Gassy Cream Cake Hydro scrog

[Stoneyluv]

We laughed about it a few times.

Mammoth was the one that hurt. Got WPM and rot iirc.

that white stuff is some evil shit!!!! had both that and rot already.. not fun!!

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so i'm getting tempted to put the cuttings i took in the RDWC.. i just don't know the strain.. i think, and i think maybe sour tangie...



for some reason the others are behind quite a bit and are just starting.. we'll see how this all plays out here.. i do have some options though.



tonights pcs..

 

[Zen_seeker]

Do you dip your cuttings in any rooting gel? I don’t recall…

I dip mine in the gel even if I put them in water. I like to think it helps speed things up but I’ve never done a side by side.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Do you dip your cuttings in any rooting gel? I don’t recall…

I dip mine in the gel even if I put them in water. I like to think it helps speed things up but I’ve never done a side by side.

no, knowing my bad luck i was always afraid it would wash off and mess up my pump somehow.. i have some old gel haven't used it in years.

right now i have a couple capfuls of this in there.. i forgot the check the ph or temps or anything..

that little cloner is about as bulletproof as rapid rooters! sometimes it takes a while but i always get roots.

 

[Zen_seeker]

no, knowing my bad luck i was always afraid it would wash off and mess up my pump somehow.. i have some old gel haven't used it in years.

right now i have a couple capfuls of this in there.. i forgot the check the ph or temps or anything..

that little cloner is about as bulletproof as rapid rooters! sometimes it takes a while but i always get roots.

I’ve had great luck with my coffee can and the new neoprene pucks are the perfect finish. I don’t add anything. Just change the tap water once a week.

I dip all my clones in this gel. One’s i put in soil also get the pink dry powder put on and occasionally I add that to the soil.



I’ve never even thought to check the PH or PPM of my clone water.

IIRC it’s always near PH 6 & 150PPM. I’ll have to check that next time, if only out of curiosity.

 

[steamroller]

Do you use the same water for your soil plants as your hydro?
I can't remember if it was asked.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I’ve had great luck with my coffee can and the new neoprene pucks are the perfect finish. I don’t add anything. Just change the tap water once a week.

I dip all my clones in this gel. One’s i put in soil also get the pink dry powder put on and occasionally I add that to the soil. View attachment 92465

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I’ve never even thought to check the PH or PPM of my clone water.

IIRC it’s always near PH 6 & 150PPM. I’ll have to check that next time, if only out of curiosity.

i've been using that cloner for years now and just bought a ph pen a few months ago! haha

Do you use the same water for your soil plants as your hydro?
I can't remember if it was asked.

yes sir, i normally take the hydro water right from the outside tank valve and the soil water normally sits in the big blue barrel. i only do this because the barrel is small and the hydro sucks up half if it and i only use gravity to fill so it takes longer. right from the valve fills it in minutes.
1psi for every two foot of elevation.

 

[moe.red]

i get what you're saying and thanks for tearing off the bandaid. i really was hoping they would just snap out of it and started growing like nothing happened. at first of reading that it made me sad, like no not another failed grow... but after reading this and accepting it today i understand.

Sorry man was not meant to be discouraging. Just explaining from my point of view we will never have all the answers. We have an incomplete data set. So you do the best you can.

I built my tents out to try to eliminate variables. I don’t deal with temps or rh or whatever out of “spec” because I have control thru hardware. But even then we can debate exactly what the specs should be!

When we get into this mode we tend to start picking fly shit out of pepper and looking at every little thing. But wtf Mother Nature doesn’t baby plants like we do. Plants live thru hurricanes for fucks sake. At least the strong ones do.

Ultimately my opinion is you got off to a bad start like the seedling that should come up in April got a weird warm snap in February and came up early then barely lived thru the cold for a month. Now you are trying to play catch up with a lack of foundation.

But as I said we don’t know for sure and never will. We have guesses at this point. Figure out the weakness that makes the most sense to you and don’t do that again.

 

[moe.red]

that white stuff is some evil shit!!!! had both that and rot already.. not fun!!

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so i'm getting tempted to put the cuttings i took in the RDWC.. i just don't know the strain.. i think, and i think maybe sour tangie...

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for some reason the others are behind quite a bit and are just starting.. we'll see how this all plays out here.. i do have some options though.

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tonights pcs..

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Does that mean you are scrapping one plant and replacing with the clone? That would be interesting. Be som shit if the clone overtook the other plant!

 

[Stoneyluv]

Sorry man was not meant to be discouraging. Just explaining from my point of view we will never have all the answers. We have an incomplete data set. So you do the best you can.

