Silly experiments

[smoke]

What is RDWC?

Recirculating deep water culture

 

[thebranchman]

Most plausible solution to me is that you do not need the bottle of starter bacteria in your situation. You have had a good colony rather than a bad colony populate your res either from the air or some other source. And your plants are healthy enough that they are not susceptible to pathogens.

Oh yeah @Moe.Red i wanted to ask you about those cultures of the orca and great white, from the farm, were those just to see if theres growth or can those be used to grow your own supply of the stuff?

 

[Bandit420]

How did the Topsy turvy go?? That's been one I've thought about being funny to try out. One of my favorite lazy experiments was growing a plant dwc in tap water, it only grew a few inches tall but it still grew out.

All it did was pull a U turn and grow upwards.
I had a kooky idea of an inverted grow room with lights on the floor pointing up. Just didn't happen. So I opted for outdoors.
I built a 6' tall saw horse and hung the TT from the beam. I loaded it with a clone and all went well until mid bloom. A violent thunderstorm came thru and destroyed the whole thing. But the plant lived so I stuck it in my compost pile where it lived to flower out some bud then reveg and flower out some more leafy bud until it died the first Winter freeze

That's the problem I have with "Organic". What does that word mean in the scheme of things? What baseline do we go off of to define something as "organic"?

When you take it down to a molecular level there is no difference in nutrient ions that are sourced from inorganic sources vs organic sources. AFAIK, inorganic sources will present as nitrates and ammoniums immediately available whereas organics will present as proteins and amino acids for microbial life to be able to break down organic matter into those soluble ions..

I'm probably wrong or at least somewhat off base but that is my understanding of the difference.

*****Looks like we posted at the same time*****

I prefer the phrase "naturally derived"

 

[thebranchman]

All it did was pull a U turn and grow upwards.
I had a kooky idea of an inverted grow room with lights on the floor pointing up. Just didn't happen. So I opted for outdoors.
I built a 6' tall saw horse and hung the TT from the beam. I loaded it with a clone and all went well until mid bloom. A violent thunderstorm came thru and destroyed the whole thing. But the plant lived so I stuck it in my compost pile where it lived to flower out some bud then reveg and flower out some more leafy bud until it died the first Winter freeze


I prefer the phrase "naturally derived"

Love the story, I guess gravity is alot more of a driving factor in which way they than light then. Interesting

 

[thebranchman]

All it did was pull a U turn and grow upwards.
I had a kooky idea of an inverted grow room with lights on the floor pointing up. Just didn't happen. So I opted for outdoors.

Oh wait, I just reread that. You're saying you didn't do the the inverted grow room?

 

[moe.red]

Oh yeah @Moe.Red i wanted to ask you about those cultures of the orca and great white, from the farm, were those just to see if theres growth or can those be used to grow your own supply of the stuff?

There are a few things I did there. But yes the idea is to grow my own.

 

[Bandit420]

Oh wait, I just reread that. You're saying you didn't do the the inverted grow room?

Nah at the end of the day I had a moment of clarity and and inner voice that said "Dude, WTF are you doing?" So I didn't turn my g/room upside down.
I wasn't the first and doubt I'll be the last to try a Topsy Turvy grow though. I found some other grower pics online that show what I tried to describe by them taking a U turn to grow upwards

 

[Bandit420]

Ok so I'm going thru a lot of my old youtube videos and finding some oldies but goodies. Some are missing though and I guess maybe deleted by youtube or censored in some way.
Some of this stuff is really out there. Like the time I built a clone machine out of a R2D2 store display cooler. The best part is that it worked very well. Enjoy

 

[Bandit420]

The aquaponics test grows. It wasn't silly though. More like freakin' awesome.

Speaking of what makes something organic here's a fun fact: Aquaponics is organic even if you feed the fish inorganic food. Since the fish process the food into poop and the worms process the poop into plant food, it's considered organic by Omri.

Youtube has put an age restriction on this video so you have to watch it there but I guarantee it's worth the click if you wanna see some fish & red wigglers grow weed

 

[Zen_seeker]

100% agree. I just want to put it to bed with actual testing and post it up. That way next time I hear that, I can just drop in the link.

Seeing for ones self is never a waste of time if you learn and understand what you observe.

Now on the other hand, I am open to being wrong. I just don't think I am. We will let the numbers decide.

Expectations are part of science. It’s usually why we attempt things. To prove the concept or idea. As long as your methods or findings aren’t selective or influenced by your expectations that’s normal.

 

[thebranchman]

Nah at the end of the day I had a moment of clarity and and inner voice that said "Dude, WTF are you doing?" So I didn't turn my g/room upside down.
I wasn't the first and doubt I'll be the last to try a Topsy Turvy grow though. I found some other grower pics online that show what I tried to describe by them taking a U turn to grow upwards

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I see I see, still that's funny though. It would be interesting to see if it can be grown upside down but I guess the main issue would be water dripping on the lights. Definitely a no go

 

[thebranchman]

There are a few things I did there. But yes the idea is to grow my own.

