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I love this place. Someone needs to do a "thanks logic" thread and just thank him for being such a douche and for getting this place started HAHA
 
GrumpAzz said:
If it were me I'd bump it up, per Anthem's advice. But I could easily be wrong. He told me that if they're drooping a little before lights out, they've had enough light. Flat is good but could still be close to too much. Perked up like that, I would give them more, especially with how even the bigger fans are reaching for it. I'm only learning, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

I've also seen people say something like "praying" and correlating that to a happy plant.

What say you, @Anthem275?
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im quoting @Aqua Man

hes once said paraphrasing, "that its actually trying to reduce its surface area, as in too much light"

i thought they'd droop away and down, which would actually reduce the surface area on the light.

maybe something got mixed/reversed/confused.



alot of information, right or wrong is from the other place, and i cant even find some comments on their anymore.



but heres some more discussion on it.
www.thcfarmer.com

Praying leaves reaching for light doesn’t make sense

Seems like almost everybody thinks leaves pointing up at a 45 degree angle means they want more light and are “reaching for it”. Wouldn’t the leaves pointing up be getting 1/2 the light leave that are perpendicular to ithe light would get? Could it be a sign of the plant trying to transpire more...
www.thcfarmer.com www.thcfarmer.com


im getting mixed results on this.


i could take some of the flowering plants i have now that are perking up similarly, and reduce the PPFD some and see what they do.
 
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GrumpAzz said:
I love this place. Someone needs to do a "thanks logic" thread and just thank him for being such a douche and for getting this place started HAHA
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The Smell of Panic at The Farm - Hello Logic

Welcome LOGIC! We at Bud Builders welcome you and we want you to know we smell your panic. This purge from The Farm is not like the ones you have initiated in the past, is it? Something different about this one eh? Whether you realize it or not, it's not actually a purge on your part as much...
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GoodShit97 said:
Yeah i would love to get a Gavita or the Scynce Raging Kush 2, but the price tags are way out of my league.
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I picked up my Raging Kush for $995 refurbished. I talked to the company before purchase and these lights were basically shipping damaged, repaired and could not be sold as new. I was looking and those are no longer available. I'm seeing a big difference in this light over the Spider Farmer SE3000. Compare the grow I just harvested with the one under the Raging Kush that will finish in about 4 more weeks. So far, the difference is striking and these flowers have a long way to go still. We'll all know more in about a month.
 
SweetLeafGrow said:

The Smell of Panic at The Farm - Hello Logic

Welcome LOGIC! We at Bud Builders welcome you and we want you to know we smell your panic. This purge from The Farm is not like the ones you have initiated in the past, is it? Something different about this one eh? Whether you realize it or not, it's not actually a purge on your part as much...
budbuilders.org budbuilders.org


I picked up my Raging Kush for $995 refurbished. I talked to the company before purchase and these lights were basically shipping damaged, repaired and could not be sold as new. I was looking and those are no longer available. I'm seeing a big difference in this light over the Spider Farmer SE3000. Compare the grow I just harvested with the one under the Raging Kush that will finish in about 4 more weeks. So far, the difference is striking and these flowers have a long way to go still. We'll all know more in about a month.
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Not surprising.

And I'd hope it would be better for $600 more (seeing SE3000 now for $300 range) lol

I was very impressed with Scynce.

I recently saw the new AC LEDs (bar array)they look good, but does not have the spectrum tuning feature.

Does the raging Kush?

I know one of the Scynce LEDs do
 
Observer said:
Not surprising.

And I'd hope it would be better for $600 more (seeing SE3000 now for $300 range) lol

I was very impressed with Scynce.

I recently saw the new AC LEDs (bar array)they look good, but does not have the spectrum tuning feature.

Does the raging Kush?

I know one of the Scynce LEDs do
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And Moe has fuckin 6 or so of em lol
 
Observer said:
Not surprising.

And I'd hope it would be better for $600 more (seeing SE3000 now for $300 range) lol

I was very impressed with Scynce.

