White Rhino in The Great White North

[Beachwalker]

-Separating my grow diary from my other diary which has turned into pictures of deer and wood fires-

Some of my readings were so off the chart and different from each other that I feel I need to condense this grow to keep a better eye on it

First heavy flush 11/12

One plant was 778 PPM and Below 6.0 pH on my aquarium drops scale

Another was 1138 PPM and also below 6.0 pH

And the rest were between 325 and 375 PPM at 6.4 - 6.6 pH, which I consider normal.

Until the last watering, all plants had been fed the same thing at the same time, MasterBlend at 500-550 PPM and 6.8 pH

The two plants that had the abnormal readings were watered separately from the rest last watering, and I'm not sure what I did wrong but I think that feeding was what caused the abnormal readings

So anyway they've been flushed, they're all about 350 - 400 PPM at 6.4 - 6.6 pH now

Friday my GH Micro will come and I'm going to switch them over to that per directions, I used that for years, I still have a couple almost full gallons here

The reason I'm switching is I'm having crazy readings with Masterblend and I don't have time nor desire to figure out why right now

 

[Beachwalker]

Update:

 

[HighDesertScott]

Following along here, I popped some of the same on 10/5 in living soil. I did 2 white Rhino and 2 Exodus Cheese - Greenhouse Seeds.

 

[Beachwalker]

Following along here, I popped some of the same on 10/5 in living soil. I did 2 white Rhino and 2 Exodus Cheese - Greenhouse Seeds.

Yup, Greenhouse seeds, 100% germination

 

[Pipecarver]

-Separating my grow diary from my other diary which has turned into pictures of deer and wood fires-

Some of my readings were so off the chart and different from each other that I feel I need to condense this grow to keep a better eye on it

First heavy flush 11/12

One plant was 778 PPM and Below 6.0 pH on my aquarium drops scale

Another was 1138 PPM and also below 6.0 pH

And the rest were between 325 and 375 PPM at 6.4 - 6.6 pH, which I consider normal.

Until the last watering, all plants had been fed the same thing at the same time, MasterBlend at 500-550 PPM and 6.8 pH

The two plants that had the abnormal readings were watered separately from the rest last watering, and I'm not sure what I did wrong but I think that feeding was what caused the abnormal readings

So anyway they've been flushed, they're all about 350 - 400 PPM at 6.4 - 6.6 pH now

Friday my GH Micro will come and I'm going to switch them over to that per directions, I used that for years, I still have a couple almost full gallons here

The reason I'm switching is I'm having crazy readings with Masterblend and I don't have time nor desire to figure out why right nowView attachment 118145View attachment 118144

Hey, welcome to GH nutes. I use them all Rapid Start, Micro/Grow/Bloom/Koolbloom liquid, Koolbloom, Dry, Cal/Magic, Diamond Nectar & Flurokleen I mix balanced feed, veg 2/2/2/2- 3/3/3/3 - 4/4/4/4 - 5/5/5/4 - flower 5/5/8/4 - 4/4/8/4/5 - 5/3/3/8/4/5 ml/gal ect

 

[HighDesertScott]

Yup, Greenhouse seeds, 100% germination

I tried Afgooey with a zero percent germination rate - whole pack of 5 were duds - reached out to GH and never heard back, removed them from my list of trusted companies to purchase from. The Rhino and Cheese were 100%

 

[Beachwalker]

Hey, welcome to GH nutes. I use them all Rapid Start, Micro/Grow/Bloom/Koolbloom liquid, Koolbloom, Dry, Cal/Magic, Diamond Nectar & Flurokleen I mix balanced feed, veg 2/2/2/2- 3/3/3/3 - 4/4/4/4 - 5/5/5/4 - flower 5/5/8/4 - 4/4/8/4/5 - 5/3/3/8/4/5 ml/gal ect

I've seen your feeding schedule before, a little too complicated for me (I'm still trying to figure out that whole radiator thing) I'm just going to go with basic ratios on the bottle and I've got a little Cali mag here if I need it but thanks anyway!

How's the cat doing? I hope better, if not probably time for blood test. Last time I had blood tests on my cat it was over $300 if you can believe it !!!

Edit: I think the bill included the office visit though

 

[Beachwalker]

I tried Afgooey with a zero percent germination rate - whole pack of 5 were duds - reached out to GH and never heard back, removed them from my list of trusted companies to purchase from. The Rhino and Cheese were 100%

Have you grown their cheese before or is this your first time with it?

 

[Costanza]

I've seen your feeding schedule before, a little too complicated for me (I'm still trying to figure out that whole radiator thing) I'm just going to go with basic ratios on the bottle and I've got a little Cali mag here if I need it but thanks anyway!

