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[Stoneyluv]

Hypoaspis Miles

oh sweet , thanks man!! that explains why those popped up when i searched the Stratiolaelaps Scimitus. i can/will get them for sure.

 

[Stoneyluv]

ten weeks from seeds officially in the books.. i'm creeping up on topping off my rez volume in amounts. i know rules say to change out but i don't think i'll benefit from doing that in my situation because i'm kinda close to flush. wtf is a frush? (revenge of the nerds joke) i'm going to only topoff with florabloom and water with nothing else added from here on out and then a week away i'll fully drain and fill with florakleen. i really want to see how much root displacement i have!!!! kinda making bets with myself on if it's over/under five gallons.. i think over!!

not good but could be worse so i'll take it!! the left plant is further along than the right.







i can't wait to grow without pesticides!!!!! my nutes and solution strength didn't burn the leaves like that, the bug bomb did... don't think i'll be smoking any of this round but it was an awesome learning experience and i can't ait to have another shot at it!

i'll be harvesting in like three weeks then i'l do a cleaning and start the next round right away!!

 

[Zen_seeker]

I love that song

Remember him driving the rig in the movie.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Lady bugs are what you want I believe.
Big difference between flowers and shrubs and vegetables or eatable fruit.
I would read that spray label well.
Part of my failure in beating them is not being willing to use many sprays and dead set against the soaps.

What’s wrong with the soaps like Safer’s?

 

[Zen_seeker]

for real, Ukraine surplus?!?! well shit now i don't feel bad one bit for modifying it!! the other night i cannibalized an old LUX meter to make that PAR meter have a handheld sensor... even fits the canvas case!! didn't even have to modify anything on the meter, just soldered the stretchy cable in between!!

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You happen to have this LUX meter? I’ve been thinking about visiting the film studio a few blocks away and seeing if someone could tell me what a few readings are in PAR and how accurate mine is.

Not terribly important just a nice to know.

 

[Observer]

ten weeks from seeds officially in the books.. i'm creeping up on topping off my rez volume in amounts. i know rules say to change out but i don't think i'll benefit from doing that in my situation because i'm kinda close to flush. wtf is a frush? (revenge of the nerds joke) i'm going to only topoff with florabloom and water with nothing else added from here on out and then a week away i'll fully drain and fill with florakleen. i really want to see how much root displacement i have!!!! kinda making bets with myself on if it's over/under five gallons.. i think over!!

not good but could be worse so i'll take it!! the left plant is further along than the right.



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Did these reveg? / or get fucked by a lighting mishap? Some nitrogen toxicity too

nice side by side grow though.

Not trying to be an ass or anything just genuine

 

[Observer]

Glad u did this, so, going hydro now? Lol

It truly just doesn't compare to soil, it's just so much more efficient for the plant, just the way/how it works and the way soil works.

Can come somewhat close with a proper rockwool run and somewhere in the vicinity with a proper coco/inert media run.

 

[Observer]

You happen to have this LUX meter? I’ve been thinking about visiting the film studio a few blocks away and seeing if someone could tell me what a few readings are in PAR and how accurate mine is.

Not terribly important just a nice to know.
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Nice to have

I'd love to get a quantum e-par sensor from apogee.

 

[steamroller]

What’s wrong with the soaps like Safer’s?

Past memories of the taste of soap.
Not sure there is much worse.
I just can't bring myself to use it.
I would probably sacrifice/ cull a complete grow if I had to before spraying safer or any soap.
Just me?

 

[Stoneyluv]

You happen to have this LUX meter? I’ve been thinking about visiting the film studio a few blocks away and seeing if someone could tell me what a few readings are in PAR and how accurate mine is.

Not terribly important just a nice to know.
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it wasn't that fancy.. but same brand. i trashed the body when i was done but it looked like this..

Did these reveg? / or get fucked by a lighting mishap? Some nitrogen toxicity too

nice side by side grow though.

Not trying to be an ass or anything just genuine

great to see ya around again more O!!

been 18/6 the whole time, no goofs or anything. these are autos... i'm just blaming the genetics at this point with nothing else to compare to yet.
i don't think those leaf tip burns are from nutrients. i barely got above 500 ppm, i think it's from the two weeks of no pest strip and no fresh air and then i still had mites and set off a bug bomb in that little cabinet and sealed it up for a few day after. this is when the leaves started looking like that and just assumed that's what it from. i've burned plants in the past using them but in the past they worked and killed the mites. after this infestation i've learned my lesson and will never again use a pesticide on plants. predators from here on out!!

can't wait to redeem myself with this.

and no worries man i got thick skin, i'm not posting my updates to show off, i'm just showing the truth and that i haven't given up. i will always post updates good or bad, just showin the facts and mostly what not to do!!

