Newbie learning how to hydro

[Bushman]

Greetings sirs!!

It's my first post here, so hi everybody

I've been trying to hydro for last couple of months, fortunately with no luck, and still trying to figure how to work with rdwc correctly.

What you watching here is my current try, and its going far better than all my previous ones.


My rdwc system is diy, the nutes i using are terra aquatica tri part. Plants are at day 5 in their hydro buckets, previously, those net pots were submerged in a little water with root stimulator until i saw those roots coming out, transplanted right after. Atm i following 'grow' schedule. Also im using TA pro roots stimulator as mentioned in TA schedule. Water im using is RO. Ph around 6.0 and . Water temperature around 20. Air pump is 2400 lt/h for 4, 20 lt buckets.
My lights are LED Lumatek 465 zeus pro c, and running at 50% atm.

Net pots are like 1-2 inches above the water.
Also im hand watering (top feeding) those plants 3-4 times a day.

What you guys think. Are they looking ok? Feel free to ask me any info you want, all comments and suggestions are super appreciated.

Thank you for your time

Kind regards

 

[Bushman]

Forgot to mention...

PPM is 580, also using TA Fulvic, and 0.1 ml/l Atami cal mag

Thanks

 

[steamroller]

Welcome to Bud Builders.
You came to right place to get hydro help.

 

[GrumpAzz]

We're glad to have you here, Bushman. I've got a single plant RDWC going right now. It's only my third attempt but I've learned so much from these guys.

I initially thought your water looked a little heavy on the nutes, but I don't see any tip burn so I'd say run with it. I'll be following along to hopefully learn with you as you go.

Welcome to BudBuilder

 

[moe.red]

Hello bushman.

I can help. Can you link the nutes and schedule you are using? Never heard of ta. I’m guessing you are European?

Is that straight perlite around the plant? Are these photoperiod seedlings?

Are you running peroxide or bleach or beneficial bacteria at all?

 

[SSgrower]

Terra is a european distributor of what seem to be quality liquid nutrients, I am not familiar either, Moe's got ya, he does aquaponic's well. SS Welcome to the BB forum.

 

[Bushman]

Hey, and thanks!!
Nice to meet you folks

Moe.Red hey!!

Sure, here is the schedule..
Also yeah, plants were germinated in small plastic pots with perlite and just a little of sphagnum moss. I avoided using rockwool.

I was using peroxide to clean the system, but not with plants in it. Would be cool to know how it works and what are the benefits of it.

Bacterias yeah, i have a small container of Advanced Nutrients voodoo juice, i was thinking of using it later. Would you suggest to use it straight away?
See, I was trying to go as easy as i could with all those nutes...
Those are autoflowering strains.

Kind regards

 

[Max]

Terra aquatica is the same nutrient formula as general hydroponics….we have it here and what I have been told it was general hydroponics now branded for the Australian market..

 

[Ikilledit]

Hey Welcome to the Forum.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Welcome!

You came to the right place for hydro. Top shelf guys here!

 

[GoodShit97]

Welcome to Bud Builders, you are in the right place for growing via water!
The best hydro guys ive seen are here and will help whenever.

 

[Buzzking]

Welcome to Bud Builders! Lots of good help and friendly folks here and for sure Moe is the expert on hydro. Plants look good but I do see some slight yellowing of the tips so might be a bit strong on the nutes. However I’m still a newbie only on my 4th grow so will let Moe take the lead here. Sure he’ll take good care of you and have you harvesting some quality smoke in no time. Enjoy!

 

[moe.red]

Awesome I know GH pretty well.

Gotta head to the airport but I'll be back in a few hours with detail.

 

[smoke]

Greetings sirs!!

It's my first post here, so hi everybody

I've been trying to hydro for last couple of months, fortunately with no luck, and still trying to figure how to work with rdwc correctly.

What you watching here is my current try, and its going far better than all my previous ones.


My rdwc system is diy, the nutes i using are terra aquatica tri part. Plants are at day 5 in their hydro buckets, previously, those net pots were submerged in a little water with root stimulator until i saw those roots coming out, transplanted right after. Atm i following 'grow' schedule. Also im using TA pro roots stimulator as mentioned in TA schedule. Water im using is RO. Ph around 6.0 and . Water temperature around 20. Air pump is 2400 lt/h for 4, 20 lt buckets.
My lights are LED Lumatek 465 zeus pro c, and running at 50% atm.

Net pots are like 1-2 inches above the water.
Also im hand watering (top feeding) those plants 3-4 times a day.

What you guys think. Are they looking ok? Feel free to ask me any info you want, all comments and suggestions are super appreciated.

Thank you for your time

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Welcome to budbilders.

First thought, ppms are too high imo, i assume that's on the 500 scale? Most here do talk 500 scale i think that i am the only one that uses the 700 scale. As a example my last grow never got above 580 on the 700 scale. In my system I'd be feeding those plants around 350 ppm. Which consists of RO water with 200 ppms of calmag added and the rest nutrients. I use general hydroponics 3 part which is similar.

For being only 5 days in the system the roots are going crazy. I'll stop top feeding when the roots hit the water.

 

[Bushman]

Hey smoke!!!
Thanks for passing by!!

I was trying to calculate 580ppm into EC and got around 1140ec. I don't know if those internet calculators are correct, but i got also around 1140ec on my pen.