How's the cat doing? I hope better, if not probably time for blood test. Last time I had blood tests on my cat it was over $300 if you can believe it !!!

I've heard good things about this method, was planning on trying it on a future grow

Best Hydroponics Nutrients | Lucas Formula

Easiest nutrient schedule and grow guide for vegetation and flowering when using hydroponics, specifically deep water culture

hackingthegrow.com

 

[Beachwalker]

I've heard good things about this method, was planning on trying it on a future grow

Best Hydroponics Nutrients | Lucas Formula

Easiest nutrient schedule and grow guide for vegetation and flowering when using hydroponics, specifically deep water culture

hackingthegrow.com

I'm aware of that, it uses just 2 parts, I've never tried it

 

[Costanza]

I'm aware of that, it uses just 2 parts, I've never tried it

yeah it looks easy I'm curious if it would work well
if so would be cheaper than what I'm using

 

[Beachwalker]

I've heard good things about this method, was planning on trying it on a future grow

Best Hydroponics Nutrients | Lucas Formula

Easiest nutrient schedule and grow guide for vegetation and flowering when using hydroponics, specifically deep water culture

hackingthegrow.com

It's been over 5 years since I've used GH but I do recall from those days that everyone who used it liked it.

I almost tried it back then but I had gallons of all three so I stayed with the basic recipe

 

[Pipecarver]

I've seen your feeding schedule before, a little too complicated for me (I'm still trying to figure out that whole radiator thing) I'm just going to go with basic ratios on the bottle and I've got a little Cali mag here if I need it but thanks anyway!

How's the cat doing? I hope better, if not probably time for blood test. Last time I had blood tests on my cat it was over $300 if you can believe it !!!

Edit: I think the bill included the office visit though

Qnights about the same....Vet called today, we're just keeping an eye on him, hes still hiding a lot

Micro first, then Grow, then Bloom,& Diamond Nectar at 2 ml/gal each 2/2/2/2.....M/G/B/DN of veg and upping the numbers /week. to a max of 5/5/5/4 until I flip them.

2nd week of flower I start adding KoolBloom liquid at) 1/2 dose first week I add it) and up my bloom a bit to 7 ml/gal for numbers 5/5/5/7/2.5/

I start with cal/mag to be mixed in first at 5ml/gal on the 3rd week of flower so 5/4/4/8/5/4 for Cal/mag/micro/grow/ bloom/Koolbloom/Diamond nectar.

At weeks 6 - 9 in flower I drop Koolbloom liquid and start with Koolbloom dry at 1/4 tsp/gal so my mix is 5/3/3/8/1/4tspKB/4

Aft week 9 I taper off 4/2/2/6/2 I drop the koolbloom dry - 2/1/1/4/2 -1/1/1/1/......as per my graph then if there's any still standing I'LL run flurokleen through Until I pull them all

Now this is all me it may not work same with your water. I've played with the numbers but its basically whats on the bottles & feed charts except for decimal numbers in feed

 

[HighDesertScott]

Have you grown their cheese before or is this your first time with it?

This is the first time for Cheese, so far it is much larger then the Rhino which is going to make flowering in the same tent more challenging, thinking I will raise the Rhino's up to even out the canopy, or move them to another tent.

 

[Beachwalker]

Qnights about the same....Vet called today, we're just keeping an eye on him, hes still hiding a lot

Micro first, then Grow, then Bloom,& Diamond Nectar at 2 ml/gal each 2/2/2/2.....M/G/B/DN of veg and upping the numbers /week. to a max of 5/5/5/4 until I flip them.

2nd week of flower I start adding KoolBloom liquid at) 1/2 dose first week I add it) and up my bloom a bit to 7 ml/gal for numbers 5/5/5/7/2.5/

I start with cal/mag to be mixed in first at 5ml/gal on the 3rd week of flower so 5/4/4/8/5/4 for Cal/mag/micro/grow/ bloom/Koolbloom/Diamond nectar.

At weeks 6 - 9 in flower I drop Koolbloom liquid and start with Koolbloom dry at 1/4 tsp/gal so my mix is 5/3/3/8/1/4tspKB/4

Aft week 9 I taper off 4/2/2/6/2 I drop the koolbloom dry - 2/1/1/4/2 -1/1/1/1/......as per my graph then if there's any still standing I'LL run flurokleen through Until I pull them all

Now this is all me it may not work same with your water. I've played with the numbers but its basically whats on the bottles & feed charts except for decimal numbers in feed

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I knew there was a certain order, thanks for posting it

As for the rest I'm doing this to simplify things so I am not going to do any of that I'm mixing straight from the label, but thank you for posting that!

