15 solo cups and no-veg

[Observer]

Plants have made it to day 7 of 12/12. All looking pretty healthy, now just waiting for the plants to show me their parts. The Rasta Jeff plants are monsters. Thinking I’m going to pot them up to one gallons.View attachment 77479

Hey

Put a net/trellis in, 6 inches from the bottom.

Place your cups in the squares.


Thank me later

Lol

Or they might just start falling over all the fucking time


Was a pain in the fucking ass with 200 solo cups...all leaning over..

 

[Observer]

I actually lowered the feedings to 1.0 the out flow has been 1.1 - 1.2. I’m happy that they are happy with two less tablespoons of bloom.

If you get you're output E.C down to ~0.3 or so, u can save a little more nutes too, and they'll be even happier possibly, water/media won't be too salty to bother/hinder uptaking

Osmotic pressure.

 

[Observer]

Should be fine with 0.7-1.0 e.c

 

[SpectrumFarms]

Day 14 from 12/12 all the plants have shown me their sex and the boys have been culled, bringing me down to 11 plants. The Frequency Shift and HB fucking stink already, both smell strongly of skunk, just picking them up the smell wafts in your nose holes. Just curious if the stretch is less on a no-veg cycle, or is that even a factor?

Temp: 81
RH: 51%
PAR:500
EC: 1.1 cal-mag, bloom, boost

 

[Observer]

Just curious if the stretch is less on a no-veg cycle, or is that even a factor?

Don't think so necessarily, did you increase par when you switched?

Temp: 81
RH: 51%
PAR:500
EC: 1.1 cal-mag, bloom, boost
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Lots of factors to cause a plant to stretch when flowering.

 

[SpectrumFarms]

Don't think so necessarily, did you increase par when you switched?

Yes, I was at 180 when I flipped and gradually raised it over the first week.

 

[Observer]

Yea, that alone could keep internodal spacing down.

 

[Aqua Man]

Genetics, temp differential and color spectrum affect stretching.

You can manipulate 2 of those to increase or decrease stretching

 

[Observer]

when i attempted a no veg not too long ago, some plants did not stretch much either, if at all. had the ppfd up as well.

 

[Pipecarver]

Don't think so necessarily, did you increase par when you switched?

Lots of factors to cause a plant to stretch when flowering.

You want more stretch? add far reds. Even with just 15 min on at lights out plants get a real boost from just that little bit. Trick is controlling that added length. It also widen & lengthens leaves.

 

[Pipecarver]

Genetics, temp differential and color spectrum affect stretching.

You can manipulate 2 of those to increase or decrease stretching

I'd like to play with some blue spectrum lights but they have been hard for me to find. I used to have blue T5's but they don't seem to be available any longer. The only blue I can find are Aquarium lights and they look more like strip lights and not really what I'm looking for. I'd like to try and keep a sativa strain shorter by using the blues if blue is supposed to keep spacing between the nodes shorter. I know reds stretch so???

 

[Bandit420]

Day 14 from 12/12 all the plants have shown me their sex and the boys have been culled, bringing me down to 11 plants. The Frequency Shift and HB fucking stink already, both smell strongly of skunk, just picking them up the smell wafts in your nose holes. Just curious if the stretch is less on a no-veg cycle, or is that even a factor?

Temp: 81
RH: 51%
PAR:500
EC: 1.1 cal-mag, bloom, boost
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HB F1 will stretch even with the reduced veg time. Perhaps stretch is actually reduced with a longer veg like Zens.
But from what I know of her and having been grown by 4 different growers spanning the northern hemisphere, the large robust pheno is dominant in the seed stock and she's a stretcher up to week 5, indoors or outdoors.

 

[Aqua Man]

I'd like to play with some blue spectrum lights but they have been hard for me to find. I used to have blue T5's but they don't seem to be available any longer. The only blue I can find are Aquarium lights and they look more like strip lights and not really what I'm looking for. I'd like to try and keep a sativa strain shorter by using the blues if blue is supposed to keep spacing between the nodes shorter. I know reds stretch so???

HLG has lots of options. 4k is what i liked but some will use up to even 6k

 

[growsinse79]

I'd like to play with some blue spectrum lights but they have been hard for me to find. I used to have blue T5's but they don't seem to be available any longer. The only blue I can find are Aquarium lights and they look more like strip lights and not really what I'm looking for. I'd like to try and keep a sativa strain shorter by using the blues if blue is supposed to keep spacing between the nodes shorter. I know reds stretch so???