Glad u did this, so, going hydro now? Lol

It truly just doesn't compare to soil, it's just so much more efficient for the plant, just the way/how it works and the way soil works.

Can come somewhat close with a proper rockwool run and somewhere in the vicinity with a proper coco/inert media run.

i'll keep the RDWC in place for sure and can even see myself upgrading some day. but i also haven't quit on soil either... i kinda like both for right now. the hydro had a bit more of learning curve in the beginning but once i had a few Aqua clinics it ended up being less maintenance and easier than soil. since week three it's been on cruise control and i haven't had to adjust the pH at all. i have enough nutrients for another few rounds so i'll be a part time hydro guy for at least 2025!!

I'm not all soil, not all hydro... i'm just a muddy mess!!!!

Past memories of the taste of soap.

i have just only one memory of this as a young child... and i will NEVER forget it!!!!!!

my buddy was threating his oldest for teaching his youngest a bad word.. he said do it again and i'm getting out the soap, and then follows it up with and not the new clean soap, the hairy soap from my shower!!!! problem was solved with one threat!!!

 

[Stoneyluv]

like most things good or bad must end at some point and so must this journal.

wasn't anything like i wanted it to turn out but i did get to learn a lot and it was great to get my first time hydro jitters out of the way.

i flushed for a few days and then cut some of the tops off and washed them in a peroxide bath and hung to dry. i didn't get much at all i wasn't going to keep anything at all but it smelled very good and was greasy as can be so it was against me to toss it all out.






i cleaned everything... i covered the buckets, removed the light, covered the fan and vents and set off a bug bomb!



left it muster in there for a day and half and then aired it out good and scrubbed it all down with bleach water.. wow was that water disgusting!!!!!!!! and i shampoo auto carpets on the regular!!! glad i wore gloves!!!!!

so it's drained, cleaned and refilled and ready for the next attempt!!!!



Thanks for joining along everybody and all the great advice!!!!!!! i am excited to try again and have decided to not waste any time and am getting things started this weekend.

my second hydro attempt >> https://budbuilders.org/threads/stoneys-candylicious-hydro-scrog.1136/

 

[Chemistry]

Try less air flow to stop the roots forming balls, or they tend to develop root rot in the middle due to the water being unable to flow between the roots, also use a good water enzime, I used Cannazyme in my buckets and this worked well for me, but any good enzime will work.

 

[GrumpAzz]

I forget.. did you use ANY microbes? Or was this a neither live nor sterile run?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Try less air flow to stop the roots forming balls, or they tend to develop root rot in the middle due to the water being unable to flow between the roots, also use a good water enzime, I used Cannazyme in my buckets and this worked well for me, but any good enzime will work.

a little less air huh?, thanks for tip man. i notice my current grows roots are forming to the turbulence in the bucket.. maybe this s a sign for too much air turbulence and i wasn't even aware.



i'll look into an enzyme for sure. thanks man!!!

I forget.. did you use ANY microbes? Or was this a neither live nor sterile run?

yes sir, i used orca and king crab throughout the entire time.

 

[GrumpAzz]

yes sir, i used orca and king crab throughout the entire time.

Right on. Them's Nova nutes sure stain the roots, eh?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Right on. Them's Nova nutes sure stain the roots, eh?

sure does man... mainly it's the floralicious that does it.. before i add that it's a thin light iced tea color and leaves no brown behind, as soon as i add the licious it gets icky.. adds a slight stink too!!! i actually had to bleach and scrub out my mixing barrel after about six or seven refills.

i've been struggling a bit with my solutions, not sure if something in my water changed or maybe something in the calimagic versus the humbolt calmag that's doing it but my ph has been sinking too much. i've made a test batch up just last night with less of a buffer.

i gotta give an update in my thread tonight... been a tiny bit bummed with it, just learned a couple days ago i still have mites in that cabinet! so with the crazy ph swings and mites they're not the happiest.

 

[moe.red]

ten weeks from seeds officially in the books.. i'm creeping up on topping off my rez volume in amounts. i know rules say to change out but i don't think i'll benefit from doing that in my situation because i'm kinda close to flush. wtf is a frush? (revenge of the nerds joke) i'm going to only topoff with florabloom and water with nothing else added from here on out and then a week away i'll fully drain and fill with florakleen. i really want to see how much root displacement i have!!!! kinda making bets with myself on if it's over/under five gallons.. i think over!!

not good but could be worse so i'll take it!! the left plant is further along than the right.



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i can't wait to grow without pesticides!!!!! my nutes and solution strength didn't burn the leaves like that, the bug bomb did... don't think i'll be smoking any of this round but it was an awesome learning experience and i can't ait to have another shot at it!

i'll be harvesting in like three weeks then i'l do a cleaning and start the next round right away!!

