Stoney grows Honey Fried Bananas in RDWC SCROG

[Stoneyluv]

Sad to hear u r having to start over again, but at least u got the curling issue figured out

it happens.. if it wasn't meant to be then it wasn't meant to be i guess!! i'm still not confident airing the room out is fixing it.. there might be residue or something maybe from all the bug sprays and bombs and maybe could be causing it?? idk... last night i racking my brain again as the plants continue to burn the third set of new leaves like clockwork in both soil and hydro. it's for sure in the cabinet itself somehow.. maybe on the panda film or in the wood fibers?? i just don't know. last nght i could feel a film on the plastic that is not clean. so when i fill the system with hot bleach i'm going to scrub the walls and floor and celling with a scrub mop.

i'll also leave the doors open for a couple days with a fan in front.

i want to move the soil plants to anther area and see if they get better. i'm 99% sure its something with the cabinet itself.

Can u remind me of ur hydro setup?

it's a DIY waterfall setup, i used a 27 gallon tote and connected two five gallon buckets with a 3" recirc pipe and 1" pump lines. the system holds about 25 gallons

Also, u r messing around w arduino to automate the system?

i sure am!! man Moe opened up a whole new world to me with this stuff!!! can't wait to learn more!!!!!

I'm really curious about that as I want to use my raspberry pi5 to help w that on my own system, mainly to have a cheaper version of checking the ph, ppm, and temp on a real, constant time. Or do you think getting a guardian is just as good or even possibly cheaper?

to just monitor the numbers it can be done fairly simple. the code it already out there and can be copied. the sensors are the real cost. but to monitor ppm, temp, and ph it can be done for about $200 along with some creativity and a 3d printer to help with brackets and housings.

i didn't but the EC sensor yet, that one is almost $100.. but right now i can see temp and ph live and accurate.

honestly i don't check my ec much anyway on a daily basis.

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i haven't gotten into python yet would really like to down the road. i made a cannatrol style drying box and want to get better control and have it all touch screen so Pi will be the answer there. but for now i'm still learning arduino.

 

[Stoneyluv]

i scrubbed the walls and floor with hot soapy water a few times and got everything the best i could. still feels grimy to the touch though so idfk???
google said not to use bleach or ammonia for washing pesticides from walls so i used dish soap. if anything, it smells really clean!!!!

i really am just grabbing at straws here and have no clue as to what i'm doing or if what i'm doing is even helping.. i've been willing to try anything for months now and nothing seems to work. when people much smarter than me can't figure it out it really bums me out to how am i supposed to solve it. i truly believe my only next step is destruction if this doesn't work.

when i went to take the soil plants out i fuckin spilled all three plants and made a huge mess.. i doubt they'll make it but i don't think they were gonna make it even before that. i stuck them in the empty hydro site and dumped the old coco back on top. i still have the hydro plant to test with.

so i took the heat out and put a big fan in front of the cabinet i will leave it like this till it either stops burning or dies.. if it doesn't make it, i've decided i'm not going to just jump in and start over again. no reason to just fail over and over. not sure what i'll do at this point. really need to weigh out my options.

 

[doublej]

i scrubbed the walls and floor with hot soapy water a few times and got everything the best i could. still feels grimy to the touch though so idfk???
google said not to use bleach or ammonia for washing pesticides from walls so i used dish soap. if anything, it smells really clean!!!!

i really am just grabbing at straws here and have no clue as to what i'm doing or if what i'm doing is even helping.. i've been willing to try anything for months now and nothing seems to work. when people much smarter than me can't figure it out it really bums me out to how am i supposed to solve it. i truly believe my only next step is destruction if this doesn't work.

when i went to take the soil plants out i fuckin spilled all three plants and made a huge mess.. i doubt they'll make it but i don't think they were gonna make it even before that. i stuck them in the empty hydro site and dumped the old coco back on top. i still have the hydro plant to test with.

so i took the heat out and put a big fan in front of the cabinet i will leave it like this till it either stops burning or dies.. if it doesn't make it, i've decided i'm not going to just jump in and start over again. no reason to just fail over and over. not sure what i'll do at this point. really need to weigh out my options.

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How about " kills" primer? And just coat the hole place?