I recently saw the new AC LEDs (bar array)they look good, but does not have the spectrum tuning feature.

Does the raging Kush?

I know one of the Scynce LEDs do
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It also covers a 5x5 which the SE3000 is only good for a 3x3 and has full spectrum adjustment.
 
Dude, check out the node spacing on the two grow of mine, the one I just harvested, and the one in the 5x5. Same strain from the same mother, very similar conditions in the same room but different light. I cranked up the red and far red during early flower and I think that is what got the nodes so tight.

And yes, they have those lens's that help dispurse the light better. They have a lot of work to do on the app that runs the light, but the light itself is great.
 
SweetLeafGrow said:
Dude, check out the node spacing on the two grow of mine, the one I just harvested, and the one in the 5x5. Same strain from the same mother, very similar conditions in the same room but different light. I cranked up the red and far red during early flower and I think that is what got the nodes so tight.

And yes, they have those lens's that help dispurse the light better. They have a lot of work to do on the app that runs the light, but the light itself is great.
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Interesting, because everything I know about red is it also contributes to cell elongation, as In taller/"stretchier" plants, blue keeps them shorter more compact.

Sweet though I'll have to scroll back up through
 
Observer said:
Interesting, because everything I know about red is it also contributes to cell elongation, as I'm taller/"stretchier" plants, blue keeps them shorter more compact.

Sweet though I'll have to scroll back up through
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I might have gotten it backwards. Either way, the flowering app for the kush raised that red to 80%. I just bumped it up to 100% a couple of weeks in. I'm still learning that stuff too and not had a lot of time to spend on it.
 
Observer said:
i thought they'd droop away and down, which would actually reduce the surface area on the light.
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Actually, makes sense if they are down, they would catch more photons that are falling down, compared to if they are up and slanted they'd catch less, but a rain gutter will show otherwise (?)


?????
 
SweetLeafGrow said:
I might have gotten it backwards. Either way, the flowering app for the kush raised that red to 80%. I just bumped it up to 100% a couple of weeks in. I'm still learning that stuff too and not had a lot of time to spend on it.
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Ah then I'd say the extra intensity is what kept them from stretching because they were happy where they were at.
 
Observer said:
but heres some more discussion on it.
www.thcfarmer.com

Praying leaves reaching for light doesn’t make sense

Seems like almost everybody thinks leaves pointing up at a 45 degree angle means they want more light and are “reaching for it”. Wouldn’t the leaves pointing up be getting 1/2 the light leave that are perpendicular to ithe light would get? Could it be a sign of the plant trying to transpire more...
www.thcfarmer.com www.thcfarmer.com
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There's gonna be a lot of us that can't open that link 🤣
 
SweetLeafGrow said:

The Smell of Panic at The Farm - Hello Logic

Welcome LOGIC! We at Bud Builders welcome you and we want you to know we smell your panic. This purge from The Farm is not like the ones you have initiated in the past, is it? Something different about this one eh? Whether you realize it or not, it's not actually a purge on your part as much...
budbuilders.org budbuilders.org


I picked up my Raging Kush for $995 refurbished. I talked to the company before purchase and these lights were basically shipping damaged, repaired and could not be sold as new. I was looking and those are no longer available. I'm seeing a big difference in this light over the Spider Farmer SE3000. Compare the grow I just harvested with the one under the Raging Kush that will finish in about 4 more weeks. So far, the difference is striking and these flowers have a long way to go still. We'll all know more in about a month.
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Yeah I'd need a damn bank loan to buy something like that. Full retail is more than i make in a month lmfao.
Hence why i was in the sponsorship with ViparSpectra cause im a poor SOB lmao
 
There are less expensive options if you want to dip into spectrum control. Bought a CLW SS500 and controller for about $600 when they were on sale. Seen significant results already and I'm very much a fat-fingered noob w it. It's a beast little package w an fairly attainable entry price for spectrum fuckery imo.
 
