Observers' Flower Space

[Observer]

One oz from a solo, ez.

It's dry

Give or a take a gram(s) if you want to be pedantic, cause these are dried colas so there's a little stem, and just a little trim left.

And not talking about quality, just the possible yield from a solo.

 

[Observer]

@Zen_seeker

Probably gotta water them again


I'm exhausted.

Daughter is up

Guess I'm "steering" them for awhile longer tonight b4 flooding again


I'm exhausted

 

[Zen_seeker]

@Zen_seeker

Probably gotta water them again


I'm exhausted.

Daughter is up

Guess I'm "steering" them for awhile longer tonight b4 flooding again


I'm exhausted

Up at 3:30. Old guy bladder. But wife gets up at 4:00 so up for a bit. I’ll try for more sleep in a bit.

Plants are looking great bud. Lots of work though. Keep a balance bro. Health is important when you have little ones.

 

[Observer]

Up at 3:30. Old guy bladder. But wife gets up at 4:00 so up for a bit. I’ll try for more sleep in a bit.

gotcha, mine comes home at 6am

Plants are looking great bud. Lots of work though.

ty sir, ive already watered them 4 times tonight now, lol.

Keep a balance bro. Health is important when you have little ones.

right, i was actually gonna try to go to sleep around 2 but my 18mo woke at 230 or 130?, just laid her back down......i have not had food today yet either, i dont remember,

sleep deprived short term memory loss, and weed. lol

 

[Zen_seeker]

gotcha, mine comes home at 6am

ty sir, ive already watered them 4 times tonight now, lol.



right, i was actually gonna try to go to sleep around 2 but my 18mo woke at 230 or 130?, just laid her back down......i have not had food today yet either, i dont remember,

sleep deprived short term memory loss, and weed. lol

I hear that. Sometimes miss those days. But we get over it quick.
You will remember MOST of these days as good times.

Now it’s stress and frustration that fks up my sleep cycle. Still working on it but hit another wall.

 

[Observer]

Now it’s stress and frustration that fks up my sleep cycle. Still working on it but hit another wall.

thats the other half... i lay down and too much worry or other shit on my mind about anything, or i just cant shut my mind off/keep thinking about stuff, to go to sleep.

so, i usually let the plants go more amber, ha.

indicouch

 

[Observer]

bathed her, got her some breakfast, hung out a bit, back in the crib meow

 

[Zen_seeker]

thats the other half... i lay down and too much worry or other shit on my mind about anything, or i just cant shut my mind off to go to sleep.

so, i usually let the plants go more amber, ha.

Exactly. Running different scenarios over and over anticipating outcomes and arguments.

Not being able to find useful information or people to contact. Being ignored and having to deal with issues alone. No support or help from authorities.

Just a mountain of shit and all I have is a beach pale & shovel.

 

[Observer]

Exactly. Running different scenarios over and over anticipating outcomes and arguments.

Not being able to find useful information or people to contact. Being ignored and having to deal with issues alone. No support or help from authorities.

Just a mountain of shit and all I have is a beach pale & shovel.

and 2 commons meet

i know exactly how that goes man, majority of the time trying to sleep, own worse enemy.

a of insomnia

Brains.

 

[Observer]

The MSA compound is not explicitly denoted in the formula. It is formed as a byproduct of the reaction between potassium silicate and phosphoric acid. The silica produced in this reaction is in the form of MSA, which can be readily absorbed and used by plants.
Here is a more detailed explanation of the reaction:
K2SiO3 + 2H3PO4 → 2KH2PO4 + SiO2

The potassium silicate and phosphoric acid react to form potassium dihydrogen phosphate and silica. The silica produced in this reaction is in the form of MSA.
MSA is a monomer of silica, which means that it is a single molecule of silica. It is a soluble form of silica that can be easily absorbed by plant roots. MSA is beneficial for plants because it can help to strengthen cell walls, improve nutrient uptake, and increase resistance to pests and diseases.


@Franksta

 

[Observer]

SiO2

SiO2 is the chemical formula for silica, which is a compound of silicon and oxygen. It is the second most abundant element in the Earth's crust, after oxygen. Silica is a hard, white, crystalline solid that is insoluble in water. It is found in many different forms, including sand, quartz, and glass.

Silica in plants
Silica is not considered an essential nutrient for plants, but it does provide many benefits. Silica can help to strengthen plant cell walls, making them more resistant to pests, diseases, and environmental stresses. Silica can also improve plant growth, nutrient uptake, and water use efficiency.

Mono-Silicic Acid (MSA)

MSA is the only form of silica that can be directly absorbed and used by plants. All other forms of silica must first be converted into MSA before they can be taken up by plants.

MSA is a soluble form of silica that is easily absorbed by plant roots.