Super interested into that stuff, I bet everyone here would love a thread on growing your own colonies of bacteria

 

[Garbage_bear]

dafuqe di I just watch? lol. That was some bitchn' video editing

 

[Zen_seeker]

Ok so I'm going thru a lot of my old youtube videos and finding some oldies but goodies. Some are missing though and I guess maybe deleted by youtube or censored in some way.
Some of this stuff is really out there. Like the time I built a clone machine out of a R2D2 store display cooler. The best part is that it worked very well. Enjoy

I like Star Trek and Star Wars etc. But I was never a collector or into the “stuff”. (Yes, a working light saber would be cool...look-a-likes not so much after 16.)

But that looks like it was a fun and useful repurpose. Bet you could find a nerdy grower on eBay who’d buy it.

Either way nicely done.

 

[Zen_seeker]

My wife asked me last weekend why I came to these forums? I grew fine before I came but now I’m having issues and things go wrong a lot more.

I used to joke that I might have more problems but at least I know WHY now.

But growing is easy, really. Any of us could grow a plant to flower with reasonable success in soil without knowing more than how a plant grows. But keeping it alive and healthy isn’t the same.

I’ve had to learn how to do better and then learn to apply it. I learn of the method, how, or why on places like this. I see results to ideas and thoughts I’ve had that save me time/effort. And in the end I gain a faster and more experienced grow because of what I read, share, and follow here on forums.

I find extra value in this forum if only because we listen here first rather than criticize and attack what’s different. At worst I think you’d be left alone. And that’s okay too.

 

[Bandit420]

dafuqe di I just watch? lol. That was some bitchn' video editing

I was going thru a Ken Burns on mushrooms phase in my days of making videos

 

[moe.red]

I find extra value in this forum if only because we listen here first rather than criticize and attack what’s different.

I very much dislike the keyboard cowboy mentality. It tends to come from those that need more time to evolve.

You can disagree without being a jackwagon. Sometimes you find, if you listen, you weren't actually disagreeing in the first place.

This is not some kumbaya BS, I just have zero interest in drama and online shit tossing. Some folks love it. Doesn't go well here.

 

[moe.red]

What is RDWC?

It is the proper way to grow weed.

J/k, basically it is one or more pots that make up grow sites which is plumbed to a central pot called the reservoir or res. Pump(s) circulate the water from the res to the plant sites and it flows back via gravity.

It requires parts and plumbing up front, but the benefits are higher level of control, faster problem fixing, and higher yields if done correctly.

The roots dangle in the water, which if properly oxygenated, is an incredibly healthy environment for roots.

Since this is "unnatural" the question is can it possibly be as good in terms of quality (smell, taste, etc) as organic soil? Could an expert pot smoker pick out the difference? I would like to know that answer.

 

[smoke]

It is the proper way to grow weed.

J/k, basically it is one or more pots that make up grow sites which is plumbed to a central pot called the reservoir or res. Pump(s) circulate the water from the res to the plant sites and it flows back via gravity.

It requires parts and plumbing up front, but the benefits are higher level of control, faster problem fixing, and higher yields if done correctly.

The roots dangle in the water, which if properly oxygenated, is an incredibly healthy environment for roots.

Since this is "unnatural" the question is can it possibly be as good in terms of quality (smell, taste, etc) as organic soil? Could an expert pot smoker pick out the difference? I would like to know

 

[smoke]

My room RDWC

 

[Bandit420]

RDWC? In some countries that acronym is PITA.
Sorry, couldn't resist throwing a little shade at the hydronaughts in the room

 

[moe.red]

RDWC? In some countries that acronym is PITA.
Sorry, couldn't resist throwing a little shade at the hydronaughts in the room

Maybe you need to get in on this grow off of sorts?

 

[Bandit420]

Maybe you need to get in on this grow off of sorts?

Grow off? What is it?

 

[moe.red]

Grow off? What is it?

I am growing side by side soil and hydro from clones and @CannaGranny and her 2 judge friends are gonna pick a winner. Wish you were in Missouri you could be a grower or a judge.

 

[Bandit420]

I am growing side by side soil and hydro from clones and @CannaGranny and her 2 judge friends are gonna pick a winner. Wish you were in Missouri you could be a grower or a judge.

Ah I see. How about make it forum wide contest and have teams? Growers from all over the country starting a grow at once and all compiled in a single grow diary. Teams made up of noobs and vets in both hydro and soil. Team H2O vs Team Dirt. Vets can help noobs along divulging experience to elevate their game. 1 plant entry from each team member for the comp and no switcheroos. Weekly photo updates mandatory. A plant dies or isn't ready for harvest 110 days after the start date, that grower is dq'ed. Start from seed or clone.