I found a little sylvania grow bulb at walmart with a blue that works for me.
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[Pipecarver]

HLG has lots of options. 4k is what i liked but some will use up to even 6k

All I can see at HLG are full fixtures that contain the blues or a refurbished blue & white for $422 and its sold out. I would just like a supplemental light bar or 2 like the far reds.

 

[Pipecarver]

I found a little sylvania grow bulb at walmart with a blue that works for me.
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In Canada they have these but is all blue colored light in the 380 - 480 nm range that I'm looking for? there's no info on wave length. I don't know enough about it. Rapid Led has the same pucks in the blue I have in Red around $35 Usa each I may have to go that rout again and get 2

 

[steamroller]

Light on and light off temp difference is the easiest way to control stretch IME.
The greater the difference between lights on and off the greater the stretch.
And like wise the closer on and off temps are the less the stretch.

 

[SpectrumFarms]

Light on and light off temp difference is the easiest way to control stretch IME.
The greater the difference between lights on and off the greater the stretch.
And like wise the closer on and off temps are the less the stretch.

That makes sense this grow has stayed very steady with the temps 77-81 the whole ride so far.

 

[Aqua Man]

Light on and light off temp difference is the easiest way to control stretch IME.
The greater the difference between lights on and off the greater the stretch.
And like wise the closer on and off temps are the less the stretch.

And as soon as you go negative diff it makes a huge impact. So 1-2f cooler during lights on than lights off really reduces stretch.

 

[Aqua Man]

normal ideals are 5-10f cooler lights out and that provides a big stretch. Just number for reference

 

[SpectrumFarms]

Day 20 of flower the plants look happy most are starting to form buds but the KK’s are taking forever. I’m just now seeing a couple pistils being thrown. The S1 of the Elev8 Gelato is taking, it is starting to form pollen sacks on the sprayed branch. Thanks for the tips guys, feeding these at 1.0 EC and are healthy, happy and no burn!
These plants are 38 days old from cotyledons.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Day 20 of flower the plants look happy most are starting to form buds but the KK’s are taking forever. I’m just now seeing a couple pistils being thrown. The S1 of the Elev8 Gelato is taking, it is starting to form pollen sacks on the sprayed branch. Thanks for the tips guys, feeding these at 1.0 EC and are healthy, happy and no burn!
These plants are 38 days old from cotyledons.

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i found this with my own no veg run where some were cotton tops and other cultivars were just showing signs of pistils, it sure didn't finish that way though. somehow everything just came together at the end. i had doubts almost all the way through wasn't till like day 60 before i felt at ease! i'm glad i did it and am now on my second run like this.

please don't kill me, but do you have mites? what are those marks on your leaves?

 

[SpectrumFarms]

i found this with my own no veg run where some were cotton tops and other cultivars were just showing signs of pistils, it sure didn't finish that way though. somehow everything just came together at the end. i had doubts almost all the way through wasn't till like day 60 before i felt at ease! i'm glad i did it and am now on my second run like this.

please don't kill me, but do you have mites? what are those marks on your leaves?

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Those marks are from the twice a day colloidal silver spray. I read to expect it.

 

[Observer]

Day 20 of flower the plants look happy most are starting to form buds but the KK’s are taking forever. I’m just now seeing a couple pistils being thrown. The S1 of the Elev8 Gelato is taking, it is starting to form pollen sacks on the sprayed branch. Thanks for the tips guys, feeding these at 1.0 EC and are healthy, happy and no burn!
These plants are 38 days old from cotyledons.

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Awesome glad to see that all work out Properly.

 

[Observer]

What elemental/nutrient ratio are you using?

 

[SpectrumFarms]

What elemental/nutrient ratio are you using?

The RH has been 50-56%, temp highs have been 82 and the lows 74. PAR is right around 550. Using lotus cal-mag, 2.5 tsp, lotus bloom 3.5 tsp and lotus boost at .5 tsp per 5 gallon batches. EC comes in at 1.0 - 1.1.

 

[Observer]

How they looking today

 

[SpectrumFarms]

How they looking today

They looked good this morning, I’ll post
some pictures once the light comes on this evening.

 

[SpectrumFarms]

Here are some update pictures. I took one before the spray so you can see the sacs forming and a top of the plant to show you it’s the silver causing the specks. I got one that is just sad, it’s one of the bagseeds so I crack it up to genetics. I am really digging how the plants stack with no veg. I’m really enjoying it so far.

 

[Observer]

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Something wrong here, putting my finger on it.

PPFD on this one?

One way to help narrow it down is bending it away from the electromagnetic radiation, seeing how It responds/ if it quickly tries to aim back towards the light.