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210-420 regular solo cups in a 5x5....no idea how many of these I could throw in there lol
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Stoney's Candylicious Hydro scrog
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Actually I try to keep mine away from the edges you will see why as we go through the process. I mainly wanted to show you the tables. I have 4x4” openings and I used wire. You need something strong enough to hold the limbs down. Trellis netting will not work. While you often see trellis netting atop of my scrog, its only job is to hold big heavy buds up. When my buds hit 9-10” tall after tabling I add the trellis net above the table top.oh hell yeah Granny i want that^^^ help me make that for sure!!!!!!!
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in all seriousness though,
i won't be able to have the exact same layout as that because of where my buckets are positioned. i understand them being near the edges of the screen like in that photo is probably the best situation. i will have to settle for less than best as my two buckets will be closer to the middle of the screen.
good news is i can put the screen anywhere we want. the cabinet has 16" center studs and the left wall is all plywood and i can mount it any height we choose and at any time we choose.
what size openings do you suggest for the screen? and it is to be made of stiff wire with no flex, correct?
question for ya, because you probably know better than i.. if you fill a jug with water and measure the o2 level, and let that jug sit for two days and measure it again, is there a significant drop in o2? more than say 20%?
just curios because i've always wondered but never had the equipment to find out.
and i do agree with you on your explanation of dry back, the reason an airpot grows roots so well is because it gets o2 from the air pruning along with the moisture from the soil. the air pruning in turn forces the roots to grow laterally creating a much bigger surface area of active roots similar to the results you get with the coco.
the major difference i;ve seen so far is the speed of which it does that... and the ph of coarse, that really is only difference i notice is ph.. one makes my hands a little dirty, one a little cleaner.. hydro does in fact veg much faster BUT in the world of no-veg soil it doesn't matter as much, it's more about growing flowers.
Moe, right now i am using those 6" netcups because it was cheap and easy to get. what size do you suggest? you said you use 3.5? if i stuck with wat you use than the prints would be 1:1 scale and would already be tried and true... then i just have to pay the patent fee!!!!!
just think how many thousands of those you could grow at once man??? would be totally epic!!!!
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i have some 2x2's laying on my garage floor that i keep tripping over and hung on the wall above them is a roll of electric fence wire. i'll frame something out this weekend and make a screen.
it will be about 46" x 42". my light will not flower this big of a footprint. is it okay if i do not fill the screen in completely? or will that mess up the technique? i have another light that i could hang in there if absolutely needed.
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How tall are your buckets? For the tall sativas planted in a seven gallon pot my table stands 24” from the floor up. The short squat indicas my table is 18” tall. I never table until my plants are at least six to nine inches taller than my table top.
If you scrog it properly you won’t have a lot of control over how it spreads.
If you are down for it, we can trade numbers so some of this I can talk you through. If you’re not comfortable with that, that’s okay too.
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15" tall. about four inches more than my 7 gallon pots.
i believe this will be a taller girl, breeder says: Tall, open structured, long branching plants. we can pick any height we want without deciding now, if it should be an inch or two higher or lower i'll just move it there and screw it to the wall or put it on brackets in case it needs to be lifted or tilted in any way.
i can squeeze in there so stuff can be mounted up to day zero. i'm pretty good at making things so we can pimp it out country style!!!
heard! i also remember reading a rumor of a "squash" or something like that so i can't wait for that part!! hehe
understood, i'll prepare for the worst!!! i have the light, just gotta hang it and plug it in, same spectrum and all that.
absolutely!!! only if you're feeling well and up to it though!!!!! i'll post my cell..
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Where did you get that small radiator heater? I have been trying to find a small one but haven't had any luck.so easy even a caveman could do it!!!
how awesome would that be to have a tyco slot car track in there!!!!! one of the wall hugger series!!!!! that would be so badass... i still have some slot car stuff around somewhere.
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loaded and living!!!!!
