Stoney & The Shine RDWC SCROG

[Observer]

the cabinet leeching anything?

 

[Stoneyluv]

Haha


Wonder how much power it'll need for a laser to cut through.

man i'd run a dedicated 220 line for it if it could cut the leaves for me!!!!! haha

Stoney Man.. what the hell!?

This is starting to drive me nuts. I can't imagine what you're going through. If that soil plant wasn't acting up, I'd still be assuming that caulk under your lids is the issue, but that's not the case.

The dark side cabinet.. is it watered from the same rain barrel? I'm guessing so, eh?

I can't come up with any other possible contamination. Surely it's not the lights, right? That seems wild considering you've used that one light for so long and you haven't strayed from your tried-and-true spectrums. I have no idea what gen my light is but it hasn't caused me issues. Definitely not something like what you have going on, anyway.

I hate this for you, man. Hopefully these guys aren't pulling the same stunt and they're just being finicky. I guess we'll know in the next few days, eh?

been driving me crazy for months now man...

yeah same water.. i have a 225 gal tote outside under the gutter and a 55gal in the basement, up till now the barrel was the only one that had an airstone but due to racking my brain i've since got a solar air pump on the outside tote as well. put it on a few weeks ago after i started this round.

one light i've used for a few years now and the other Bandit has used for a few years with no problems. i hd this issue before i added the second light from Bandit. they are different though, different diodes, different lights...

Grump which one of these does your diodes look more like? what year is stamped on your light? my left one is a 2020 and the right is a 2018



i'm not apposed to put in an older hid to confirm this just thought maybe i was really reaching because both are tried and true..

Wait wtf you are still dealing with this?

I gotta go back and read some. I do my best thinking in the shower. And while taking a dump. For you, I will poop in the shower.

yes sir, i'm still a hot mess. ph is still diving .1-.2 everyday and not like before either, this steady drops all the time not like waiting 16 hours before its a steady decline, bubbles are at a bare minimum and it's not fixing it this time. it held rock steady for twelve days then started to drop everyday. i add 1ml of down once a day to keep it at 5.8

the curling and burning seems to be still happening. its tough to tell as it takes three weeks to show and i'm at 13 days right now, i expect curling and burning to start tonight.

i've tried so much and so many different theories that i thought it could be and always seem to find evidence of an issue but none have been thee issue.. i thought for sure it was the dampening off. before that i felt it was poisoning, before that it was something else and so on..

i feel i'm running in circles, the fact that its happening to soil plants is just got me even more confused, and why not the one four inches away from the other??

Doesn't matter what I eat, always like I ate taco bell in the bathroom lol

At least the pain from Crohn's for me is almost zero the last few years, but man them bathroom visits... Just glad when I make it there lol

oh man, i didn't know you dealt with that man.. i've had some intestine issues in the past and they're not fun!!

the cabinet leeching anything?

at one time i thought maybe from all the mite sprays and bombs i used, but i've cleaned so well and even tried growing with the doors wide open and still has issues. and on top of that my exhaust fan is in the other cabinet and draws the air through the white into the black before it goes outside, they even share a common wall and have open vents between the two. panda film for them came from the same roll. same lung room... the exhaust has been running about every 20 minutes. my grow has fresher air than my house gets right now.

close up pics from right now... ( the soil plants are eight days older than the hydros)








i pulled some power out last night but this was all in desperation and probably means nothing... all turning down the light does is just slows the problem, it's not the problem. if it was the lights why doesn't it cause problems earlier when the plant is young and frail,, been under the 30-30-30 since they were seeds, now all of the sudden they have a problem with the lights, i'm not buying it, that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.

 

[Observer]

man i'd run a dedicated 220 line for it if it could cut the leaves for me!!!!! haha



been driving me crazy for months now man...

yeah same water.. i have a 225 gal tote outside under the gutter and a 55gal in the basement, up till now the barrel was the only one that had an airstone but due to racking my brain i've since got a solar air pump on the outside tote as well. put it on a few weeks ago after i started this round.

one light i've used for a few years now and the other Bandit has used for a few years with no problems. i hd this issue before i added the second light from Bandit. they are different though, different diodes, different lights...

Grump which one of these does your diodes look more like? what year is stamped on your light? my left one is a 2020 and the right is a 2018

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i'm not apposed to put in an older hid to confirm this just thought maybe i was really reaching because both are tried and true..