I'm guessing the vet checked the cats teeth, right?

 

[Pipecarver]

I knew there was a certain order, thanks for posting it

As for the rest I'm doing this to simplify things so I am not going to do any of that I'm mixing straight from the label, but thank you for posting that!

I'm guessing the vet checked the cats teeth, right?

Yes that was one of the first things they looked at. Cats do get seasonal depressions according to the vet, winter and Spring she said were the times most associated with it. The day we had him out and it was grey and dreary this started. Its almost like hes crying at times. can't find any pain spots and other than being down hes not sick, no temperature, hes not dehydrated. Hes lost weight this week almost 1/2 lb cause hes not eating enough. I tried to take him down here with me last night and he went and hid.....not like him at all.

 

[Beachwalker]

yeah it looks easy I'm curious if it would work well
if so would be cheaper than what I'm using

I meant to say I recall all those that use the Lucas formula liked it, it uses micro and I can't remember if it was grow or bloom, but it only uses two

 

[Beachwalker]

Yes that was one of the first things they looked at. Cats do get seasonal depressions according to the vet, winter and Spring she said were the times most associated with it. The day we had him out and it was grey and dreary this started. Its almost like hes crying at times. can't find any pain spots and other than being down hes not sick, no temperature, hes not dehydrated. Hes lost weight this week almost 1/2 lb cause hes not eating enough. I tried to take him down here with me last night and he went and hid.....not like him at all.

That's why I took my cat to the vet, she gets Moody in Spring and fall. I can't remember which it was but she was just laying there and I thought I'd better have her checked out

 

[Pipecarver]

That's why I took my cat to the vet, she gets Moody in Spring and fall. I can't remember which it was but she was just laying there and I thought I'd better have her checked out

I've never tried it I had a guru a long time ago that got me started and he used all 3 M/G/B I've added the rest, 1 by 1

Yes hes up on my wifes legs now sleeping, she's trapped. He got up after some encouragement and seems a bit perkier. I hope. I was going to bring him down with me but Coal wanted to come and Qnight was sleeping , Coals easy, a 20lb harbor seal with legs, walks with me like a puppy

 

[Beachwalker]

Update: 11/17

Switched feed to GH Flora series

Added 3ml silicone first

Mixed according to bottle for "transition to bloom" at 2 teaspoons of each

Gave me over 1,700 PPM

Cut it three to one for 600 ppm

pH was 6.7 with no adjustment

Tomorrow switching MH bulb to HPS

 

[Observer]

Are you measuring the run off ppm out of a "organic soil mix"?

That would explain "high" ppms'.

 

[Observer]

yeah it looks easy I'm curious if it would work well
if so would be cheaper than what I'm using

Can't get cheaper than buying bulk "salts" and mixing your own ratios, so far ime.

 

[Beachwalker]

Are you measuring the run off ppm out of a "organic soil mix"?

That would explain "high" ppms'.

No. I followed the GH label exactly. two teaspoons each of micro, grow and Flora into one gallon water (@130ppm) gave me over 1,700 PPM

 

[Beachwalker]

Are you measuring the run off ppm out of a "organic soil mix"?

That would explain "high" ppms'.

Followed 'Transition To Bloom', adding 2 teaspoons (not tablespoons) of each per gallon of water

The ppm was sky-high, diluted it with two parts of water to one part of solution down to 600ppm

I don't get it, if I used it as directed I would have killed my plants

I'm going to ask pipe carver about it later because he uses it

 

[Pipecarver]

No. I followed the GH label exactly. two teaspoons each of micro, grow and Flora into one gallon water (@130ppm) gave me over 1,700 PPM

Hey, 2 tsp = 10 ml. I never ever give 10 ml of anything to my plants, even bloom in flower only gets 8ml/gal ( 1.5tsp) Plants your size could be at 3-4 ml/gal....I think that aggressive growth must be when they are far older than what you have there. I can never see a need for 15ml/Micro/gal.

I just fed yesterday 2/2/2ml/gal for 3 week old plants. Micro/grow/bloom + 1ml Flurolicous Plus/gal My next feed will be 3/3/3/1 - Then I'll transplant to Autopots and feed 4/4/4/4---Switching to Diamond Nectar ( cleaner than Flurolicious Plus through my valves )

I'll have to check my bottles when I get down stairs later to compare. I'm surprised at those numbers on your labels. I don't remember ever feeding so heavy.