Cool_Beans said:
There are less expensive options if you want to dip into spectrum control. Bought a CLW SS500 and controller for about $600 when they were on sale. Seen significant results already and I'm very much a fat-fingered noob w it. It's a beast little package w an fairly attainable entry price for spectrum fuckery imo.
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Yeah definitely have plenty of options, it's just my budget is it small lmao.
 
Cool_Beans said:
There are less expensive options if you want to dip into spectrum control. Bought a CLW SS500 and controller for about $600 when they were on sale. Seen significant results already and I'm very much a fat-fingered noob w it. It's a beast little package w an fairly attainable entry price for spectrum fuckery imo.
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I'll check it out
 
My feeling on spectrum control is that it is the next most important variable once you have a dialed in grow and process. Adding it to a mess is not going to help.

More important than CO2. Less important than environmental control.

Also, it is better if you run this in a growspace where you are monocropping. If you have a sativa next to an indica, they need different spectrums so that can be a problem.

Supplemental lighting can help, especially when outside of the standard PAR range (uv and far red) and those do not have huge PPFD needs to initiate plant hormonal responses. But if you are trying to change plant morphology in the PAR range, you need a lot more PPFD out of those lights. Most have minimal PPFD in the variable color ranges.

And Green is a good thing in Veg. It stimulates photosynthesis deeper in the tissue. But it needs to come out in flower, as it has been shown to limit THC if you run it thru flower.

Of course, this is all just my working position, and this is all subject to change as I continue to test and learn.
 
Moe.Red said:
My feeling on spectrum control is that it is the next most important variable once you have a dialed in grow and process. Adding it to a mess is not going to help.

More important than CO2. Less important than environmental control.

Also, it is better if you run this in a growspace where you are monocropping. If you have a sativa next to an indica, they need different spectrums so that can be a problem.

Supplemental lighting can help, especially when outside of the standard PAR range (uv and far red) and those do not have huge PPFD needs to initiate plant hormonal responses. But if you are trying to change plant morphology in the PAR range, you need a lot more PPFD out of those lights. Most have minimal PPFD in the variable color ranges.

And Green is a good thing in Veg. It stimulates photosynthesis deeper in the tissue. But it needs to come out in flower, as it has been shown to limit THC if you run it thru flower.

Of course, this is all just my working position, and this is all subject to change as I continue to test and learn.
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Spectrum tuning is definitely something im interesting in playing around with and learning more about.
 
Moe.Red said:
My feeling on spectrum control is that it is the next most important variable once you have a dialed in grow and process. Adding it to a mess is not going to help.

More important than CO2. Less important than environmental control.

Also, it is better if you run this in a growspace where you are monocropping. If you have a sativa next to an indica, they need different spectrums so that can be a problem.

Supplemental lighting can help, especially when outside of the standard PAR range (uv and far red) and those do not have huge PPFD needs to initiate plant hormonal responses. But if you are trying to change plant morphology in the PAR range, you need a lot more PPFD out of those lights. Most have minimal PPFD in the variable color ranges.

And Green is a good thing in Veg. It stimulates photosynthesis deeper in the tissue. But it needs to come out in flower, as it has been shown to limit THC if you run it thru flower.

Of course, this is all just my working position, and this is all subject to change as I continue to test and learn.
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Right on
 
Went camping Sunday til Tuesday and forgot about my Mendels Aether x GDP seed plant in my 2x2. I came home and ot was dead.... i decided to pluck a couple bracts open and this is what i found 🤩🤩🤩20230824_172637.jpg
So the pollination was a success and i managed to not kill it until most of the seeds were finished.
 
SweetLeafGrow said:
Ask me how I know this is true :rolleyes:
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Cool_Beans said:
Dude I torched fans in the center of my canopy pretty good, too much red(I suspect) and didnt check ppfd during/after stretch. What got me is it doesnt look nearly as bright as it measures when running red dominant. I am noob.
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This is the CLW fixture right? Spectrum control?

We need to start a spectrum control thread to share our results. Seems like they are a thing now.
 
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