lol fuck

 

[Observer]

Aeroponic Cannabis, a new project

Photo of what the misting looks like at 94 PSI, using 0.2 mm misting nozzles. It's really great, the mist stays suspended inside the cubes for quite a while. 😍

www.icmag.com

An "True" HPA system.

 

[Observer]

Ah, Trichoblasts.

 

[ninjadip]

Ah, Trichoblasts.

What's that

 

[Observer]

What's that

That's the proper term for those sexy, fuzzy, efficient, aeroroots lol.

 

[Zen_seeker]

This is what I'm trying to achieve.

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Absolutely.

That’s where you beat out a coffee can with fish bone roots.

Really enjoying this experiment. Carry on sir.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Those look like homemade pucks from pool noodles! Looks hella strong

I used noodles and foam insulation originally. Both are okay but the neoprene works best.

 

[Observer]

Low stress training lol.


I figure if it sits there for 30 minutes to an hour it'll activate some of the plants hormones


This is what Gemini had to say.

Applying mechanical pressure during Low Stress Training (LST) activates the plant's thigmotropic response (growth in response to touch or pressure).

This stimulus influences the levels and distribution of plant hormones, particularly auxins, which play a key role in altering cell elongation and growth direction.

While gibberellins are involved in overall stem elongation, and light conditions trigger shade avoidance responses (related to phytochromes and hormone balance), the plant's immediate adaptation to the physical constraint is significantly mediated by changes in auxin signaling, prompting it to adjust its growth pattern in response to the pressure.