 

[Stoneyluv]

How about " kills" primer? And just coat the hole place?

that does sound like an option.. i'll have to price it out, it would be four sheets of luan and maybe a dozed 2x2's to rebuild. i bet primer or sealing paint would be cheaper.

i do like the idea of not having panda film or mylar in there..

 

[Stoneyluv]

How about " kills" primer? And just coat the hole place?

ya know years ago i bought a gallon of this and never used it, do you think this could work to seal it off?

 

[BlueCollarBob]

ya know years ago i bought a gallon of this and never used it, do you think this could work to seal it off?

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I'd say you're fucked, unless you happen to own a 3D printer and can print your own paint mixers. If that's the case for you, I'll bet you're good to go.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

I can remember shellac being used to seal off water stains and mildew, before Kilz made the scene. Then just paint over the shellac. That primer doesn't even look like it's been opened. I'll bet a good stir gets it ready to roll/brush on.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I'd say you're fucked, unless you happen to own a 3D printer and can print your own paint mixers. If that's the case for you, I'll bet you're good to go.

well good thing that ain't broken at the moment!!! printing a mixer right now!!! hehe

https://imgur.com/a/GZIqbSU

I can remember shellac being used to seal off water stains and mildew, before Kilz made the scene. Then just paint over the shellac. That primer doesn't even look like it's been opened. I'll bet a good stir gets it ready to roll/brush on.

i saw the kilz brand then i remembered i bought that gallon at lowes a couple years ago, maybe four at the most, never been opened so no oxygen got to it yet. i bought it for another project and never used it, so it wouldn't go to waste if i used it for this.

might be worth the work. i have all the rollers and stuff so i wouldn't have to spend any money, just my time.

 

[doublej]

ya know years ago i bought a gallon of this and never used it, do you think this could work to seal it off?

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Bingo buddy...really good covering spaces...I have in a spray can 2...

 

[doublej]

well good thing that ain't broken at the moment!!! printing a mixer right now!!! hehe

https://imgur.com/a/GZIqbSU

i saw the kilz brand then i remembered i bought that gallon at lowes a couple years ago, maybe four at the most, never been opened so no oxygen got to it yet. i bought it for another project and never used it, so it wouldn't go to waste if i used it for this.

might be worth the work. i have all the rollers and stuff so i wouldn't have to spend any money, just my time.

I'd get more buddy if it's as big a deal as you say, another 30-40 bucks isn't gonna hurt yeah, as a matter a fack couple coats of that ...id grow in it, if that means anything...do it bud thank me later

 

[Stoneyluv]

I'd get more buddy if it's as big a deal as you say, another 30-40 bucks isn't gonna hurt yeah, as a matter a fack couple coats of that ...id grow in it, if that means anything...do it bud thank me later

yeah i figured it would take three or four coats easy... that wood is old and dry, it will probably suck it right up!!!

i have a gallon, that should be enough right? i don't do indoor painting ever, no clue how much is needed. i'm sure the label has some sort of square footage but i don't read!! hahaha

lay it on thick right? i mean i'm not trying to win a beauty contest here..

 

[doublej]

yeah i figured it would take three or four coats easy... that wood is old and dry, it will probably suck it right up!!!

i have a gallon, that should be enough right? i don't do indoor painting ever, no clue how much is needed. i'm sure the label has some sort of square footage but i don't read!! hahaha

lay it on thick right? i mean i'm not trying to win a beauty contest here..

Can't spell lmao

Let it dry out man good beforehand get nice and warm man it's what I'd do. Let a coat dry in the wood. Then lay that shit over and over, it will be a while before anything get in...get a roller...I can't see it from here man...it don't matter bro

 

[Stoneyluv]

Can't spell lmao

Let it dry out man good beforehand get nice and warm man it's what I'd do. Let a coat dry in the wood. Then lay that shit over and over, it will be a while before anything get in...get a roller...I can't see it from here man...it don't matter bro

i always call directions the manufacturers suggestions! haha

but i follow ya.. thin to win, let dry between coats.

i have all the stuff already, pans, rollers, sponges.. my buddy has one of those house sprayers he said i could use anytime i want, he said ya gotta thin it out a lot though and i don't want to do that. i'll put it on by hand.

almost done with the mixer!!!

https://imgur.com/a/r2JWWf6

and well yeah if i never take pics nobody can see it.. i joke with that all the time with my clients, they ask "will it look good" i say idk i can't see it from my house!! hahahaha

 

[Zen_seeker]

ya know years ago i bought a gallon of this and never used it, do you think this could work to seal it off?

