Zen_seeker’s DIY Mixmash

[TomH]

I ate an artichoke that I figure cost me 49.95 by the time all the work, amendments to soil and crap went into growing it!

Still the best artichoke ever! Ownership adds 10 points!

 

[Zen_seeker]

Clones Flower Day 7:

Solo looking better today. Was worried after first feeding. Tucked away, bit more to go. Bit more defoliation needed at back. Just hard to get to. Last chance this week.


Twin2 is still being difficult. Separation anxiety? No feeding until Tuesday or Wednesday.


24hr after feeding Solo her color and growth improved. First addition of bloom too.

Hope the same goes for Twin1 in a couple days.


Veg Day 83:

Twin2 is great. One little hint of tip burn.



Little more work before done for the night.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Been spending time in the yard today. Setup a pool for Willow. She likes playing in the water but it’s too cold still. Just a big water bowl with floaters ATM.


Noticed Twin2 is getting taller, again. Won’t HST until bigger. Try to keep things at the same hight, for now.



Some Hollyhocks I planted are finally coming up. They will get to 6’ and hide Twin2. But they look great and smell like rotting stuff.


Have one left in a cup I need to place.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Clones Flower Day 8 W2:

Solo: Looks great. SCROG is on!


Twin1: Finally looks ready to water.


Hope she looks as good as Solo tomorrow.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Didn’t get down stairs until after lights out. So took the show outside.

Horrible start to the flower gardens. Most are only getting ready now and we haven’t had rain in weeks.

















Half of these I have to save from wifey mowing. Birds and rabbits are happy. Haven’t been out to see the rabbits but they are able to eat everywhere ATM.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Something I’ve noticed is that most of the growth occurs at night. Sometimes a very noticeable amount, like at stretch, or when I put Twin2 outside. Even transplanting to a larger pot, after a bit.

I haven’t tested this other than to notice when I see results. But I did wonder if transplanting at night was better than day because of this?

Finally remembered to check;

Can You Plant at Night? What you need to know - Flourishing Plants

Planting at night can be a good option if you are too busy during the day or daylight conditions are too adverse for the plant to cope with during or after

flourishingplants.com

Seems it might be true. Other places say early morning or late afternoon on overcast days. But it sounds like just don’t do it when it’s hot, bright, and really dry is the minimum. Younger the plant more the impact/effect of the stress.

Is this the expenditure of all the days energy combined with the stored nutrients or is everything stored and used at a consistent percentage, based on what’s available at any given time?

But IIRC cannabis plants, not sure if all, don’t drink at night. So how is it moving if not through drinking? Respiration? Something pushes the needed combination.

Is this why moon light is supposed to help too? Does that mean they feed/drink in strong moonlight as well?

 

[Zen_seeker]

Hmm...

“In plants, there are two types of respiration: dark respiration and photo respiration. The first kind occurs in the presence or absence of light, while the second occurs exclusively in the presence of light.”

Basics of Plant Respiration | PRO-MIX

The process of respiration in plants involves using the sugars produced during photosynthesis plus oxygen to produce energy for plant growth.

www.pthorticulture.com

“Plant respiration occurs 24 hours per day, but night respiration is more evident since the photosynthesis process ceases.”

Okay, I’ll buy that. Still going to look into more.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I might finally be out of deficiency hell!

Twin1: Day after feeding.


Solo: 3 Days after feeding and tucking.


Twin2: Fed today once sun passed over.


We aren’t eating lettuce fast enough.


Ants are working to open the Peonies.


The smell from the Peonies is already strong enough to enter the house each time I open the door. Cannabis smell...what cannabis smell.

 

[GoodShit97]

The smell from the Peonies is already strong enough to enter the house each time I open the door. Cannabis smell...what cannabis smell.

Man, i dont even have to be inside my house and all i smell is weed. This current run in my 3x3, smells so strong.

My mother came to drop my kids off tonight and asked me why outside smells like fresh reefer every time shes here.
She has no idea how strong of a smell this stuff can actually have.

Im waiting for the ACSO or my landlord to knock on my door and start asking questions lol.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Things look okay today.


Never had one this large outside. G$ isn’t a fan of HST but keeping it down is a concern.

Heat might be an issue today. Have the clips, burlap and wire frame ready at least.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Had to cover the veggies yesterday. Cucumber wasn’t happy.


Took it off in the afternoon when the sun passed. Looks like today will be a repeat.

No need to touch the outdoor plants today. I have one veggie waiting to transplant but not in a heat wave. Think they said rains coming next week but they keep changing it.