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had to put the heater in, basement is around 66° right now. put the heater in and the rh fell like a stone so in went the humidifier too. water temps are holding perfect at 70, heater set to 69 but water is actually 70° .. spectrum is same as last time, light is 20 inches above the plants.
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i put them in bare naked lady style and even have a rooty root poking out already!!!!!
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I have ones like this from when my furnace had issues.
Pelonis 1,500-Watt Oil-Filled Radiant Electric Space Heater with Thermostat HO-0279 - The Home Depot
Provide warmth at your space with the help of this Unbranded OilFilled Radiant Electric Space Heater with Thermostat.
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You would be the first excited about the squash! Most of the time it makes grown men cry! Lol
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You can keep turnips too.
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Got it! I wrote inside of your quote, so I answered everything, it just in small print below your statements above..
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i got it many years ago, wasn't even bought for a grow but i want to say Lowes or maybe walmart... i looked at my online histories and don't see anything there. it's a Westinghouse 700w. i just measured it and it does in fact meet the same specs as the one Goodshit posted.
i use a separate controller plugged in but it is not necessary, the built in thermostat works pretty good on it's own, i used it without controller for long time! it's gotta be at least 15 years old now..
I have ones like this from when my furnace had issues.
Most Home Depots should have them.Pelonis 1,500-Watt Oil-Filled Radiant Electric Space Heater with Thermostat HO-0279 - The Home Depot
Provide warmth at your space with the help of this Unbranded OilFilled Radiant Electric Space Heater with Thermostat.www.homedepot.com
we have a large one like that too.. that thing throws out some killer heat! couple it with a small fan and it's pretty efficient!!
that one is the exact same dimensions as mine.
i wanna do it the right way and if thats what it takes then i'm all in!!!!!
Got it! I wrote inside of your quote, so I answered everything, it just in small print below your statements above..
sounds like a plan.. i will aim for the 24" style but with the added 4" for my buckets and just mock it up to see how it looks and like i said we can always make changes easy peezy!!!
plus i also have a 3D printer so i can make any kind of "thing a ma jiggys" if needed!!!!
i assembled a frame today and marked out all the wire placements, going to put the wire on later tonight. for some reason it didn't sound that big but once it was together i held it out flat and thought wow that's gonna be a lot of buds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it ended up being 45" x 38" i wanted a little room up front for a fan and also to be able to reach the back wall if needed.
i'll mock it all up way ahead of time so i can get your stamp of approval and be ready. and i already own a couple elastic nets from my SOG soil grows so i'm all prepared there too.
Thanks Granny, i really appreciate your help!!!!
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i really am, i like the sound of the water.. it's calming!!
once i got the numbers stable there really wasn't any more thinking or work even involved, just checked it every couple days and smiled when it was the same!!
i've been watching your grow for sure!!
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I put together a screen, hung some brackets, and set it in place..
for now i hinged it against the back wall, when it's time i can lower it down...
and i made a couple marks on the wall so i know when i get to that 6-9 inches above where the screen will sit...
if we have to call an audible on the positioning it's just a few minutes with my screw gun and i can change it no problem.
I put together a screen, hung some brackets, and set it in place..
for now i hinged it against the back wall, when it's time i can lower it down...
and i made a couple marks on the wall so i know when i get to that 6-9 inches above where the screen will sit...
if we have to call an audible on the positioning it's just a few minutes with my screw gun and i can change it no problem.
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yes sir i do. both my cabinets have them installed. they're discontinued though so i have a set of spares in the closet!
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Newer model? I think bandit has them too? I’d like to try a set in my 4x8
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we have these..pretty cheap . https://tghydroponics.com.au/products/thinkgrow-smart-light-lifter-llt-1?srsltid=AfmBOorO07PKdg4LKgWHo7XKnvIWqcUkAZmCDF_fdCyAEYRNMwkPidD
whats a good store over in the forward flushing states where I could get these stoney..what you have or similar.bugger this place lol.too dear.