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yes sir, i'm still a hot mess. ph is still diving .1-.2 everyday and not like before either, this steady drops all the time not like waiting 16 hours before its a steady decline, bubbles are at a bare minimum and it's not fixing it this time. it held rock steady for twelve days then started to drop everyday. i add 1ml of down once a day to keep it at 5.8

the curling and burning seems to be still happening. its tough to tell as it takes three weeks to show and i'm at 13 days right now, i expect curling and burning to start tonight.

i've tried so much and so many different theories that i thought it could be and always seem to find evidence of an issue but none have been thee issue.. i thought for sure it was the dampening off. before that i felt it was poisoning, before that it was something else and so on..

i feel i'm running in circles, the fact that its happening to soil plants is just got me even more confused, and why not the one four inches away from the other??



oh man, i didn't know you dealt with that man.. i've had some intestine issues in the past and they're not fun!!



at one time i thought maybe from all the mite sprays and bombs i used, but i've cleaned so well and even tried growing with the doors wide open and still has issues. and on top of that my exhaust fan is in the other cabinet and draws the air through the white into the black before it goes outside, they even share a common wall and have open vents between the two. panda film for them came from the same roll. same lung room... the exhaust has been running about every 20 minutes. my grow has fresher air than my house gets right now.

close up pics from right now... ( the soil plants are eight days older than the hydros)

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i pulled some power out last night but this was all in desperation and probably means nothing... all turning down the light does is just slows the problem, it's not the problem. if it was the lights why doesn't it cause problems earlier when the plant is young and frail,, been under the 30-30-30 since they were seeds, now all of the sudden they have a problem with the lights, i'm not buying it, that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.

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Man what the fuck?

 

[moe.red]

Ok we are getting into twilight zone kinda weird. It’s not supposed to be this hard to grow a weed.

Do you have any micronized sulfur?

In my very humble opinion this has nothing to do with the color of the photons hitting the plants.

Today was my last day. Been super busy with the transition getting out of there. I’m still going to consult a little but tomorrow is the first day since I was 12 I’m not waking up employed. I’m thinking tomorrow’s shit shower shave shine is gonna be my best thinking ever. At least I have plenty of reading material ^^^

Needs cal mag btw.

 

[Bandit420]

man i'd run a dedicated 220 line for it if it could cut the leaves for me!!!!! haha



been driving me crazy for months now man...

yeah same water.. i have a 225 gal tote outside under the gutter and a 55gal in the basement, up till now the barrel was the only one that had an airstone but due to racking my brain i've since got a solar air pump on the outside tote as well. put it on a few weeks ago after i started this round.

one light i've used for a few years now and the other Bandit has used for a few years with no problems. i hd this issue before i added the second light from Bandit. they are different though, different diodes, different lights...

Grump which one of these does your diodes look more like? what year is stamped on your light? my left one is a 2020 and the right is a 2018

View attachment 102564

i'm not apposed to put in an older hid to confirm this just thought maybe i was really reaching because both are tried and true..

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yes sir, i'm still a hot mess. ph is still diving .1-.2 everyday and not like before either, this steady drops all the time not like waiting 16 hours before its a steady decline, bubbles are at a bare minimum and it's not fixing it this time. it held rock steady for twelve days then started to drop everyday. i add 1ml of down once a day to keep it at 5.8

the curling and burning seems to be still happening. its tough to tell as it takes three weeks to show and i'm at 13 days right now, i expect curling and burning to start tonight.

i've tried so much and so many different theories that i thought it could be and always seem to find evidence of an issue but none have been thee issue.. i thought for sure it was the dampening off. before that i felt it was poisoning, before that it was something else and so on..

i feel i'm running in circles, the fact that its happening to soil plants is just got me even more confused, and why not the one four inches away from the other??

Sounds like ill water chemistry to me. Same water thru all of these issues even though the lights and just about everything else has changed but the issue remains? That's 100% bad water chemistry + the plants are showing they hate what ever is burning up the roots.
Something already in the water is not agreeing with something you add in there. Probably can't be measured in TDS either. Microbial maybe.

I'd start with the water and filter it, RO it if you have to. At minimum sediment and carbon and maybe even deionize it.
Personally, I'd jump straight to RO because of personal experience with this sort of stuff in hydro. Nothing worse than mystery shit in water keeping you running in circles and chasing ghosts

 

[Stoneyluv]

@moe.red , i meant to say above my

Man what the fuck?

i agree whole heartedly!!

Ok we are getting into twilight zone kinda weird. It’s not supposed to be this hard to grow a weed.

Do you have any micronized sulfur?

In my very humble opinion this has nothing to do with the color of the photons hitting the plants.

Today was my last day. Been super busy with the transition getting out of there. I’m still going to consult a little but tomorrow is the first day since I was 12 I’m not waking up employed. I’m thinking tomorrow’s shit shower shave shine is gonna be my best thinking ever. At least I have plenty of reading material ^^^

Needs cal mag btw.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats freakin awesome man!!!!! got any plans for the first celebration? takin the wife away for a little? catching up on projects?

and yes, i do own some sulfur powder, i use it late in flower for flavor. never put it in hydro tough.

and sorry i messed up above when i said i'm putting down in eveyday.. i am adding 1ml of UP everyday. ph drops to 5.7 in 24 hours and i raise it to 5.8.