Hey,have a look on the nutrient bottle indications. According to 'growing' schedule, they say that waters ec/ms , will range from 1300 to 1800.
With that logic i thought those were good indications.
I'm not sure if i got all that ppm and ec thing correct, and if you can actually convert ppm to ec... Would be nice to know

Best wishes

 

[Max]

this chart should help you understand it a little better.most of us would b using between 600-800 ppm 500 scale max in flower.hell I don’t even hardly go over 600 lol..I don’t think we have a thread on here on what ppms to use from seedling to flower.yet..I never go by whats on the bottle..there feed chart recommendations are pretty high to me...just A marketing ploy to get more money from you..
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[GrumpAzz]

this chart should help you understand it a little better.most of us would b using between 600-800 ppm 500 scale max in flower.hell I don’t even hardly go over 600 lol..I don’t think we have a thread on here on what ppms to use from seedling to flower.yet..I never go by whats on the bottle..there feed chart recommendations are pretty high to me...just A marketing ploy to get more money from you..
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I agree. My first run I only got to 700+ once and got some tip burn. Right now my seedling that's around the same age as Bushman's is getting 250ppm on the 500 scale.

I think it may be too difficult to come up with an actual chart based on growth stage because of each strains individual needs.

 

[CannaGranny]

Welcome to budbuilders @Bushman !

 

[Max]

I agree. My first run I only got to 700+ once and got some tip burn. Right now my seedling that's around the same age as Bushman's is getting 250ppm on the 500 scale.

I think it may be too difficult to come up with an actual chart based on growth stage because of each strains individual needs.

Yeah that’s true but we should b able to get an average ballpark figure new guys can go off to get them on the right track.

maybe we could start a thread and put our numbers up from day 1 to week 5 and flower ….method used coco/perlite ,pro mix,RDWC etc and the admins can work out an average the bud builders forum members use

 

[Bushman]

Hey guys!!!

Beginning of the day 6, tbh im not seeing those plants too happy, all i can think is some kind of transplant stress..
Also im noticing some crumbling leaf tips, maybe i should dilute my nutrient solution with water until ppm drops?

Oh man, this rdwc might be tricky..

Kind regards

 

[Bushman]

I'm trying to find some information on feeding the right ppm's, since i find this very important.
All things i find, showing values way above of those you guys mentioned.
Im not saying anything about you being wrong, all i do is trying to understand how to work with nutes.
I totally understand that your values comes from practice, but those i keep reading are just brochures.

Here is another brochure from Royal Queen

All info and suggestions are super appreciated

Thank you for your time

Kind regards

 

[smoke]

Hey bushman, i feed GH 3 part which is apparently a close formula to what your feeding. My system consists of a top off res containing RO water and calmag at a rate of 3ml per gallon of water. I'll link my thread here to show just how little feed they actually eat daily, so why feed them more than their hungry for?

https://budbuilders.org/threads/athens-silver-haze.675/post-48881

Edit: in veg i feed 3 parts green,2 parts brown,1 part pink at a ppm of 320 to 350 total ppm all through veg

 

[Bushman]

Hey smoke!!!
Very nice, thanks for sharing, I'll dilute my solution right away and see what happens.

Btw, what do you mean by 3 parts green,2 parts brown and 1 part pink.. could you write those in ml/l or ml/gal

Thank you for taking your time and posting

Kind regards

 

[GrumpAzz]

Hey smoke!!!
Very nice, thanks for sharing, I'll dilute my solution right away and see what happens.

Btw, what do you mean by 3 parts green,2 parts brown and 1 part pink.. could you write those in ml/l or ml/gal

Thank you for taking your time and posting

Kind regards

He's referring to the ratios of green (grow) to brown (micro) to pink (bloom). Like 3ml/gal grow to 2ml/gal micro to 1ml/gal bloom. Those numbers aren't concrete, just the ratio.

Most of us take the manufacturers recommended ratios and cut them down by half or more. The word on the street is that they put those high numbers on the bottle to get you to buy more product in the end.

 

[Bushman]

WoW!!

May i ask for the future, you cutting all manufacturers recommendations? for example would you also cut Avanced Nutrients?

 

[GrumpAzz]

WoW!!

May i ask for the future, you cutting all manufacturers recommendations? for example would you also cut Avanced Nutrients?

I would say yes. I've only ran the GH 3 part but I would assume they all play the same game. Half their suggestion and go from there. Some plants are heavy feeders so you'll have to start somewhere and read the plant.

 

[smoke]

Hey smoke!!!
Very nice, thanks for sharing, I'll dilute my solution right away and see what happens.

Btw, what do you mean by 3 parts green,2 parts brown and 1 part pink.. could you write those in ml/l or ml/gal

Thank you for taking your time and posting

Kind regards

In my room the solution i start with is RO water mine is usually around 40 ppm starting, then I'll ad the calmag (200 ppms worth of calmag), so now lets say my starting ppms is now 240. To this I'll add the nutrients to bring total ppms to my desired number of say 330 and see how they respond.

15 cc of green, 10 cc of brown (micro) and 5 cc of pink will raise the ppms in my system by 30 ppm (we call that one dose) so to raise my water by another 90 ppm's i will add a triple dose 45 cc green 30 micro 15 pink.

Clear as mud?

 

[Bushman]

Super clear, smoke!!!

Thats actually amazing, how much less nutrients you guys using... Thats also lowers some nute costs!!
I'm on my way of diluting the solution, i want it to reach 350ppm at least..

Big thanks
I really appreciate it

 

[moe.red]

I always say smoke grows on farts and giggles and a splash of cal mag.

I’ll respond in detail and try to answer all the questions when I can get to a keyboard. Pita finding and linking stuff on this little screen. Leaving nj tonight!! Cheers

 

[Rootsruler]

Welcome Bushman! You're definitely in the right place for hydro!!