 

[Shaded]

diggin' the official US military ops camo tarp, took me a few glances to catch it

 

[Zen_seeker]

diggin' the official US military ops camo tarp, took me a few glances to catch it

Just burlap that was on sale. Thought I’d use it for a Turkey blind or to wrap the bushes over winter.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Be careful what you wish for. Every other day weather report said yes/no to rain. The rain we weren’t supposed to get came anyway. With high winds and hail. Thunder with one or two flashes.

Stopped just long enough for me to stake the tomatoes & cucumber. Then a second round with no hail.

Twin2 wasn’t thrilled but G$ assured me it will be fine. The veggies, we’ll wait and see. I had 5 little cucumber with flowers already showing.

Too sore and tired. Humidity is way up lights on or off. Going to need to close off room and plug in dehumidifier.

Whom ever designed this basement with no hallway needs a kick in the ass. Even open concept would have been better.

Twin1 looks good but I think it’s getting that camo green/yellow again. Hope it’s my imagination. Solo is dark green still. Shaking off her last trim and tuck. Looks half ugly so I guess it’s half right.

New clone “Clip” is doing good. For the hell of it I did LST with clips at the first node and then removed all the new growth. A week or more later and she’s doing fine. She’s in a green dollar store soft pot my wife picked up. Idea is to have a small, short, not 5’ tall plant next flower.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I thought for sure the cucumbers would be lost after the hail storm. Happy surprise. Think we only lost one flower.


Twin2 is fluffing back into shape.


Won’t see the Twin1 or Solo until 7pm. Humidity is sticking to high 60%. Can’t find the 2’ dehumidifier. Lent it to a buddy after a flood. 90% sure I got it back. Maybe garage.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Not finding a yes/no answer so far. Anyone care to share? Don’t want to just tag a staff member unless I don’t have a choice.

If I turn the LEDs down yesterday to 50% from 75% and keep them there a few more days will that shorten the stretch without depriving the plants bud development?

Asking after the fact as I only get to see them before bed and have to decide then.

TIA

 

[Aqua Man]

Not finding a yes/no answer so far. Anyone care to share? Don’t want to just tag a staff member unless I don’t have a choice.

If I turn the LEDs down yesterday to 50% from 75% and keep them there a few more days will that shorten the stretch without depriving the plants bud development?

Asking after the fact as I only get to see them before bed and have to decide then.

TIA

Nope but a negative differential, blue heavy light spectrum and certain PGRs will. Avoid things that contain triacontanol until after stretch if you have this issue

 

[Zen_seeker]

Nope but a negative differential, blue heavy light spectrum and certain PGRs will. Avoid things that contain triacontanol until after stretch if you have this issue

I’d normally say thank you but then my would be showing.

So uh ya, whatever.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Nope but a negative differential, blue heavy light spectrum and certain PGRs will. Avoid things that contain triacontanol until after stretch if you have this issue

PGRs seem a worry;

PGR Weed – What Is Plant Growth Regulators and How to Spot it

PGR weeds, what is Plant Growth Regulator cannabis? Find out more in the article. How do you identify it and do they have any side effects on your health?

2fast4buds.com

Nothing on the Botanicare website search. But I’ll look some more.

 

[Aqua Man]

PGRs seem a worry;

PGR Weed – What Is Plant Growth Regulators and How to Spot it

PGR weeds, what is Plant Growth Regulator cannabis? Find out more in the article. How do you identify it and do they have any side effects on your health?

2fast4buds.com

Nothing on the Botanicare website search. But I’ll look some more.

Yeah i dont think you have any unless adding some other products that contain kelp

 

[Zen_seeker]

Yeah i dont think you have any unless adding some other products that contain kelp

Not that I’m aware of but I’m reading every label now.

I have a little this and little that I was directed to but mostly Fox Farm and Gaia.

I seem to be learning the scary side of eating and smoking your own. That reminds me...got a cooking question. Off to that thread.

 

[Zen_seeker]

@Aqua Man

At the other place I sent you a PM about a root issue possibly being my problem with all three clones. You just happened to be away for an extended time and didn’t get to reply until after I started working on it with G$ and/or GNick.

I had waited water/feeding a extra couple days so I could move and SCROG but got delayed.

Other than Twin2 outside the other clones never did seem to get back 100%.

GNick had me do the exact same thing G$ had told me. With the addition to stop epsom and stop trimming.

But now that I’m back to feeding with the new chart I think I see Solo getting darker and Twin1 the camo yellow and greens again.

I’m speaking up now so I can catch it early. Is this still maybe a root issue?