 

[Observer]

@moe.red , i meant to say above my


i agree whole heartedly!!



YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats freakin awesome man!!!!! got any plans for the first celebration? takin the wife away for a little? catching up on projects?

and yes, i do own some sulfur powder, i use it late in flower for flavor. never put it in hydro tough.

and sorry i messed up above when i said i'm putting down in eveyday.. i am adding 1ml of UP everyday. ph drops to 5.7 in 24 hours and i raise it to 5.8.

Using rain water?

 

[moe.red]

@moe.red , i meant to say above my


i agree whole heartedly!!



YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats freakin awesome man!!!!! got any plans for the first celebration? takin the wife away for a little? catching up on projects?

and yes, i do own some sulfur powder, i use it late in flower for flavor. never put it in hydro tough.

and sorry i messed up above when i said i'm putting down in eveyday.. i am adding 1ml of UP everyday. ph drops to 5.7 in 24 hours and i raise it to 5.8.

Plans include cleaning the garage. I’m a lotta laughs.

Would you mind sprinkling a little sulfur around the stem and leaves of one of the affected plants? Powder the top of the substrate a bit? Lights out time if possible. Don’t make it look like a powdered donut but get it up in there.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Using rain water?

yes sir, been zero ppms mostly but used to read 9ppms. since using it more often now it lowered to zero. been using it a while now, more than five years anyway.

Plans include cleaning the garage. I’m a lotta laughs.

sweet man, that sounds like the perfect first project, n time line, just get it done when it's done and work on when ya feel like!!!

Would you mind sprinkling a little sulfur around the stem and leaves of one of the affected plants? Powder the top of the substrate a bit? Lights out time if possible. Don’t make it look like a powdered donut but get it up in there.

i'll put it on the two left side plants first thing in the morning when the lights go out.

another thing to add, it seems like when these plants go south there is no bringing them back. the one that was in the system the longest i put outside a week ago or more and since then the curls have gotten worse, we haven't had nice weather at all but the curl is even more amplified outside... and the lower growth seems to never recover and never grows once that node burns either.

 

[ninjadip]

Ok we are getting into twilight zone kinda weird. It’s not supposed to be this hard to grow a weed.

Do you have any micronized sulfur?

In my very humble opinion this has nothing to do with the color of the photons hitting the plants.

Today was my last day. Been super busy with the transition getting out of there. I’m still going to consult a little but tomorrow is the first day since I was 12 I’m not waking up employed. I’m thinking tomorrow’s shit shower shave shine is gonna be my best thinking ever. At least I have plenty of reading material ^^^

Needs cal mag btw.

It's that time? Retirement??
That's awesome

 

[GrumpAzz]

Grump which one of these does your diodes look more like? what year is stamped on your light? my left one is a 2020 and the right is a 2018

Well.. call me crazy, but I'm not seeing a date on it anywhere. I bought it from CLW last summer. Diodes look similar to the ones in the left picture.

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Dude..

Your outside plant


My Power Plant failure from last year.


Eerily similar man... but I can't help because the problem didn’t persist into the next grow.

Contaminated Hydroton??

 

[Stoneyluv]

Sounds like ill water chemistry to me. Same water thru all of these issues even though the lights and just about everything else has changed but the issue remains? That's 100% bad water chemistry + the plants are showing they hate what ever is burning up the roots.
Something already in the water is not agreeing with something you add in there. Probably can't be measured in TDS either. Microbial maybe.

I'd start with the water and filter it, RO it if you have to. At minimum sediment and carbon and maybe even deionize it.
Personally, I'd jump straight to RO because of personal experience with this sort of stuff in hydro. Nothing worse than mystery shit in water keeping you running in circles and chasing ghosts

i never have tried other water. i could always just try my tap water, from my well. it's a little hard but it might be worth a test.. i don't have an RO filter.

this is the first time it's happened in soil.. i've been using all the same water to water all my plants, even the ones in flowering right now.

Well.. call me crazy, but I'm not seeing a date on it anywhere. I bought it from CLW last summer. Diodes look similar to the ones in the left picture.

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Dude..

Your outside plant
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My Power Plant failure from last year.
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Eerily similar man... but I can't help because the problem didn’t persist into the next grow.

Contaminated Hydroton??

man that does look similar, even has some of the edge curl. even starts on your third set down too..

i'm not saying it can't be the hydroten but i did wash it all very well just before this round of reusing it.

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the date should be just next to the comm ports. this is what the older and the newer date stamps look like...

 

[GrumpAzz]

Found it.. I must've been high