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[tobh]

I run LEDs and run 85f and 75Rh until stretch is done and then basically keep F and Rh 10 points apart until chop but only drop 1-2 points each for the last 6 weeks and never get lower than 75f 60Rh. Again just the way I was taught! With High Rh and 10 fans circulating the air like a hurricane PM or Mold will not ever come into play and your yield and quality will increase. Again just my 2 cents but I have been running the same way since the day I started growing indoors.

i think our styles are very similar, though i want my RH to be a bit lower. 65% is the money shot. but when you have a fucking typhoon running in your space for circulation, good luck mold! ain't nothing gonna take hold. every leaf dances, all the time.

i just like to ensure that the atmospheric pressure to let the girls breathe during lights on. when they breathe, it lets em metabolize. just wish i had a sealed room to run CO2 so running 80F+ would yield the real benefits. handicapped life sucks in some ways.

 

[LJFarming]

Handicap life might possibly be better than my OCD disability. I always plan to drop the Rh down closer to 60 but by the time I feel it should be I have already changed something else from the previous grow and try my hardest to only change 1 thing per grow so I don’t have to guess what hurt or helped when changing 2-3 things. I would like to say my room is sealed as tight as a frogs ass but I know it’s definitely not perfect in a 50+ year old building even though I have spent a fortune on spray foam and caulking!

 

[LJFarming]

My air circulation happens above the canopy level and is five 16” fans blowing at each other not oscillating to create somewhat of a redneck Vortex is how it was taught to me. Then there is five 6 inch fans oscillating pointed up from tray level to #1 make sure there is no low stagnant air below the canopy. #2 potentially bro science to push the co2 falling through the canopy back up and give the plants 2 breaths of said same co2. It takes me three 50# tanks per grow and it costs less than $100 but once you get it dialed in you can force feed the young ladies light and nutrients and they turn into productive women!

 

[LJFarming]

I spend less than $200 on salts per grow and run high fertigation/ 8 feedings per day. I will call BS on anyone saying high EC is the way and the light! I typically run between 1-1.5 EC the entire grow!

 

[tobh]

I spend less than $200 on salts per grow and run high fertigation/ 8 feedings per day. I will call BS on anyone saying high EC is the way and the light! I typically run between 1-1.5 EC the entire grow!

right there.

i mis-spoke -- not handicapped physically, but space wise. used to run much larger rooms over a decade ago. i'm space handicapped now (kinda). foot in mouth.

but 1 - 1.5 EC, pushing the girls even without CO2 is where its at in high fertigation. sure, you can run way higher but it's a waist when your runoff reads the same as the input.. just saying. 1-1.5 is about right, depending on stage of growth. in a bleeding edge style like this we're not concerned about veg so much as flower and in flower seeing output come out the same as input in DTW, that's the best we can hope.

 

[LJFarming]

I spend less than $200 on salts per grow and run high fertigation/ 8 feedings per day. I will call BS on anyone saying high EC is the way and the light! I typically run between 1-1.5 EC the entire grow!

Ain’t no reason to jam food down their throat if they can’t breathe enough and don’t have enough light

FYI all Food is cheap! CO2 and Light are expensive!

 

[LJFarming]

As long as runoff isn’t way higher than input as well as way lower you must be doing something right IMO

 

[tobh]

As long as runoff isn’t way higher than input as well as way lower you must be doing something right IMO

that's the coco talking. come to the dark side, join the rockwool clan you can still run DTW

 

[LJFarming]

My girls go in the flower room fully rooted in 1 gallon of coco and if they are over 15” tall they get fliped. 1 plant per square ft or 16 per light/4x4 tray. IMO nothing will help yield more than more plants. Unless you’re trying to put 200 solo cups in 1 tent! LMAO sorry observer

 

[LJFarming]

that's the coco talking. come to the dark side, join the rockwool clan you can still run DTW

I have thought about it but damn even a dumb ole fart like me can do very well in coco. I was definitely headed the rockwool way because I was so sick of 2 transplants and cleaning 96 pots each time. Now unfortunately I own 200+ fucking 1 gallon hydro farm square pots that need to go to the dump. The Floraflex 1 gallon quick fill compressed coco bricks are the only thing that kept me from the dark side honestly!