Combining/manipulating pH values/Chemistry to do Potassium Silicate + Phosphoric Acid = MSA/Mono-silicic acid, a form thats readily-bio-available for Plant Nutrient Uptake
Potassium silicate and phosphoric acid can be combined to produce MSA by reacting them in a solution with a pH of approximately 10.5. The following chemical equation shows the reaction:
K2SiO3 + 2H3PO4 → 2KH2PO4 + SiO2

The silica produced in this reaction is in the form of MSA, which can be readily absorbed and used by plants.

How to use MSA

MSA can be used as a foliar spray or a root drench. For foliar sprays, a solution of 1-2% MSA is typically used. For root drenches, a solution of 0.5-1% MSA is typically used. MSA can be applied to plants at any stage of growth.
Benefits of using MSA

MSA has many benefits for plants, including:

• Increased resistance to pests, diseases, and environmental stresses
• Improved plant growth
• Improved nutrient uptake
• Improved water use efficiency
• Increased yield

Conclusion
MSA is a readily-bio-available form of silica that can be used to improve plant health and growth. It can be produced by combining potassium silicate and phosphoric acid in a solution with a pH of approximately 10.5. MSA can be used as a foliar spray or a root drench, and it can be applied to plants at any stage of growth.

 

[Observer]

The MSA compound is not explicitly denoted in the formula. It is formed as a byproduct of the reaction between potassium silicate and phosphoric acid. The silica produced in this reaction is in the form of MSA, which can be readily absorbed and used by plants.
Here is a more detailed explanation of the reaction:
K2SiO3 + 2H3PO4 → 2KH2PO4 + SiO2

The potassium silicate and phosphoric acid react to form potassium dihydrogen phosphate and silica. The silica produced in this reaction is in the form of MSA.
MSA is a monomer of silica, which means that it is a single molecule of silica. It is a soluble form of silica that can be easily absorbed by plant roots. MSA is beneficial for plants because it can help to strengthen cell walls, improve nutrient uptake, and increase resistance to pests and diseases.


@Franksta

@Zen_seeker

as you see, now im fucking with google bard, about MSA, lol

like to learn.

mind runs.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Need more emoji combos, one doesn’t cover all scenarios.

 

[Observer]

you can turn SiO2 into SiO4 with phosphoric acid, but not directly.

You need to first react the SiO2 with a strong base, such as potassium hydroxide (KOH), to form potassium silicate (K2SiO3).

Then, you can react the potassium silicate with phosphoric acid to form mono-silicic acid (MSA), which is in the form of SiO4.

The following chemical equations show the reactions:
SiO2 + 2KOH → K2SiO3 + H2O
K2SiO3 + 2H3PO4 → 2KH2PO4 + SiO4

Other acids, such as sulfuric acid (H2SO4) and nitric acid (HNO3), can also be used to react with potassium silicate to form MSA.

However, phosphoric acid is the most commonly used acid for this reaction because it is less corrosive and more readily available.

It is not necessary to use potassium silicate to turn SiO2 into SiO4. Any soluble form of silica, such as sodium silicate (Na2SiO3) or lithium silicate (Li2SiO3), can be used.

However, potassium silicate is the most commonly used form of silica for this reaction because it is relatively inexpensive and readily available.
In summary, the following steps are required to turn SiO2 into SiO4 using phosphoric acid:

1. React SiO2 with a strong base to form a soluble form of silica, such as potassium silicate.
2. React the soluble form of silica with phosphoric acid to form mono-silicic acid (MSA).

Other acids can be used to react with soluble silica to form MSA, but phosphoric acid is the most commonly used acid for this reaction.

-Google, B.A.R.D.




@Moe.Red
@Franksta

True, False, Thoughts?
if i may

 

[Observer]

Chemistry is pretty neat.

 

[Observer]

them bitches are probably dry, lol.

better go check em.

 

[Observer]

Buds everywhere

@tobh
@Dirtbag

 

[tobh]

those look great. good job!

 

[Observer]

those look great. good job!

Thanks man

These have been doing good so far imo

 

[tobh]

Thanks man

These have been doing good so far imo

they look it. in 6-8 weeks you're gonna hate yourself for growing so much lol

 

[Observer]

they look it. in 6-8 weeks you're gonna hate yourself for growing so much lol

Sweet, good to hear lol.

Hope I maintain it properly.

 

[tobh]

Sweet, good to hear lol.

Hope I maintain it properly.

you're at the smooth sailing stage now for the next six to eight weeks. pro-tip: don't fuck up fertigations the last two weeks. ya know, when the plants look perfect and you're just waiting for the right ripeness. it kinda sucks.

 

[growsinse79]

One oz from a solo, ez.