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I use that around windows and in kitchens/bathrooms. Works for us.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I use that around windows and in kitchens/bathrooms. Works for us.

i don't much about house stuff honestly. only when something here breaks and i need to fix it, thats when i learn!! haha been so long since build that materials change and i forget stuff!!

so i only really know car stuff when it comes to paint and primer. in auto you can't let primer exposed, it absorbs moisture. i know some fools spray primer and drive it around "thinking" its okay, but it's not they're dumb!

and i try not to be dumb when i can help it so i gotta ask, can i leave just the primer exposed on the wood in my grow cabinet? or should i really put a protective top coat over it?

 

[doublej]

Hey buddy, it's gonna dry like any paint/primer would. In your case I'd probably get some enamel type top coat i think kills brand makes a hole line of different types. If it were me I'd find a good kitchen/bathroom type.
Depends on how much $$... do it yearly or every 5yr...that paint i used on my risers for my Stairs was 30 bucks a pint! FFFFFFF......but nothing sticking to it! She said dirt just wipes off...Depends bud you certainly don't want that bill. You're probably fine with a good enamel

I slept at the holidays end..

 

[Stoneyluv]

do it yearly or every 5yr

ahhh no, this is a once and done deal!!!

You're probably fine with a good enamel

do i need it?

I slept at the holidays end..

yeah, and i'm an astronaut!!! haha

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all four plants lived through the night so the test continues..

 

[doublej]

ahhh no, this is a once and done deal!!!



do i need it?



yeah, and i'm an astronaut!!! haha

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all four plants lived through the night so the test continues..

Idk bud..kinda a jugement call , if high rh% is consistent i probably would if I wanted to to be one and done. Or couple gals of the kills should be fine
If you think the cabs the cause I'd seal that wood is all.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Idk bud..kinda a jugement call , if high rh% is consistent i probably would if I wanted to to be one and done. Or couple gals of the kills should be fine
If you think the cabs the cause I'd seal that wood is all.

i understand what your saying.

for now the doors are open and other than it being a little cooler in there than it was it seems to be fine. if this problem just goes away from leaving the doors open then i'll worry about it. till then i'm in watch mode and will continue to monitor.

one thing i have going for me is the heater ain't using any power!!!! i'm about to turn on my 400w koi pond pump for the summer so that will balance that out!

if this does work and "it" goes away then there's one free solution, just rip the doors off!!!

 

[doublej]

i understand what your saying.

for now the doors are open and other than it being a little cooler in there than it was it seems to be fine. if this problem just goes away from leaving the doors open then i'll worry about it. till then i'm in watch mode and will continue to monitor.

one thing i have going for me is the heater ain't using any power!!!! i'm about to turn on my 400w koi pond pump for the summer so that will balance that out!

if this does work and "it" goes away then there's one free solution, just rip the doors off!!!

How long have you had that cab? Been a bit eh?

 

[Zen_seeker]

i don't much about house stuff honestly. only when something here breaks and i need to fix it, thats when i learn!! haha been so long since build that materials change and i forget stuff!!

That’s how we did it before internet. That and family…assigning you chores without direction.

so i only really know car stuff when it comes to paint and primer. in auto you can't let primer exposed, it absorbs moisture. i know some fools spray primer and drive it around "thinking" its okay, but it's not they're dumb!

As soon as scopes came in and electronic tools that cost $$$ I we t back to oil changes and plugs.

and i try not to be dumb when i can help it so i gotta ask, can i leave just the primer exposed on the wood in my grow cabinet? or should i really put a protective top coat over it?

Primer is different. You need a top coat. It would take years, probably, but eventually it will change colour. IIRC kind of a coffee with lots of cream. Think I have a section of wall like that myself.

 

[Zen_seeker]

ahhh no, this is a once and done deal!!!



do i need it?



yeah, and i'm an astronaut!!! haha

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all four plants lived through the night so the test continues..