 

[moe.red]

Ah I see. How about make it forum wide contest and have teams? Growers from all over the country starting a grow at once and all compiled in a single grow diary. Teams made up of noobs and vets in both hydro and soil. Team H2O vs Team Dirt. Vets can help noobs along divulging experience to elevate their game. 1 plant entry from each team member for the comp and no switcheroos. Weekly photo updates mandatory. A plant dies or isn't ready for harvest 110 days after the start date, that grower is dq'ed. Start from seed or clone.

Ok when I get to a pc i will set that contest up too.

I’m sure @CannaGranny would want in on this representing Missouri in soil. I’ll take on a trainee if anyone wants to try hydro.

I think this is the perfect application for tissue culture for common genetics. I’m sure I could come up with something on that front.

This could be pretty fucking fun.

 

[thebranchman]

Could an expert pot smoker pick out the difference? I would like to know that answer.

Someone whos only smoked? I'd think probably not, but an experienced grower would be able to have some guesses I think

Ah I see. How about make it forum wide contest and have teams?

I would love to see a battle of the titans grow off.. maybe eventually even a tournament style competition with a bunch of entries

 

[thebranchman]

This is my home made setup for rdwc at the moment, current culture bulkheads working how they should be. 6 plant site, 7 bucket setup, on a wooden dolly I made. I think I may have put the buckets too close, maybe 4 or 6 more inches between would be nice, but that's what the experiment is for. The current plants are the first set im bringing to maturity with the intention to smoke some but still messing around. Theyre autoflower mutts from someone i met at a show. Im using 6 hlg 288 rspec boards over 4 plants. 24/7 light, for about 6-8 weeks they were great until flower. Before their switch to flower they were gorgeous but definitely pushing the limit, now they're getting more upset. During veg their ph would raise but now during flower it drops much faster than it would raise in veg. Lots of stuff im looking to incorporate and then change the nutrient regiment for, but I've been interested in 24/7 of light on autos for years and I want to run some tests on em. They were at 100% intensity for most of the grow. A bunch of people told me before I started this grow that it's not possible, that the plants would die. I believe if the rest of the environment is good, and everything is there in the rootzone, combined with some good foliar, that they should produce better a quality and weight yield. I don't believe that plants neccesarily need a rest period if they have in abundance of everything they'd need to stay in balance with the high dli. At least with the quality of technology at the consumer level that's readily available, I think everything can be dialed in for 24/7 operation. This is my opinion at the moment and It'll take awhile of testing and nailing down variables to change my working hypothesis. These plants are sitting in almost just raw salts, I have hydroguard and some rapid root in there as well. I've got a bit of root rot too I think it's a combination of the plants being tired and I'm manually topping off the water levels. Probably not enough of the bood bacteria in there as well. On the biggest bushy plant, up until about 3 weeks ago now it had nice messy noodley stiff white roots now they're a bit discolored and drooping. The same with the roots from the rest of the plants as well but they didn't look as nice as the biggest plant, it filled up the bucket almost. That's also when flower really kicked in for that one though. For the one that's the most crispy and hating life, I had that one where the big bushy one is now. There are 3 lights on each side, so yes that means one side is getting 3 lights on one plant. It's interesting to see the reaction in the leaf. I wish I had access to tissue analysis equipment and other testing things. Anyways the big crispy one in the middle of those two was on the other side with 3 lights until this week I just moved her over to the other side where she gets one. The big bushy plant almost immediately started showed the same reddish discoloration under the 3 leds. With my ph dropping all the time I think the plants getting mag and potassium locked out? Maybe phosphorus? I've heard that leds make the plants want more mag than usual so maybe this is my sign to use some Epsom in flower under the high dli. The end goal for this set of experiments right now is to see how high I can get my dli without horrendously disfiguring my ladies after I get all the goodies in the rootzone.

 

[thebranchman]

Same plant, the big bushy one, right under the lights then a lower branch

 

[thebranchman]

I know she's burnt and the pictures over exposed, but all these seeds were started around March 7th on the same day. I'm pretty alright with this amateur swing at these autos but I am sad that these seeds are such different phenos. For my first ever grow I did a half intensity grow with general hydro nutes, and let one male stay in the room with 5 females and pollenated the shit out of them. I got about 5k beans from em, each plant bagged separately. I believe that pheno that's doing the best is the most Strawberry cheesecake by seedman, the original parents that had the pollen chucked were (Strawberry cheesecake auto × stiches stardust auto) x sour star. Not sure on that breeder at the moment. So now these ones are those, what they call "frostberry", bred back together.