It's dry

Give or a take a gram(s) if you want to be pedantic, cause these are dried colas so there's a little stem, and just a little trim left.

And not talking about quality, just the possible yield from a solo.

Hell yeah, way to save mix. I'm doing mostly 1 gallon now, 2ea last time. Price of mix is getting ridiculous. I'm thinking about going hydro.

 

[Observer]

Hell yeah, way to save mix. I'm doing mostly 1 gallon now, 2ea last time. Price of mix is getting ridiculous. I'm thinking about going hydro.

Right, one thing I was mainly focused on/experimenting with all the solo cups, depending you're space and method of growing/media, don't need slot of container space if you have nets to hold the plants in place

So I feel I got it pretty optimized for 5x5 tent growing in coco, half gallon pots all the way.

Besides depending how much you want to water them/often/auto watering, but in the context of optimization, space, and growth rates


Half gallon 100%

 

[tobh]

Hell yeah, way to save mix. I'm doing mostly 1 gallon now, 2ea last time. Price of mix is getting ridiculous. I'm thinking about going hydro.

come to the dark side brother. water is warm and yields are better

 

[Dirtbag]

Buds everywhere

@tobh
@Dirtbag

Very nice .
Excellent light penetration to those buds too. Excited to see how this flowers out for you.

 

[Observer]

1.4-1.5 E.C - In, watered till run off

Very nice .
Excellent light penetration to those buds too. Excited to see how this flowers out for you.

Thanks you, only/main "problem" for me/on these seems to be, the plant in the back left isnt taking the light as well as the others that perking up to it
they're leaf shade/color could maybe be a littler healthier, but nothing to chase tail over.


OR

the one plant is more flat/drooped than the other 3 plants' leafs that are oriented/ "perking" towards the light.

so i think the only main issue so far is too much PPFD on that one plant, but dont want to give less to the others if they are asking for more?
so its gonna have to handle/deal with it, i suppose.

the 320~w KS3000 is 8-12 inches from canopy at 75% Power, the sf2000 202~W is at 80-90%


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i was thinking, for my next veg run, to take those cheap ass 200 1 inch rockwool cubes, leave them in sets of 4 or whatever, and stack them into containers/solos and place clone/seeds in/on top of em.

alot cheaper than me buying 6 inch cubes AND slabs perhaps

 

[Dirtbag]

1.4-1.5 E.C - In, watered till run off

Thanks you, only/main "problem" for me/on these seems to be, the plant in the back left isnt taking the light as well as the others that perking up to it
they're leaf shade/color could maybe be a littler healthier, but nothing to chase tail over.


OR

the one plant is more flat/drooped than the other 3 plants' leafs that are oriented/ "perking" towards the light.

so i think the only main issue so far is too much PPFD on that one plant, but dont want to give less to the others if they are asking for more?
so its gonna have to handle/deal with it, i suppose.

the 320~w KS3000 is 8-12 inches from canopy at 75% Power, the sf2000 202~W is at 80-90%


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i was thinking, for my next veg run, to take those cheap ass 200 1 inch rockwool cubes, leave them in sets of 4 or whatever, and stack them into containers/solos and place clone/seeds in/on top of em.

alot cheaper than me buying 6 inch cubes AND slabs perhaps

Could be just a bit runty too. I got in the habit of taking way more cuts than I needed and only using the biggest/best of the bunch to keep the flower room uniform. Otherwise I would invariably end up with a runt of the litter.

And can't see why the stacked rooters wouldn't work, but slabs are a vertical weave where rooters are a horizontal weave i think. I have a preference for vertical weave for flowering size plants, but it would still work. Hugo's have a vertical weave I believe. Or they used to anyway.

 

[Observer]

Could be just a bit runty too. I got in the habit of taking way more cuts than I needed and only using the biggest/best of the bunch to keep the flower room uniform. Otherwise I would invariably end up with a runt of the litter.

Ohh.

which is kinda funny,

cause i think it was growing the "fastest" and bushiest, and wanted all the PPFD in veg, maybe some stress/defoliation related/too


and 2 much back to back high-ppfd, tiring it out too (?) idfk

ive been back and fourth between 50 and 75% power on the vipar. i have moved it up and over towards the other ones a little.

And can't see why the stacked rooters wouldn't work, but slabs are a horizontal weave where rooters are a vertical weave. I have a preference for vertical weave for flowering size plants, but it would still work. Hugo's have a vertical weave I believe. Or they used to anyway.

Ahh, i See, maybe ill just buy the slabs and try the stacked rooters on top lmao.

excited to finally try it.

2x4 flowers go down in a week or two, then time for the next VEG Start/Run

 

[Observer]

Thanks for yalls help.
@Dirtbag
@tobh

next thing/focus, is to narrow the input>output E.Cs together.