Primer after years turned. Used to match. Paints might be better, this was about a decade ago.

 

[Stoneyluv]

How long have you had that cab? Been a bit eh?

a good fifteen years now. hundreds of alien rock candy clones!!! hahaha

That’s how we did it before internet. That and family…assigning you chores without direction.


As soon as scopes came in and electronic tools that cost $$$ I we t back to oil changes and plugs.


Primer is different. You need a top coat. It would take years, probably, but eventually it will change colour. IIRC kind of a coffee with lots of cream. Think I have a section of wall like that myself.

i understand, just not willing to accept it yet in my head!!! i know whats right and what i should do!

about $150 in lumber to rebuild so coating would be the cheaper the route.

just might borrow my buddies sprayer after all...

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so here's where i'm at right now today....



can't believe this one is still alive after two days!!!



and these two might now, but i figured if i could rescue even these two then i must have my shit dialed in!!! mostly just cause i can never throw a plant away!!!



and then there is my control plant...



i'm watching the newest leaves right here...



if they do this, the problem still exists...



and if they don't then i need to maybe close the doors and test more, if it acts up after that then i need to decide to paint or rebuild. i feel i'm the closest i've ever been.

i got the splashing way down and believe i have a good handle on this part...



and the ph has been rock steady for longer than i can count days.. and the roots are staying ghost white..



so that one set of leaves is all i'm concentrating on right now....

 

[BlueCollarBob]

I don't even know if this is true with modern paints, but I always prefer gloss finish in bathrooms or kitchens. Anywhere that can get wet or is more likely to need wiped down. In your shoes, I'd probably want to put a coat of gloss over that primer, just so it would be easier to wipe down with peroxide or whatever. My wife can't stand gloss finish, but in my head it's the practical answer for this type of application. That said, it shouldn't take much to cover that primer and I don't think you'd need to go high end for something like this.

I don't know if all that's right, but in my head gloss is better for wet areas or where a wall will need to be wiped down more frequently than a living room or bedroom, unless a black light makes your bedroom walls look like a snowstorm in your high beams. In that case, go gloss in the dungeon bedroom, too.

 

[Stoneyluv]

i understand, that makes sense. i think i might even have something here that i don't have to buy. i know i have gloss black here!!! hehe

go gloss in the dungeon bedroom, too.

no worries there, our s&m room is padded velvet.

 

[BlueCollarBob]

i understand, that makes sense. i think i might even have something here that i don't have to buy. i know i have gloss black here!!! hehe



no worries there, our s&m room is padded velvet.

Oh, my! The Velvet Underground used to be one of my favorite bands. Not sure i can listen to them the same way ever again.

I sense the edibles have me letting too much of my true self out into the world, lol. Speaking of which, I had extremely delayed effects on Sunday. It still doesn't seem possible. I'm almost afraid to try them again unless I truly have plenty of free time. I thought they were duds and went about my day. Around 5 hours later and an hour from home... Whamo! I usually feel effects off edibles 50mins-90mins after eating them. I tried to tell myself they were duds and I just had some kind of odd bug, or something, but I was high af, lol. Seemed that way. I don't know. I've never had that much delay. Had to be something else.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I don't even know if this is true with modern paints, but I always prefer gloss finish in bathrooms or kitchens. Anywhere that can get wet or is more likely to need wiped down. In your shoes, I'd probably want to put a coat of gloss over that primer, just so it would be easier to wipe down with peroxide or whatever. My wife can't stand gloss finish, but in my head it's the practical answer for this type of application. That said, it shouldn't take much to cover that primer and I don't think you'd need to go high end for something like this.

I don't know if all that's right, but in my head gloss is better for wet areas or where a wall will need to be wiped down more frequently than a living room or bedroom, unless a black light makes your bedroom walls look like a snowstorm in your high beams. In that case, go gloss in the dungeon bedroom, too.

We do semi gloss. Same idea. Plus we had young kids at the time. Easier to wipe up.

 

[Zen_seeker]

i understand, that makes sense. i think i might even have something here that i don't have to buy. i know i have gloss black here!!! hehe



no worries there, our s&m room is padded velvet.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Oh, my! The Velvet Underground used to be one of my favorite bands. Not sure i can listen to them the same way ever again.