 

[tobh]

I have thought about it but damn even a dumb ole fart like me can do very well in coco. I was definitely headed the rockwool way because I was so sick of 2 transplants and cleaning 96 pots each time. Now unfortunately I own 200+ fucking 1 gallon hydro farm square pots that need to go to the dump. The Floraflex 1 gallon quick fill compressed coco bricks are the only thing that kept me from the dark side honestly!

ahh you got stuck in the dirt side.

you're always welcome in the way more unenvironmentally side if you choose to transition. coco is amazing, and damn near very much the same. it's just so. damn. dirty. but you're invested now.

have a great night man.

 

[Observer]

Sweet.

 

[Observer]

Haha

 

[Observer]

Removed fuckton, could remove more.

But watching explode in a few days.

 

[Observer]

@Aqua Man is a plants metabolic rate also a variable in nutrient profile/ ratio requirements (?)

Faster system - vs - slower system
Faster/slower growth.

 

[Observer]

I run LEDs and run 85f and 75Rh until stretch is done and then basically keep F and Rh 10 points apart until chop but only drop 1-2 points each for the last 6 weeks and never get lower than 75f 60Rh. Again just the way I was taught! With High Rh and 10 fans circulating the air like a hurricane PM or Mold will not ever come into play and your yield and quality will increase. Again just my 2 cents but I have been running the same way since the day I started growing indoors.

Keep the night time temps the same or not far off to help reduce stretch (?) During the stretch period ?

If it was even needed or

 

[LJFarming]

Never let lights out temp drop more than 10-12f max from lights on! Especially without a dehumidifier. The Rh spike at lights out as well as the plants gassing the unused CO2 off can create a PM and Mold factory/major problem. A proper controlled exhaust and intake or oversized Dehuey is the best bet IMO!!! Otherwise you are just asking for problems.

 

[Observer]

Never let lights out temp drop more than 10-12f max from lights on! Especially without a dehumidifier. The Rh spike at lights out as well as the plants gassing the unused CO2 off can create a PM and Mold factory/major problem. A proper controlled exhaust and intake or oversized Dehuey is the best bet IMO!!! Otherwise you are just asking for problems.

Right right good point

I've just heard of some doing that during stretch or something like it to help reduce stretch maybe aqua can chime in on what I'm referring to

 

[LJFarming]

ahh you got stuck in the dirt side.

you're always welcome in the way more unenvironmentally side if you choose to transition. coco is amazing, and damn near very much the same. it's just so. damn. dirty. but you're invested now.

have a great night man.

I ain’t no damn dirt farmer! Whatchu talkin about! Lol

 

[LJFarming]

The closer you can keep lights on and off temps the less they will stretch for sure. Is this a good thing! IDK

But without a controller and running the proper intake and exhaust and the lights adding 500-1000 watts of heat in a typical tent during lights on I have no idea how this would be accomplished.

 

[Observer]

The closer you can keep lights on and off temps the less they will stretch for sure. Is this a good thing! IDK

But without a controller and running the proper intake and exhaust and the lights adding 500-1000 watts of heat in a typical tent during lights on I have no idea how this would be accomplished.

Gotcha

 

[tobh]

The closer you can keep lights on and off temps the less they will stretch for sure. Is this a good thing! IDK

But without a controller and running the proper intake and exhaust and the lights adding 500-1000 watts of heat in a typical tent during lights on I have no idea how this would be accomplished.

it's damn near impossible. similar to pissing in the wind, for lack of a better analogy

 

[LJFarming]

Right right good point

I've just heard of some doing that during stretch or something like it to help reduce stretch maybe aqua can chime in on what I'm referring to

I have as well but I honestly can’t say if that’s what is best for the plants. This is semi bro science but the temp typically drops 20+ degrees when the sun goes down! So I definitely feel a temperature difference is a good thing it can just bite you in the ass as well!

If your plants are too tall for the space you have that’s an entirely different issue.

 

[Observer]

I have as well but I honestly can’t say if that’s what is best for the plants. This is semi bro science but the temp typically drops 20+ degrees when the sun goes down! So I definitely feel a temperature difference is a good thing it can just bite you in the ass as well!

If your plants are too tall for the space you have that’s an entirely different issue.

Ok thanks.

Was curious about it.