I built my tents out to try to eliminate variables. I don’t deal with temps or rh or whatever out of “spec” because I have control thru hardware. But even then we can debate exactly what the specs should be!

When we get into this mode we tend to start picking fly shit out of pepper and looking at every little thing. But wtf Mother Nature doesn’t baby plants like we do. Plants live thru hurricanes for fucks sake. At least the strong ones do.

Ultimately my opinion is you got off to a bad start like the seedling that should come up in April got a weird warm snap in February and came up early then barely lived thru the cold for a month. Now you are trying to play catch up with a lack of foundation.

But as I said we don’t know for sure and never will. We have guesses at this point. Figure out the weakness that makes the most sense to you and don’t do that again.

Moe you were not discouraging one bit. sometimes i need to hear the truth!!! if anything you have been been very encouraging to get this growing!!

and i'll be fine if i never really find out and it just goes to genetics.. when all else fails blame the genetics, i've done this before!! hahaha

Does that mean you are scrapping one plant and replacing with the clone? That would be interesting. Be som shit if the clone overtook the other plant!

kinda yeah!!!

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Update..

so last night i scrapped the plant on the right. in its place i put a small sad looking clone, the roots are strong so this is just a learning thing, i have no plans to keep this plant or grow it out. just a test!!



but in just half a day i already see roots found their way out of the netcup and are looking for water...



and for the next try i will use two of these four.. put the seeds in rooter plugs with a drop of enzymes and a dusting of great white and put them in the cloner.. i made simple collars to hold the rooter in place and easy to take out later. FAFO!! oh, and i took out half the white light and went back to the seedling spectrum. i figured it can't really hurt on the root test either...




also trying out the GH trio and loaded the cloner with equal amounts of each and added the same amount of rapid start(1ml each). with 1.5 gallons of water at 120ppm and no ph adjustment was needed. heat mat is on full and unregulated for now. i need to add a splitter or another power strip, i'm out of outlets in there again!! haha
i'll keep y'all posted over the next couple days!!

 

[ninjadip]

Moe you were not discouraging one bit. sometimes i need to hear the truth!!! if anything you have been been very encouraging to get this growing!!

and i'll be fine if i never really find out and it just goes to genetics.. when all else fails blame the genetics, i've done this before!! hahaha



kinda yeah!!!

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Update..

so last night i scrapped the plant on the right. in its place i put a small sad looking clone, the roots are strong so this is just a learning thing, i have no plans to keep this plant or grow it out. just a test!!

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but in just half a day i already see roots found their way out of the netcup and are looking for water...

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and for the next try i will use two of these four.. put the seeds in rooter plugs with a drop of enzymes and a dusting of great white and put them in the cloner.. i made simple collars to hold the rooter in place and easy to take out later. FAFO!! oh, and i took out half the white light and went back to the seedling spectrum. i figured it can't really hurt on the root test either...

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also trying out the GH trio and loaded the cloner with equal amounts of each and added the same amount of rapid start(1ml each). with 1.5 gallons of water at 120ppm and no ph adjustment was needed. heat mat is on full and unregulated for now. i need to add a splitter or another power strip, i'm out of outlets in there again!! haha
i'll keep y'all posted over the next couple days!!

love seeing this bro

 

[Stoneyluv]

so still no change, i've tried a few things and nothing seems to correct this problem..



so unfortunately i decided to drop back ten and punt.. started new seeds...



here's what blows me away, the cloner has rainwater, equal amounts of GH trio and a dose of rapid start. the ph has not moving a single tenth in days now!!! no buffer no nuthin.. i really hope this is a sign to come when i load it up in 26 gallons of fresh water!!

speaking of fresh water, i drained the system, wiped it out, flushed it a couple times and then filled it back up and brought it up to temp.



zero ppms!!!!!! thats a first for me!!!

since the cloner is super cheap to run and is working so far i will let them in there till i see some roots or something changes.. so far no roots poking through.

 

[Stoneyluv]

trying some rockwool...


and...

 

[Stoneyluv]

@moe.red is this good or bad? ... hoping to hear good enough. i'm not sure the DO probe is correct, the membrane leaked when i put the drops in. meter said zero till i put it in the rez.

 

[Observer]

@moe.red is this good or bad? ... hoping to hear good enough. i'm not sure the DO probe is correct, the membrane leaked when i put the drops in. meter said zero till i put it in the rez.