I sense the edibles have me letting too much of my true self out into the world, lol. Speaking of which, I had extremely delayed effects on Sunday. It still doesn't seem possible. I'm almost afraid to try them again unless I truly have plenty of free time. I thought they were duds and went about my day. Around 5 hours later and an hour from home... Whamo! I usually feel effects off edibles 50mins-90mins after eating them. I tried to tell myself they were duds and I just had some kind of odd bug, or something, but I was high af, lol. Seemed that way. I don't know. I've never had that much delay. Had to be something else.

i have a friend that this happen to... he won't eat any edibles unless he has off two days in a row!!!

must be creeper weed!!! hahahaha

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ahhhh but you guys don't know if i'm joking or not...

 

[Stoneyluv]

day two, no change... no curl...

 

[Stoneyluv]

day three of fresh air...




...i quit!

sorry guys this thread is over.

 

[Stoneyluv]

so i'm not allowed to quit.. it;s not part of my DNA and my brain won't let me no matter how much i want to.

to me the signs are something i would see from high temp or rh swings. i now remember i saw this one other time.. when i was dampening off my seedlings that time. and this problem started my second round, not my first. another change i made between rounds was the coco and also made the netcups smaller.

saturday night i closed the doors and put that fan away and sunday it didn't get any worse, just stayed the same.. so i dumped out all the coco and put hydroten back in. that coco was fully saturated and soaked worse than before i made the changes. i already have a new root popping out of the clay so maybe she's happier...

apparently i can't seem to beat this bubble popping and splashing so maybe i just need to go back to the bigger netcups and clay. the ph was diving slightly again so i completely turned off the air in my rez and its back to stable again. i know a few of you guys don't run air in your rez's so i ain't even gonna worry about it, whatever the system wants i'll do, and the hell with textbooks!

day five since test...





last night i dropped a couple tester seeds.. not ready to start the next round yet but some bag seeds to see if the clay makes a difference for me. plus a bigger netcup will help keep the center less wet. (my theory only!!)

 

[steamroller]

I knew you didn't quit.
You were just attention seeking.
Next time just ask if you need a man hug~!

 

[Stoneyluv]

I knew you didn't quit.
You were just attention seeking.
Next time just ask if you need a man hug~!

i need more than a hug... what i need is good swift kick in the a$$!!!!!

 

[Stoneyluv]

testing, testing, one, two..

the victims, i mean the test subjects...






i drained the system, put in hot bleach water and let it pump for a while then i went in there with a toilet brush and went to town. scrubbed it really well then i drained and used a shop vac to get the sludge, there was quite a bit.. then i went over it with the white rag test and then added some water and then flushed again.

i then filled the system with the above ^ recipe. i gave it a couple days before i added the bennies in case there were any traces of bleach left. this was all advised by Moe so i feel i have it cleaner than ever right now.

so if everything works and this solves my woes then i will put these plants outside and start over with good genetics and give it a go. but for now i just wanna make sure i can beat the curls n burns!!!

 

[Stoneyluv]

it's looking like this plant will make it after all!! i mean check out these straight edge leaves!!!!! her color, vigor, it all came back!!




i have another couple weeks till it's safe to put anything outside but all four of these plants in the cabinet will be going outside and will get the best sun spot on my property!



even the babies are going outside... i'm very confident my issue all this time was dampening off.. my system just can't handle coco. if i had bigger rectangle plant sites i would have a better chance but my small five gallon buckets aren't spacious enough to work with coco. there is too much mist inside and saturates it way too much. and to compound that i was using rapid rooters this time and the rooter/coco mix was just deadly for me. when i pulled the plant out of the coco this is how saturated the rapid rooter was...

https://imgur.com/a/cb5FH50

i'm going to move forward with a serious run and just try to grow A to B and keep it simple and down the middle, i'm not going to aim for top performance but just a healthy happy grow. i feel i'm ready and have learned so much over the past few months and i want to make this hydro work!!!

so i decided to start some new seeds already since the water has been spot on and the ph has been very steady i'm just gonna start over now and not wait a month..



Redbeards The Shine ^^

 

[Zen_seeker]

Glad you got a handle on things. Trouble shooting deficiencies sucks.