 

[Beachwalker]

Hey, 2 tsp = 10 ml. I never ever give 10 ml of anything to my plants, even bloom in flower only gets 8ml/gal ( 1.5tsp) Plants your size could be at 3-4 ml/gal....I think that aggressive growth must be when they are far older than what you have there. I can never see a need for 15ml/Micro/gal.

I just fed yesterday 2/2/2ml/gal for 3 week old plants. Micro/grow/bloom + 1ml Flurolicous Plus/gal My next feed will be 3/3/3/1 - Then I'll transplant to Autopots and feed 4/4/4/4---Switching to Diamond Nectar ( cleaner than Flurolicious Plus through my valves )

I'll have to check my bottles when I get down stairs later to compare. I'm surprised at those numbers on your labels. I don't remember ever feeding so heavy.

Right! As soon as I took the reading I had to look at the bottle again! That would have killed somebody's plants if they didn't have the meter and just went by the recommendations on the bottle!

I don't think I've ever fed above 1000ppm, and that was only one particular strain that was a heavy feeder

But cutting it 2 to 1 with tap water it comes out a perfect 6.7 at 600 PPM, so it worked out well. I'll mix it like that and just keep cutting it to where I want it

 

[Beachwalker]

Update: 2 weeks in bloom today, stretch seems to be over, they should stack nicely

Feeding at 625 ppm/500 scale

 

[Pipecarver]

Update: 2 weeks in bloom today, stretch seems to be over, they should stack nicely

Feeding at 625 ppm/500 scale

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2 weeks into flower? They're not done stretching yet then, almost 4 weeks, 3 weeks before stems start to harden up. I can't turn on my far reds until after stretching is done at 5 weeks...just saying, I thinks they've more to go. Looking good though, everything is healthy looking

 

[Beachwalker]

2 weeks into flower? They're not done stretching yet then, almost 4 weeks, 3 weeks before stems start to harden up. I can't turn on my far reds until after stretching is done at 5 weeks...just saying, I thinks they've more to go. Looking good though, everything is healthy looking

Yeah they'll stretch a little more but they won't get much taller than that

Next feeding they get bamboo sticks and string for support

I don't recall White Rhino being heavy feeders, I think 650ppm will be as strong as I go

 

[Beachwalker]

Update: White Rhino

17 days in bloom

 

[Beachwalker]

Update:
Thanksgiving

Stacking nicely
Feeding 650ppm / 6.6pH

 

[Beachwalker]

This is the runt in the middle, all caught up now

Not a bad profile

 

[Beachwalker]

Its that time of the year where it's tough to get the temperature in the grow room up, being the furthest room from the heat source

The roots are up off the ground on thick styrofoam sheets which helps, but instead of adding reptile heaters I'll turn the light from 400 watts to 600, and I'll turn the fan down a little too

I'll just raise the lights a little bit until they adjust, the extra wattage will increase the heat and the harvest

I'll be hanging the filter for these White Rhino's, they're starting to stink!

 

[Beachwalker]

These are the temps I'm dealing with, 65°f is the grow tent

I just turned the light from 400 to 600 watts, I meant to do it last night but Kitty and I were hunting a mouse all night a successful hunt I might add

The temperature went up a degree in about 5 minutes! I do have reptile heaters but we'll see how this goes first

I'm hoping for 68°f, that's the best I can do during the coldest part of the night due to proximity to the heat source

Plants are still doing good, they seem happy! I'm happy, Kitty's happy, everyone's happy, so Merry Christmas!!!


btw I got to say Merry Christmas for the first time this year yesterday to the woman who works at the post office (she's also my neighbor) I realized I probably wouldn't see her again this year, so...

Edit: I have a new 25 ft of 6-in vent, I'm going to use it in the tents inlet and run it into the main room, it's black so I can put it behind furniture or what have you unnoticed, it will add a degree or two

 

[Beachwalker]

These are the temps I'm dealing with, 65°f is the grow tentView attachment 119966

I just turned the light from 400 to 600 watts, I meant to do it last night but Kitty and I were hunting a mouse all night a successful hunt I might add

The temperature went up a degree in about 5 minutes! I do have reptile heaters but we'll see how this goes first

I'm hoping for 68°f, that's the best I can do during the coldest part of the night due to proximity to the heat source

Plants are still doing good, they seem happy! I'm happy, Kitty's happy, everyone's happy, so Merry Christmas!!!
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btw I got to say Merry Christmas for the first time this year yesterday to the woman who works at the post office (she's also my neighbor) I realized I probably wouldn't see her again this year, so...