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ik ur not asking me but if thats accurate thats pretty good imo

 

[Stoneyluv]

ik ur not asking me but if thats accurate thats pretty good imo

thanks!! i ordered new membrane tips yesterday so i'll try again when i get them. i'm just not sure how important it is to have the electrolyte sealed inside the cap.

i'm a total noob to this, i dropped some solution in the cap and it dripped right out, i was like ah shit.. so i dripped in more and screwed the cap on, sensor already said zero so i didn't even stick it in the calibration solution or anything i just dipped it in the rez and held the o2 sensor a couple inches above the water level.

then i grabbed some tape and held the sensors in place while i took the photo.

i didn't leave it in the water i just wiped it dry and unplugged it. i bought those new caps from somebody on ebay, so it might take a few days.

if this raises no red flags i'd like to proceed with maybe adding nutes and bennies while the seedlings build a better root base in the cloner.

 

[moe.red]

@moe.red is this good or bad? ... hoping to hear good enough. i'm not sure the DO probe is correct, the membrane leaked when i put the drops in. meter said zero till i put it in the rez.

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It’s not believable.

O2 conc should be atmospheric which should be at least 20% and should be 20.95% outdoors.

Do is also way too high 20 is not achievable without a concentrator.

Sumpthin ain’t right there bro.

Trying to remember isnt there a constant in the code that sets calibration? If I did not send the code I’ll dig it up for you.

 

[Stoneyluv]

It’s not believable.

O2 conc should be atmospheric which should be at least 20% and should be 20.95% outdoors.

Do is also way too high 20 is not achievable without a concentrator.

Sumpthin ain’t right there bro.

Trying to remember isnt there a constant in the code that sets calibration? If I did not send the code I’ll dig it up for you.

back to drawing board...

those new membrane tips shipped so i should have em in a few days.

but it didn't appear to go into any calibration mode when i plugged it in. it just powered up and DO was at zero and the o2 was around the same 5%

i'll try it again later and see if i missed something the first time. seemed way to easy so i figured something had to be up.

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could i connect to it and upload the code thats on there to look at?

 

[moe.red]

back to drawing board...

those new membrane tips shipped so i should have em in a few days.

but it didn't appear to go into any calibration mode when i plugged it in. it just powered up and DO was at zero and the o2 was around the same 5%

i'll try it again later and see if i missed something the first time. seemed way to easy so i figured something had to be up.

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could i connect to it and upload the code thats on there to look at?

Lets take this offline. I can't remember what I built there lol. I think it has a mega uC? if so, no you can only push software not pull. But I'm sure I have the code on my workshop pc at home if that is the case and I can send to you.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Lets take this offline. I can't remember what I built there lol. I think it has a mega uC? if so, no you can only push software not pull. But I'm sure I have the code on my workshop pc at home if that is the case and I can send to you.

not a mega, it's one of the six analog ones... same rules i assume?



and for my stoner moment of the day... i guess i should have taken the cap off of the o2 sensor, huh?



reads like 18% with the cap off. was hoping for the 20% but not even outside, just 18. is this an elevation thing maybe?

 

[moe.red]

not a mega, it's one of the six analog ones... same rules i assume?

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and for my stoner moment of the day... i guess i should have taken the cap off of the o2 sensor, huh?

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reads like 18% with the cap off. was hoping for the 20% but not even outside, just 18. is this an elevation thing maybe?

You mean that cap is not made of oxygen?

Yes you cannot. Send the code to you I will.

Set the constant to calibrate you must. Not calibrating is the path to the dark side.

 

[moe.red]

Gravity: Electrochemical Oxygen / O2 Sensor (0-100%Vol) I2C Wiki - DFRobot

Wiki: This full-scale oxygen / O2 sensor employs the original AO2 CiTiceL® oxygen / O2 sensor probe and features a measurement range of 0-100%Vol and I2C digital output, which can be adapted to application scenarios including oxygen generators, automobile exhaust, and air-fuel ratio detection.

wiki.dfrobot.com

I’ll be around tonight if ya wanna play with this.

 

[ninjadip]

I’ll be around tonight if ya wanna play with this.

That's what she said

 

[Observer]

not a mega, it's one of the six analog ones... same rules i assume?

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and for my stoner moment of the day... i guess i should have taken the cap off of the o2 sensor, huh?

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reads like 18% with the cap off. was hoping for the 20% but not even outside, just 18. is this an elevation thing maybe?

thats cool i wanna learn

now im looking at arduinos and Pi's

 

[Stoneyluv]

Set the constant to calibrate you must. Not calibrating is the path to the dark side.

i figured it was something i was overlooking!!

