The Psyche Gardens

[Observer]

Root system getting bigger

2s/3m.

About have the timings down, I need A finer, average droplet size!

 

[Observer]

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[Stoneyluv]

Root system getting bigger

2s/3m.

About have the timings down, I need A finer, average droplet size!

so do i understand you correctly, you're droplet size in somewhere between fog and aero?

impressive man!! unknown territory!!

 

[Observer]

so do i understand you correctly, you're droplet size in somewhere between fog and aero?

Yup

impressive man!! unknown territory!!

Love being able to watch the roots grow.


Fogponics
1-10, 1-20 microns

High pressure aeroponics
10-50 micron water droplet size

Low pressure aeroponics
50-100um droplet size


This pump allegedly reports an average of 40um dropletsize at 70 PSI

Now I just gotta make a better system.

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

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[Observer]

Some bad bacteria there, I'll hit it with hypo, out of h²o²

 

[Observer]

.just need 2 more seeds to pop

 

[Observer]

Some trichoblasts.

 

[Observer]

 

[Observer]

 

[Observer]

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Watch it branch off faster

Better w/d timings though too, so gotta consider that variable in the calculation(s).

 

[ninjadip]

noicee! she be healthy!

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

2 slots left to fill.

Get passed the seedling stage and then might just flip, the bigger one will get too big maybe if I don't lol.

Thinking about topping its 2 new tops and topping it's lateral tops, just because.

Hmm

 

[Observer]

"Topped" these 2 side branches, and topped the tops, lol.

Those kind of scissors work well.

 

[Observer]

Scrubbed the AeroTote out with this lol

 

[Observer]

=)

She's gonna be bushy, topped the whole plant lol.

 

[Observer]

2 seconds on, and between, 1-3 minutes off.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

2 seconds on, and between, 1-3 minutes off.

Have you been running these intervals long enough to get a feel for whether you'll stick with these numbers for a while or are you seeing something that's calling for more near term tweaking?

 

[Observer]

Have you been running these intervals long enough to get a feel for whether you'll stick with these numbers for a while

yea, if i go longer the roots wont develop as much higher up it appears, after running shorter off times, like they are at the bottom where some water remains.

And if it gets too dry, then it defeats the whole point of HPA, developing those more efficient but sensitive trichoblast root morphology.

Which leads me to almost conclude that I need a more consistent and smaller average droplet size to get those roots, easier, consistently.

it's like trying to get a bunch of balls (water molecules with ions) into a bunch of micro fine holes, if they are too big they bounce off, and could damage those fine root hairs.

or are you seeing something that's calling for more near term tweaking?

as it grows it may need less frequent , so instead of 2 minutes, 3-4 minutes becomes more optimal to start allowing the plant/root system access to more oxygen, so the root system isn't drenched, which allows water molecules to combine into bigger ones, being counter productive.

In short.

(Let's say I'm getting 40-80um droplet size when it kicks on and off, when it should be a consistent 10-50um droplet size everytime it cycles)

Finer/smaller average droplet size, consistent, on/ off no squirts from the nozzles as it turns off, using an accumulator tank, solenoids and pressure switches solves most of that if I combined it with this little pump, maybe. Or just get another pump, but they'll wear out faster.

On/off will be frequent for younger plants and slightly differ apart as plant matures, in a proper 10-50um droplet size HPA System

So now that I got that all figured, just need to upgrade my misting system.

Sorry for the wall of text lol.

I said In short, and made it longer, oof.

 

[Observer]

minor tweaks, but mostly set and just letting them grow, till i can make upgrades.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

yea, if i go longer the roots wont develop as much higher up it appears, after running shorter off times, like they are at the bottom where some water remains.

And if it gets too dry, then it defeats the whole point of HPA, developing those more efficient but sensitive trichoblast root morphology.

Which leads me to almost conclude that I need a more consistent and smaller average droplet size to get those roots, easier, consistently.

it's like trying to get a bunch of balls (water molecules with ions) into a bunch of micro fine holes, if they are too big they bounce off, and could damage those fine root hairs.

as it grows it may need less frequent , so instead of 2 minutes, 3-4 minutes becomes more optimal to start allowing the plant/root system access to more oxygen, so the root system isn't drenched, which allows water molecules to combine into bigger ones, being counter productive.

In short.

(Let's say I'm getting 40-80um droplet size when it kicks on and off, when it should be a consistent 10-50um droplet size everytime it cycles)

Finer/smaller average droplet size, consistent, on/ off no squirts from the nozzles as it turns off, using an accumulator tank, solenoids and pressure switches solves most of that if I combined it with this little pump, maybe. Or just get another pump, but they'll wear out faster.

On/off will be frequent for younger plants and slightly differ apart as plant matures, in a proper 10-50um droplet size HPA System

So now that I got that all figured, just need to upgrade my misting system.

Sorry for the wall of text lol.

I said In short, and made it longer, oof.

I didn't see it as a wall of text. It's an interesting grow style and I enjoy trying to follow along.

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

Roots


And some probably nasty bacteria buildup on the netcup, I could rinse it off before but can't really get this plant out of here now lol

 

[Observer]

Might replace this one, the others aren't being this sensitive to the nutrients, at least, thats what I think is causing this.

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

need to clean the tote, nozzles and maybe rinse the pump out again too, wouldn't hurt.

 

[Observer]

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see where it started to dry up/ die off, and now with the more frequent w/d cycles it's recovering and growing roots out closer to the top too.

 

[Observer]

Incrementally increasing Ca(ClO)₂ dosage with each gallon to find the sweet spot without causing too much damage to the plants.

0.9 grams (poolshock) in 500ml purified water, added 1.5ml to gallon of nutrient solution, not able to correlate any negative plant responses yet, Increasing to 2ml/gallon from the 500ml pool shock stock solution.

 

[Stoneyluv]

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is this the first ever wall mounted VG? badass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Observer]

is this the first ever wall mounted VG? badass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, @ around 5k lumens too, I may just see how long I can grow it in there too lol.

figured I'd germ extra this time just in case, go with the best looking ones and have backup if any die, try to be more uniform.

Mount the purple one to the other side if I need too lol

 

[Observer]

Oh, and the little pepper plants.

They don't get much attention.

 

[Observer]

 

[Observer]

Scrubbed the tote down, flushed the pump and line, and cleaned the nozzles.

 

[Observer]

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[Observer]

14 tops on the big one, removed the top 2 leafs shadowing the canopy.


And eee, I probably need to do something about that, lol.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Looks like a leaf stem fell in. Started to mold.