Edit: I have a new 25 ft of 6-in vent, I'm going to use it in the tents inlet and run it into the main room, it's black so I can put it behind furniture or what have you unnoticed, it will add a degree or two

The ambient temperature in the room was almost 68°, so the low tent temperature didn't make sense

Moved the sensor from the tent floor up onto one of the hunks of Styrofoam that the plants sit on, in addition to their usual plastic tray

In a few minutes the temperature rose to almost at 70°

I've been taking the coldest possible reading in there but the plants aren't on the cold floor, I never do that, that's how you start having not only slowed growth but root issues too

 

[Beachwalker]

Now that I think about it back at the beach house I had a thick styrofoam floor underneath the tents floor pan

I think I packed all that styrofoam, think I saw it up in the garage loft, I'll take a look if I remember later when I'm getting wood. It might add a bit more insulation

(This is basically a reminder to myself)

 

[Pipecarver]

Now that I think about it back at the beach house I had a thick styrofoam floor underneath the tents floor pan

I think I packed all that styrofoam, think I saw it up in the garage loft, I'll take a look if I remember later when I'm getting wood. It might add a bit more insulation

(This is basically a reminder to myself)

Ya, cold doesn't help growth at all. If it was me I'd have the heat on asap to get it up 76-78f with lights on. Its the water in the pots I don't want cold, the soil doesn't dry fast enough and the roots sit in cold & damp too long. I've added scrap styrofoam pieces and a sleeping bag on top of my tent, it needs more but it helps keep the heat I get in the tent longer ( I hope) Good luck we've just started the BS, summer can't get here soon enough for my liking.

 

[Beachwalker]

Ya, cold doesn't help growth at all. If it was me I'd have the heat on asap to get it up 76-78f with lights on. Its the water in the pots I don't want cold, the soil doesn't dry fast enough and the roots sit in cold & damp too long. I've added scrap styrofoam pieces and a sleeping bag on top of my tent, it needs more but it helps keep the heat I get in the tent longer ( I hope) Good luck we've just started the BS, summer can't get here soon enough for my liking.

Hey how you feeling, how are the headaches?

Best I can do is 68 to 74f, the last two grows were in that range and they did fine, and this one's doing fine too.

Wood heat is very dry, the humidity now is only 35% in the tent, 25% in the house and I have a lot of air movement, both high and low in there so they're happy!

I added a 60 watt reptile heater, I have another one but that one seems to be doing the trick, it's already 70 in there, if I can keep it above 68 during the dark daytime period I'll be happy with that

Edit: You mentioning styrofoam roof made me recall that I used to throw a thick blanket over the top of both tents at the beach house, thanks for mentioning that !!! I'm going to do that right now

Edit: Done! my Navajo blanket fit perfectly! (relax it's only a knockoff )

 

[Pipecarver]

Hey how you feeling, how are the headaches?

Best I can do is 68 to 74f, the last two grows were in that range and they did fine, and this one's doing fine too.

Wood heat is very dry, the humidity now is only 35% in the tent, 25% in the house and I have a lot of air movement, both high and low in there so they're happy!

I added a 60 watt reptile heater, I have another one but that one seems to be doing the trick, it's already 70 in there, if I can keep it above 68 during the dark daytime period I'll be happy with that

Edit: You mentioning styrofoam roof made me recall that I used to throw a thick blanket over the top of both tents at the beach house, thanks for mentioning that !!! I'm going to do that right now

Edit: Done! my Navajo blanket fit perfectly! (relax it's only a knockoff )

ya when ever I get styrofoam sheets in packaging I put it on top, not the formed stuff with odd shapes, just flat squares or side package stuff. ...it was -10 c this am with a light dusting of snow. I have my 1250w oil filled heater running to keep flower tent 24-25c or 77-78f with lights on, it drops to about 67-68f at night

 

[Beachwalker]

ya when ever I get styrofoam sheets in packaging I put it on top, not the formed stuff with odd shapes, just flat squares or side package stuff. ...it was -10 c this am with a light dusting of snow. I have my 1250w oil filled heater running to keep flower tent 24-25c or 77-78f with lights on, it drops to about 67-68f at night

Well I have these big I think they're 18" × 14" × 3/4" sheets and I had a perfect floor for the 5x5 and the 4x4 made from them

I'm pretty sure they're out in the garage and when I go out to get wood later I'm going to see if I can't find them, that'll give me another layer insulation on the floor. On the roof I now have a blanket, fits perfect too, thanks again for reminding me about that! My memory was never great and it's not getting any better

Edit: At 10° out, the tents holding at 67.6 / 36%rh