Gravity: Electrochemical Oxygen / O2 Sensor (0-100%Vol) I2C Wiki - DFRobot

Wiki: This full-scale oxygen / O2 sensor employs the original AO2 CiTiceL® oxygen / O2 sensor probe and features a measurement range of 0-100%Vol and I2C digital output, which can be adapted to application scenarios including oxygen generators, automobile exhaust, and air-fuel ratio detection.

wiki.dfrobot.com

I’ll be around tonight if ya wanna play with this.

yeah, i should have started there Moe!! i didn't even realize that board had buttons on it!! i'll give it a go and see what i come up with!!

thats cool i wanna learn

now im looking at arduinos and Pi's

me fuckin too!!!!!!

like you have no idea how much i want to learn all this!!!!

Moe sent me a bunch of goodies to play with and i'm going to try to make my own pH dosing set up... i wanna try and do as much as i can myself but i know Moe is gonna have to bail me out when i get in too deep.

so far i can talk to the little pumps and tell them to turn on and off and send liquid. next i need to tie a ph meter to it and tell it to pump one or the other and for how long depending on what the ph reading is.

https://imgur.com/a/rIB6CJc

i'm all fuckin nerded out right now man!!!!

 

[Observer]

i figured it was something i was overlooking!!



yeah, i should have started there Moe!! i didn't even realize that board had buttons on it!! i'll give it a go and see what i come up with!!



me fuckin too!!!!!!

like you have no idea how much i want to learn all this!!!!

Moe sent me a bunch of goodies to play with and i'm going to try to make my own pH dosing set up... i wanna try and do as much as i can myself but i know Moe is gonna have to bail me out when i get in too deep.

so far i can talk to the little pumps and tell them to turn on and off and send liquid. next i need to tie a ph meter to it and tell it to pump one or the other and for how long depending on what the ph reading is.

https://imgur.com/a/rIB6CJc

i'm all fuckin nerded out right now man!!!!

I was just looking at pH dosers an hour or so ago too lol

It would be great for my aero setup if I'm using citric acid which is a weak acid, but has other benefits I may be after supposedly, like metal chelation.

But since it's a "weak" acid I need to buffer and use "more" of it.

They are fucking expensive lol. (Auto pH dosers)

There may be a cheaper route making you're own with arduino or Pi's and few other tools.

And I would love to know my DO and ORP values as well.

Ideally, I would like to do some form of O2 "injection".

But need to know/find out the "maximum" range that the plants want or needs for oxygen, that would be nice to know.

 

[Observer]

Also I tagged you in my thread about pinching the end tap root to make it branch out if you wanna take a look

 

[Observer]

I've been trying to teach my self code.


It' just seems to be one of the harder areas for my brain to grasp.

Unlike working with plants and chemistry, which I "flow" with "easier", seemingly.


I can understand the functions, variables and commands, but putting it all together into a "lanuage" / or program one can utilize, Idk.


Feel like working with the pis or arduinos and setting up sensors will help teach me coding "language".

And It's cheaper so there's a "motivator" along side the passion for the Grow.

 

[Max]

Time to go to spec savers Stoney

 

[Observer]

I still don't understand what the fuck is wrong with those plants lol

 

[Stoneyluv]

I was just looking at pH dosers an hour or so ago too lol

It would be great for my aero setup if I'm using citric acid which is a weak acid, but has other benefits I may be after supposedly, like metal chelation.

But since it's a "weak" acid I need to buffer and use "more" of it.

They are fucking expensive lol. (Auto pH dosers)

There may be a cheaper route making you're own with arduino or Pi's and few other tools.

And I would love to know my DO and ORP values as well.

Ideally, I would like to do some form of O2 "injection".

But need to know/find out the "maximum" range that the plants want or needs for oxygen, that would be nice to know.

they are expensive AF!! considering what they are and how they work!! i hope to build one for less than half the price.

Also I tagged you in my thread about pinching the end tap root to make it branch out if you wanna take a look

sweet thanks, i'll check that out for sure!!!!!

I've been trying to teach my self code.


It' just seems to be one of the harder areas for my brain to grasp.

Unlike working with plants and chemistry, which I "flow" with "easier", seemingly.


I can understand the functions, variables and commands, but putting it all together into a "lanuage" / or program one can utilize, Idk.


Feel like working with the pis or arduinos and setting up sensors will help teach me coding "language".

And It's cheaper so there's a "motivator" along side the passion for the Grow.

this is my very first man, i've copied/paste and edited text on a couple codes before but this is the first time i typed it all out and made it personal.

baby steps!!!

Time to go to spec savers Stoney
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i had to use one of these Max..



this is how i get my buds to look half the size of yours!!!! hahaha

I still don't understand what the fuck is wrong with those plants lol

haha i hear man, i hear ya... we'll say it was the nutes, because i probably won't use it in hydro anymore now that have the trio.. haha