I used the Jiffy peat pucks in my seedling trays this time round for my veggies. Between the cold and watering via the tray I killed the English Cucumber. Dampening off.
Before starting over I waited until they dried out and then started watering from the top with a spray bottle. Much better. Took a week but now I have 6 more seedlings up and 8 pending. I’m sure if I had waited until warmer things would have gone better. Just impatient to get things started.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Glad you got a handle on things. Trouble shooting deficiencies sucks.

I used the Jiffy peat pucks in my seedling trays this time round for my veggies. Between the cold and watering via the tray I killed the English Cucumber. Dampening off.
Before starting over I waited until they dried out and then started watering from the top with a spray bottle. Much better. Took a week but now I have 6 more seedlings up and 8 pending. I’m sure if I had waited until warmer things would have gone better. Just impatient to get things started.

i kinda feel dumb about it all man. i wanted those killer roots Moe shows me and it took me the path of the coco not investigating if i was even ready for that. it wasn't till like a week ago when i was talking to Moe about something and he said no, my coco isn't like that.. i just assumed his was like that too and nothing was wrong with mine.

so if i would just go back to post one of this thread and undo all the new changes i should be good... so thats what i did. dropped back ten and punted!!! put everything back to the way it was when i started.

and check this out i switched to coco to get better root branching.. well here is my new test seedling after just seven days... looks like i don't even have an issue with root branching!!!!



so after seven days they look fine and i will still put them outside. these two are Grape Punch from GPS. it was the only two i had left in the pack, no other reason than that is why i chose them.



but all test looks good and i am ready for success this time!!!

The Shine are up and i will probably put them in tomorrow!!! gonna start a new thread for it too... this one is so jumbled up... from post one to post 475 is what not to do when trying a DIY RDWC!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zen_seeker]

Don’t know why you’d feel dumb? Anything you did an obvious error, without hindsight? Then don’t sweat it. No one here is going to point and laugh…for long.

I got overwhelmed with doing the KNF while doing a grow, garden and dealing with the city. Mistakes happen. Sometimes new opportunities come out of it. I was able to use some of the soil I made to add to each crate today. I’m hoping I can use some of the other nutrients too.

Always enjoy your threads man. Learn a few things and usually entertaining.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Don’t know why you’d feel dumb? Anything you did an obvious error, without hindsight? Then don’t sweat it. No one here is going to point and laugh…for long.

I got overwhelmed with doing the KNF while doing a grow, garden and dealing with the city. Mistakes happen. Sometimes new opportunities come out of it. I was able to use some of the soil I made to add to each crate today. I’m hoping I can use some of the other nutrients too.

Always enjoy your threads man. Learn a few things and usually entertaining.

well if i take the money out of it than sure it was just a big "duh" and no biggie, i mean the plant loss sucks too but two of them were to mites, thats what really hosed everything up, the bugs!!!! after that my error caused the loss of three plants. and one of those was a mutant... unless damping off can cause a plant to mutate then that one is on me too..

but man the money i wasted... whew.. we won't even ball park that heap!! i'm gonna smoke as much as i can to forget all about that part. but it's not wasted really. i mean i still have the stuff, just can't use it at the moment. makes good gifts!! haha

something else that tripped me up was the soil moisture meter i stuck in the coco and it looked right on the money not too wet or too dry.. it was wrong and i believed it.

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something i recently learned though since going back to the bigger 6" netcups and the clay, is that combo allows for nice radiant heat retention from the lights and is more comforting to the seedlings. my laser therm was six degrees warmer!!!

and tonight i took those grape punch seedlings out and put them in soil, the roots inside the cups throughout the clay was awesome looking, some of the nicest i've grown yet!! so when i put the new seedlings in i put a little thicker layer of clay in bottom to encourage this even more. might take a little longer to make their way out but i'm hoping for more uniformity with it.

so seedlings are in and 5/9/25 marks day 1 week 1. i changed nothing and have not had to make a ph adjustment yet so eight days with rock steady numbers and i feel i'm really setting myself up for success at this point. as long as i don't fuck it up! haha

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also got my ph monitor all set up and ready to go, just printing the last bracket i need to hold the temp sensor and i'll be good to go. it's all wired, just has to be mounted and plugged in!!!