. https://tghydroponics.com.au/products/thinkgrow-smart-light-lifter-llt-1?srsltid=AfmBOorO07PKdg4LKgWHo7XKnvIWqcUkAZmCDF_fdCyAEYRNMwkPidDwhats a good store over in the forward flushing states where I could get these stoney..what you have or similar.bugger this place lol.too dear.
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yea the newer ones i believe are operated via cell phone app and it's one winch for both sides of the light. i don't know anyone that tried them yet but these old ones are almost bulletproof.
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we have these..pretty cheap
holy shit batman!!!!! i can get a huge off road style winch that can pick up a house for that price!!!!
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Haha..I edited my post…when you say hydroponics here they go bling blingholy shit batman!!!!! i can get a huge off road style winch that can pick up a house for that price!!!!
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Holy shit these are pricy.
www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com
I don’t think I can justify spending thousands to not pull on some ropes
ThinkGrow LED Smart Light Lifter (LLT-1)Default Title
The LLT-1 light lifter is part of the ThinkGrow modular light lifter system. Its cutting-edge synchronized multi-lifter the operation provides users with a customizable, expandable and easy-to-install system. The lifter is ETL listed and the cable can lift up to 132 lbs, 8.8ft. Buy today!
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Holy shit these are pricy.
ThinkGrow LED Smart Light Lifter (LLT-1)Default Title
The LLT-1 light lifter is part of the ThinkGrow modular light lifter system. Its cutting-edge synchronized multi-lifter the operation provides users with a customizable, expandable and easy-to-install system. The lifter is ETL listed and the cable can lift up to 132 lbs, 8.8ft. Buy today!
I don’t think I can justify spending thousands to not pull on some ropes
yeah thats way too much... i thing the most i paid was $50 for a set, but i really like them and woundn't go without them now.. probably pay up to $300 if i had to.
it's nice to hold a remote in one hand and a light meter in the other and just press a button. i use them at least every two or three days, they don't collect dust at all.
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they survived week one...
i've been slowly raising the ph all week to try it a little higher number with the bennies 6.0 right now... i also added some organics by adding floralicious yesterday!!!
i was also thinking of tugging that shorter seedling to the same elevation as the other one... i'm gonna sleep on it though, could end up in devastation so i wanna make sure it's worth it. i think if i remove most of the clay first it will go fine.. 50/50... haha
i've been slowly raising the ph all week to try it a little higher number with the bennies 6.0 right now... i also added some organics by adding floralicious yesterday!!!
i was also thinking of tugging that shorter seedling to the same elevation as the other one... i'm gonna sleep on it though, could end up in devastation so i wanna make sure it's worth it. i think if i remove most of the clay first it will go fine.. 50/50... haha
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@LJFarming has some decent(?)winches for cheapHoly shit these are pricy.
ThinkGrow LED Smart Light Lifter (LLT-1)Default Title
The LLT-1 light lifter is part of the ThinkGrow modular light lifter system. Its cutting-edge synchronized multi-lifter the operation provides users with a customizable, expandable and easy-to-install system. The lifter is ETL listed and the cable can lift up to 132 lbs, 8.8ft. Buy today!
I don’t think I can justify spending thousands to not pull on some ropes
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they survived week one...
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i've been slowly raising the ph all week to try it a little higher number with the bennies 6.0 right now... i also added some organics by adding floralicious yesterday!!!
i was also thinking of tugging that shorter seedling to the same elevation as the other one... i'm gonna sleep on it though, could end up in devastation so i wanna make sure it's worth it. i think if i remove most of the clay first it will go fine.. 50/50... haha
If you are bumping your PH up repeatedly with Agsil, you may be getting too much Potassium for girls this little.
Putting this here to compare to tomorrow.
I'm seeing early signs of stress here. Unfortunately things move fast in hydro so you may need to act.