Dude I’m sorry I’ve been busy building my grow room and haven’t checked in. I gotta go back and read wtf happened? Bugs? I’ll catch up

 

[Stoneyluv]

Dude I’m sorry I’ve been busy building my grow room and haven’t checked in. I gotta go back and read wtf happened? Bugs? I’ll catch up

yeah the bugs and then my reaction to them ruined the whole grow.. my fuckups ruined the soil part and the the poison/spray/piss poor efforts on my part then screwed up the hydro plants. i did have a harvest and have smoked some.. smells amazing but i'm no good with flower so i gave a little out to two friends recently and i am waiting to hear back any day now..

i'm gonna update the candylicious thread... the plants are doing OK and i didn't screw anything up too bad yet.. been stalling them out because i know they're not right ATM...

 

[GrumpAzz]

sure does man... mainly it's the floralicious that does it.. before i add that it's a thin light iced tea color and leaves no brown behind, as soon as i add the licious it gets icky.. adds a slight stink too!!! i actually had to bleach and scrub out my mixing barrel after about six or seven refills.

i've been struggling a bit with my solutions, not sure if something in my water changed or maybe something in the calimagic versus the humbolt calmag that's doing it but my ph has been sinking too much. i've made a test batch up just last night with less of a buffer.

i gotta give an update in my thread tonight... been a tiny bit bummed with it, just learned a couple days ago i still have mites in that cabinet! so with the crazy ph swings and mites they're not the happiest.

Damn that's a bummer... even AFTER the bug bomb? Dang.

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I ping-ponged a lot with my pH during my first couple grows. Hopefully you can get it figured out. Did you maybe get a nasty bout of acid rain recently?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Damn that's a bummer... even AFTER the bug bomb? Dang.

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I ping-ponged a lot with my pH during my first couple grows. Hopefully you can get it figured out. Did you maybe get a nasty bout of acid rain recently?

yeah, bug bomb, then bleached all the walls and floors and thought i had it clean and clear but then later learned they were probably in the lumber and i think my infestation is much worse than i ever thought. this is the first time they are beating me and freaking me out a little. i'm just glad they are staying to this one cabinet.

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part of my ph issue is also self inflicted some times.. i over shoot once in awhile and have to add the other to balance out my heavy adjustment. so compound the ping ponging and then my alkalinity screw ups on top and it just makes for doh! moments!!! and then i'm off on my nute ratios with extra potassium again before i know it! i'll learn sooner or later!!! i hope! hehe

 

[GrumpAzz]

Man what a mess. I hope to never be visited by mites. I imagine it'll happen some day, maybe, but my fingers will forever be crossed

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Man I had so much trouble with my new system. I added 10-15 gallons to the total volume. That threw off my learned guesstimations. Plus... I adjust in the control bucket, as you should, but it initially mixes with that 5 gallons and is slowly taken up and distributed to the plants. My probe sits in the control bucket so it will read quite a bit high/low for a while. I'm sure there's some math involved after plenty of trials and adjustments that I can figure out a pretty close mL estimate, but I'm sometimes making those adjustments in a hurry. So it's become a dribble for a small adjustment and a dribble dribble for a larger one.

Where all that was headed... I now make my adjustments and let it set until it settles, wherever that may be.

You may have noticed already but, just in case, Down is WAY more concentrated than Up. A little goes a LONG way with the Down.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Man what a mess. I hope to never be visited by mites. I imagine it'll happen some day, maybe, but my fingers will forever be crossed

i hope ya never do... some never get them! this is my fourth or fifth time now and by far my worst and most annoying!

So it's become a dribble for a small adjustment and a dribble dribble for a larger one.

haha i know just what you're talking about!!!

Where all that was headed... I now make my adjustments and let it set until it settles, wherever that may be.

i need to force myself to do this more often. in my head i keep relating it to spray painting.. i always spray too much too fast and screw it up, i do the same with my dribbles.

You may have noticed already but, just in case, Down is WAY more concentrated than Up. A little goes a LONG way with the Down.

yeah this still throws me off now and then... i guess if i look at it the more i mess it up the more practice i get at the amounts!!!

 

[GrumpAzz]

yeah this still throws me off now and then... i guess if i look at it the more i mess it up the more practice i get at the amounts!!!

Wait til you straight up grab the wrong bottle...

You need to bring it up a bit so, normally, you'd add quite a bit of UP, but this time you grabbed the DOWN... added quite a bit... and tanked the already low pH. That's been me. A couple times now.

 

[Zen_seeker]

Wait til you straight up grab the wrong bottle...

You need to bring it up a bit so, normally, you'd add quite a bit of UP, but this time you grabbed the DOWN... added quite a bit... and tanked the already low pH. That's been me. A couple times now.