 

[LJFarming]

If you FLIP the girls when they are 15-16” tall in 1 gallon coco pots you shouldn’t have anything to worry about!

However if you let 200 plants in solo cups get 2 plus feet tall and give them half the necessary light I can understand why stretch could become an issue.

 

[Observer]

If you FLIP the girls when they are 15-16” tall in 1 gallon coco pots you shouldn’t have anything to worry about!

However if you let 200 plants in solo cups get 2 plus feet tall and give them half the necessary light I can understand why stretch could become an issue.

Yeah....lol.....fucking around with the light schedule experiments

And then had the dials too low and underfeeding

 

[tobh]

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man is a plants metabolic rate also a variable in nutrient profile/ ratio requirements (?)

Faster system - vs - slower system
Faster/slower growth.

Im not sure what your asking?

Do nutrients impact the metabolic rate of plants? Yes but not in the way you may think. They are a need and if they are lacking it will slow the metabolic rate.

PGRs can increase metabolic rates.

But kinda yes to both because PGRs can increase the efficiency of the use if nutrients.

Pretty much everything effects metabolic rates

 

[Max]

Hahaha.she feels sorry for him if you can’t see it then I’m not gonna tell ya

 

[LJFarming]

Im not sure what your asking?

Do nutrients impact the metabolic rate of plants? Yes but not in the way you may think. They are a need and if they are lacking it will slow the metabolic rate.

PGRs can increase metabolic rates.

But kinda yes to both because PGRs can increase the efficiency of the use if nutrients.

Pretty much everything effects metabolic rates

Correct me if I’m wrong Aquaman but the plants can only use a certain amount of nutrients if they are not getting enough light or the environment is not dialed in. Only then once the light and environment are dialed in the plants would be able to benefit from higher EC levels and C02 levels.

This is how it was explained to me and please correct me if I am wrong. I’m definitely by no means a master grower and only have a few years experience and continue to learn everyday.

 

[Aqua Man]

Correct me if I’m wrong Aquaman but the plants can only use a certain amount of nutrients if they are not getting enough light or the environment is not dialed in. Only then once the light and environment are dialed in the plants would be able to benefit from higher EC levels and C02 levels.

This is how it was explained to me and please correct me if I am wrong. I’m definitely by no means a master grower and only have a few years experience and continue to learn everyday.

Its all balance. You can have a higher EC or lower EC and be fine. It greatly depends on the nutrient ratios, plant needs and VPD among others

There is no real simple answer other than it depends. But you eight generally speaking

 

[LJFarming]

This article really helped me grasp the art of balance.

Photobiology Guide

Unlock the secrets of photobiology in cannabis cultivation. Explore Fluence's comprehensive guide to leveraging light for superior plant development.

fluence-led.com

 

[LJFarming]

Simply put you really cannot increase one input and not the others and expect the plants to benefit from it.

 

[Observer]

Im not sure what your asking?

Do nutrients impact the metabolic rate of plants? Yes but not in the way you may think. They are a need and if they are lacking it will slow the metabolic rate.

PGRs can increase metabolic rates.

But kinda yes to both because PGRs can increase the efficiency of the use if nutrients.

Pretty much everything effects metabolic rates

I'm asking if

Does a faster growing plant need a higher ratio of nitrogen or calcium for example compared to a slower growing plant

 

[Observer]

2.0 E.C.

Was gonna drop to 1.5

wanted to play around with osmotic pressure stressing though, higher ec needed for that.

 

[Aqua Man]

I'm asking if

Does a faster growing plant need a higher ratio of nitrogen or calcium for example compared to a slower growing plant

No its need more uptake which naturally happens with a faster growing plant in a way.

 

[Observer]

No its need more uptake which naturally happens with a faster growing plant in a way.

Ok cool, thanks aqua

 

[Observer]

This article really helped me grasp the art of balance.

Photobiology Guide

Unlock the secrets of photobiology in cannabis cultivation. Explore Fluence's comprehensive guide to leveraging light for superior plant development.

fluence-led.com

Ill check it out

 

[Observer]

@Aqua Man

Simply put, Crop-Steering is

Fast Drybacks = Vegetative
Slower Drybacks = Generative

True/false/missing a bigger important detail?

 

[LJFarming]

WOW does it really matter? That’s another negative.5!