Let's go over your numbers again. Are you still here:
Nutrients are FloraNova series and Agsil16H as a buffer along with plant revolution Orca and King Crab>
starting solution levels are:
70 ppm of K buffer
- 70 ppm of cal/mag
- 100 ppm of Nova grow
What is the PH trend? What is the total EC right now and trend?
Can you tell me what Floranova series and which feed chart are you using?
Also it's early but any evidence of biologics in the res or roots? Got a pic?
Buddy I wouldn't worry about pulling that girl up. Hit them with some blue and far red if you want them to grow your way. But don't go up in PPFD, if any pull a touch back overall. I'm a little worried that the cotyledons are getting eaten up this early on the smaller plant. It also looks like stage .1 of tip burn to me. If it were me I would minimize all stresses possible.
Adding organics to a tuned system is usually not a great thing. It's gotta get broken down to be usable, meaning you are actively seeking other types of bacteria. And dealing with the associated waste products. You are going to want some enzymes handy and be prepped to do a water change if you don't get the colony you are looking for. Like snot on the roots and netpot.
I think from a purely scientific viewpoint adding organics is a great practice in soil, adding to hydro is only detrimental. The nutes you are using are chelated to allow direct uptake in usable form without the need for helper biologics. From a master grower's point of view, its fun stuff to play with. Does something like Sea Kelp kick up the terps? I really doubt it but I understand the urge to try shit!
We need to change your user title. Admin in training?
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assistant to the reginal manager is perfect Moe, i luv it!!! i was kinda waiting till i actually fixed something before i officially changed it
i've been using KOH, i mix potassium hydroxide with water..
adding extra was also a concern of mine and maybe raising the ph after i already raised and lowered it wasn't the best idea... live and learn and figured i'd find out.
Putting this here to compare to tomorrow.
here's today about 20 hours after that last photo.. please tell me what you're seeing or looking for at this young stage?
the root staining just showed up today from the floralicious, it washes off with clean water.
yes sir, only adding the floralicious plus raised it 20ppm so now riding right at 260ppm ph 6.0 and 71°
well not much to trend over just nine days, but the solution started at 5.5 and then you mentioned you like 6. for bennies so i added 1ml of KOH to my 25gallon system (actually it's 26 gallons when water level is up at seedling height) daily to bring it up to 6. so trend has been all up since the beginning. stress, i understand i've done this hoping it would be worth it in making the bennies be all that they can be.
I've been kinda going by the 8 part and staying just under the low feed recommendations. the only two changes i make are i don't use armor si i use agsil16 in place of it and a 2ml/gal. and i don't use Rapid start because i'm not a millionaire.
for 26 gallons i used 50ml Agsil16 - 25ml KOH then pH down under 7.0 and let sit for an hour then added 12ml calimagic - 25ml novagrow - 12ml orca - 12ml king crab at this point the pH was 5.5 at this time. then after seven days of that i added 25ml of floralicious. Gh strongly suggests adding the floralicious very last because of the small amount of organics in it. i don't think it's much at all.
as in what? like foam? i tried to take a photo of the rez bottom but the camera wasn't showing what i could see. nothing alarming at all, i felt the bottom and it was squeaky, no slime or any build up of any kind if that's what i'm looking for?
okay i won't, i'll at least wait till i go to prune then decide then. not much to really gain at this point by doing it.
i can understand that. i chose nova series for a few reasons and the small amount of organics in the floralicious are tiny, but t's what i picked so it's what i'm growing with i don't really mind the staining it brings. but i don't really have a "way" or favorite solution or nutes yet, i'm way too new at this to have any opinion on any of it so i'm just going off of pure advice and common sense. all the what and what not to do will come with time and experiments/mistakes along the way i guess. it's been a lot of fun learning though and although my timing of trying certain changes might not be the best i'm just trying to gain experience.
i'm kinda like the vice assistant to regional management of hydro as well!!!!!!
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