Just the other day I grabbed the wrong bottle of nutes and used it.

Wasn’t feeling well, woke up just in time for lights on. Scrambled to get the feed mix done. All the bottles are the same and in a row. Somehow just used the wrong one.

Don’t think it was a total disaster but definitely need to slow down an double check before mixing.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Wait til you straight up grab the wrong bottle...

You need to bring it up a bit so, normally, you'd add quite a bit of UP, but this time you grabbed the DOWN... added quite a bit... and tanked the already low pH. That's been me. A couple times now.

i've already ran that scenario in my head... hoping it doesn't happen but probably will at some point... so far the only thing keeping me in check is two different sized bottles so they feel different. and up goes on the top shelf and down goes on the bottom shelf!! it's still a ticking time bomb!!!

 

[moe.red]

I found some hand me downs

 

[moe.red]

Ha still works

 

[Bandit420]

yeah, bug bomb, then bleached all the walls and floors and thought i had it clean and clear but then later learned they were probably in the lumber and i think my infestation is much worse than i ever thought. this is the first time they are beating me and freaking me out a little. i'm just glad they are staying to this one cabinet.

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part of my ph issue is also self inflicted some times.. i over shoot once in awhile and have to add the other to balance out my heavy adjustment. so compound the ping ponging and then my alkalinity screw ups on top and it just makes for doh! moments!!! and then i'm off on my nute ratios with extra potassium again before i know it! i'll learn sooner or later!!! i hope! hehe

IDK if you might be dealing with a bit more of a super mite than me but what I've dealt with are ez to wipe out but they will persist if the eggs are not dealt with.

A couple days after setting off my pyrethrin bomb I followed up with Jungle Rain spraying it on both sides of the leaves.
I actually cut Jungle Rain about 75%JR and 25% with water to make it go further and new growth can be sensitive to it so I dilute it.
Spray until the plant is saturated and the JR is running off the leaves.
Let the JR dry, takes maybe an hour or so, then follow up with a spray down of clean water.

JR is a blend of oils and soap. Mainly castile soap which is pretty much olive oil, then there's vegetable oil, and citrus oils in there.
When these soaps and oils coat the eggs and dries it pretty much suffocates the eggs.
The eggs dry up and begin to break apart so a few days after the washing you'll see busted up eggs underneath infested leaves but no new mites roaming around. I use a gnarly pair of reading glasses to see this since I hate scopes and loops and 2.50 readers are like having a scope strapped to my face.
This remedy totally wiped out my infestation inside of one week. Haven't seen any bugs since. The damage they caused is still visible but no new damage and no new crawlers.

Amazon.com

Then after the grow treat that wood with dormant oil or mineral oil and let it dry which is my next step after harvest.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Ha still works

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let the bidding begin!!!

would you happen to have a ph or ec sensor for that? i guess i should ask first, is t possible to add a ph and ec sensor to that to have all three? temp isn't as important to me i already have control and a display for that.

IDK if you might be dealing with a bit more of a super mite than me but what I've dealt with are ez to wipe out but they will persist if the eggs are not dealt with.

A couple days after setting off my pyrethrin bomb I followed up with Jungle Rain spraying it on both sides of the leaves.
I actually cut Jungle Rain about 75%JR and 25% with water to make it go further and new growth can be sensitive to it so I dilute it.
Spray until the plant is saturated and the JR is running off the leaves.
Let the JR dry, takes maybe an hour or so, then follow up with a spray down of clean water.

JR is a blend of oils and soap. Mainly castile soap which is pretty much olive oil, then there's vegetable oil, and citrus oils in there.
When these soaps and oils coat the eggs and dries it pretty much suffocates the eggs.
The eggs dry up and begin to break apart so a few days after the washing you'll see busted up eggs underneath infested leaves but no new mites roaming around. I use a gnarly pair of reading glasses to see this since I hate scopes and loops and 2.50 readers are like having a scope strapped to my face.
This remedy totally wiped out my infestation inside of one week. Haven't seen any bugs since. The damage they caused is still visible but no new damage and no new crawlers.

Amazon.com

Then after the grow treat that wood with dormant oil or mineral oil and let it dry which is my next step after harvest.

thanks man, i think i just have two spotted ones. i'll try to get a photo if i see any more. my last inspection a couple days ago i only saw two eggs and i smooshed em.. i had some capt jacks on the shelf from years ago and decided to give it a try. i sprayed, waited three days and sprayed again yesterday. i have a pyrethrin bomb on the shelf waiting.. i won't go broke buying a $20 bottle of jungle rain so i'll introduce it on thursday. thanks for the strength and application tips!!!! (been trying to find an animated pair of tighty whities emoji, but sadly no luck!) haha

 

[moe.red]

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