I’ll take close up leaf pics after 7pm. TIA

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man

At the other place I sent you a PM about a root issue possibly being my problem with all three clones. You just happened to be away for an extended time and didn’t get to reply until after I started working on it with G$ and/or GNick.

I had waited water/feeding a extra couple days so I could move and SCROG but got delayed.

Other than Twin2 outside the other clones never did seem to get back 100%.

GNick had me do the exact same thing G$ had told me. With the addition to stop epsom and stop trimming.

But now that I’m back to feeding with the new chart I think I see Solo getting darker and Twin1 the camo yellow and greens again.

I’m speaking up now so I can catch it early. Is this still maybe a root issue?

I’ll take close up leaf pics after 7pm. TIA

Yeah bro take some pics and ill see if i can spot something. Photos help a ton because there are so many moving parts to think of

 

[Zen_seeker]

Solo: More lime looking. Leaves have faded or color blends of yellow to green.


Twin1: She goes darker in patches. But still has light spots.


Both have been fed the same thing. Slightly different amounts with slightly different amounts of runoff. Try to keep it between 500ml to 1L of runoff. Not needed but making sure full watering and was checking PH.

Fed once for veg then once again for bloom since GNick gave go ahead. Was supposed to get further instructions at flip but...

Solo last fed on 27th.
Twin1 last fed on 30th.
Both soft pots have weight still.

Pics look better than real life but it’s not bad. You can see how dark one clone is compared to the other.

Rather than flood you with details I can answer going forward. Only details I can’t find is PH values but if not between 6.2-6.6 I would have remembered.

Ask away.

 

[Aqua Man]

Solo: More lime looking. Leaves have faded or color blends of yellow to green.
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Twin1: She goes darker in patches. But still has light spots.
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Both have been fed the same thing. Slightly different amounts with slightly different amounts of runoff. Try to keep it between 500ml to 1L of runoff. Not needed but making sure full watering and was checking PH.

Fed once for veg then once again for bloom since GNick gave go ahead. Was supposed to get further instructions at flip but...

Solo last fed on 27th.
Twin1 last fed on 30th.
Both soft pots have weight still.

Pics look better than real life but it’s not bad. You can see how dark one clone is compared to the other.

Rather than flood you with details I can answer going forward. Only details I can’t find is PH values but if not between 6.2-6.6 I would have remembered.

Ask away.

Ok pot size and media and which nutrients used?

Its a transpiration thing. You see how the leaves are not crisp but have droopy edges? Thats a transpiration issue that happens from a chronic condition like watering or humidity being significantly out of balance for some time.

How is your air flow under and through the canopy?

 

[Aqua Man]

The more i look the more i feel like humidity is high under there… symptoms look like over watering but i dont feel like it is…. That to me says high humidity in the plants… they transpire from the underside of the leaves so you need good air movement to push that humidity out of there. Have a hygrometer handy?

That curl won’t go away but can stop it from getting worse.

 

[Aqua Man]

If you have an IR temp gun also check the upper most leaves n the middl to end of lights on… 78f or higher?

 

[Aqua Man]

Take a look at the video that @Coco Lopez has in his thread. You see the circulation fans he has going on and the wiggle of the leaves? That’s getting rid of all that transpiration thats going on. It also provides more forced evaporative cooling to the plants to help keep leaf temp down. 75-78 is ideal for most genetics to maximize photosynthesis but even some plants show heat stress at 78f and that stress increases drastically immediately above those temps

 

[Zen_seeker]

Ok pot size and media and which nutrients used?

Both are 7Gal but one is short wide and other tall thin.

Media is Sunshine Mix #4 that had some Jobes 4-4-4 and Gaia worm castings added. I don’t recall how many scoops but followed bag instructions.

All nutes and soil pics are listed on post #1 just in case something like this came up.

Its a transpiration thing. You see how the leaves are not crisp but have droopy edges? Thats a transpiration issue that happens from a chronic condition like watering or humidity being significantly out of balance for some time.

Then that’s it. Until today I was hitting 70%RH and not getting below 60% until lights on. Today I could open windows and dropped it to 50% now with tent doors open we are at 45%.

How is your air flow under and through the canopy?

Fine good even. Just checked with cat toy. Feather string stick. Bottom middle’ish and top is good.

Twin1 I can open a bit if needed. Wanted to brace open anyway.

I have enough data to vid if needed.

I’ll post the list and amounts of last two feeds in next post.

 

[Aqua Man]

That first olant looks fine but hungry

 

[Aqua Man]

Nope save your data… the lower humidity may correct the lime… it will pull more water with a lower humidity and with it more nutrients

 

[Zen_seeker]

The more i look the more i feel like humidity is high under there… symptoms look like over watering but i dont feel like it is…. That to me says high humidity in the plants… they transpire from the underside of the leaves so you need good air movement to push that humidity out of there. Have a hygrometer handy?

Like 2 or 3 in each zone. How about this.

That curl won’t go away but can stop it from getting worse.

It goes away sometimes at least somewhat after an hour or so of lights on and lower humidity. If you mean the dark green upside down canoe...no it stays. Looks like Nitrogen Toxicity by chance?

 

[Zen_seeker]

If you have an IR temp gun also check the upper most leaves n the middl to end of lights on… 78f or higher?

Canadian Tire had one on sale for $25 this weekend. I’ll see if I can get one.

I’m better with Celsius please. Can convert if easier for you.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Take a look at the video that @Coco Lopez has in his thread. You see the circulation fans he has going on and the wiggle of the leaves? That’s getting rid of all that transpiration thats going on. It also provides more forced evaporative cooling to the plants to help keep leaf temp down. 75-78 is ideal for most genetics to maximize photosynthesis but even some plants show heat stress at 78f and that stress increases drastically immediately above those temps

I’ll look at his vid after I answer the posts.

My problem is the basement has been at 75%RH for 3-4 days. Started when my wife was home sick and did laundry in the morning and we only just got better this afternoon.


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[Zen_seeker]

Nope save your data… the lower humidity may correct the lime… it will pull more water with a lower humidity and with it more nutrients

What is my highest day/night RH? I can try to keep at least one. I should be good until the next heatwave or laundry day.

I found the old room dehumidifier. Just need to get it ready for next time. Traffic through the room will be the big problem but doable.

Uploaded already. At least you get an idea. Usually the fans are more than enough. Windows if needed. But not this week.

I think this is the last so I’ll make the nutrients list now.

 

[moe.red]

When your temp and RH are inconsistent you will see some issues. Not that the plant can't handle it, it's just not high times centerfold worthy.

I think RH is too low now. Can you set the fan to come on less to get the tent up to 55% without overheating?

 

[Aqua Man]

Like 2 or 3 in each zone. How about this.
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It goes away sometimes at least somewhat after an hour or so of lights on and lower humidity. If you mean the dark green upside down canoe...no it stays. Looks like Nitrogen Toxicity by chance?

Yeah that leaf curl isn’t N its just from transpiration issues.

45-50% is probably fine… 50-55% ideal but make sure you have good airflow through the plants

 

[Aqua Man]

I’ll look at his vid after I answer the posts.

My problem is the basement has been at 75%RH for 3-4 days. Started when my wife was home sick and did laundry in the morning and we only just got better this afternoon.


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First plant absolutely fine. Second plant try to move the fan just under the canopy

 

[Zen_seeker]

When your temp and RH are inconsistent you will see some issues. Not that the plant can't handle it, it's just not high times centerfold worthy.

Cool. Veg I deal. Flower I worry. (Just figured out multi quote.

I think RH is too low now. Can you set the fan to come on less to get the tent up to 55% without overheating?

I can try, I zipped doors closed again. But I don’t want to put water back in if I can avoid it. Lettuce is out too.

Yeah that leaf curl isn’t N its just from transpiration issues.

Then that answered an unknown problem. I’ve seen this a few times this grow. So high humidity can look like N T. Got it.

45-50% is probably fine… 50-55% ideal but make sure you have good airflow through the plants

I had to change my settings last week. Usually have max RH 60% and Temp 26/27 depending on how hard fans are working.

55% and 23/25 is where we are most times. Until laundry day.

First plant absolutely fine. Second plant try to move the fan just under the canopy

So Twin1 limey...is okay just getting food up. It’s why she looks better today. Okay.
That’s the camo color csuse. But again tied to high humidity. Cool. Well good to have answers.

I had to kill list twice to keep up to answering. I’ll start again now.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Okay. Had to take journal pics.

After flip.


Before flip.








I’m trying to match last week Veg then first week transition and next feed is second week transition.

I think that’s it. Fish shit wasn’t used just in same pic.

Just checking humidity now. Closing doors and playing with intake fans Ian helping much if at all. Basement is at 21*c RH for basement rooms is 50-55% so it should stay in the ballpark.

Laundry day tomorrow. I need to figure something out. Lights are still at 75%.

I’ll have to have her close doors maybe open windows. The grow room has no windows only a door at each end usually open.

T6 fans just vent into the room from top of tents. The keep pretty even most days.